Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?

[Phen0m]

It's not an apples to apples(pun lol) comparison.. i wouldn't say Windows sucks, more so i'd say that the iPhone hardware is leaps and bounds better than anything readily available today. We're hamstrung by the fact that no vendors wants to develop WinMo on an advanced platform(before the HD2).

If the iPhone ran on a Qualcomm MSM7200 the Apple community would be just as despondent as ours.

[jaworthen]

Not certain if you have ever tried a Pre, but you ought to before you make your decision. I have and found it laggy, and that is well-documented on various web sites as well (recent updates helped but have not fully eliminated the problem). Also, as to those who say the stock ROM is faster or of higher quality due to testing: how could Sprint release a ROM which reverted back to the home screen during every call? Obviously their testing was not fully conducted with real users using phones in real-life situations. One of my coworkers complained to me about his stock ROM (we have several hundred sprint phones where I work, so we know the carrier and the WinMo platform). I moved him to a custom ROM and he has never complained since. Try a custom ROM tweaked in the way that HTC and Sprint could have tweaked theirs (MalROM), and you will find the speed to be much, much faster thatn the stock ROM. Everyone has an opinion on these things; these are mine based on experience. I do feel frustration that Microsoft just doesn't "get it" when it comes to mobile platforms, but all things considered, the core of WinMo is not the problem - it's the lack of a friendly user interface. This is changing; hopefully it will be fast enough to keep too many users from jumping ship.

[otterit]

Originally Posted by jaworthen

...how could Sprint release a ROM which reverted back to the home screen during every call? .

I believe I started the first thread about this issue and I am normally one of the first people to bash a company for not doing proper QA testing, but this "bug" could have been missed by almost anyone. It is impossible for a QA team to simulate EVERY possible working situation for the phone.

My guess are the folks at Sprint never tested the phone against the ear with screen lock enabled. Is it annoying the screen reverts back to the home page? Yes. Is it a deal breaker? No.

The TP2 is still the most business ready phone on the market.

[p-slim]

the op of this thread is retarted. he created another thread about stuff we already know. we know inmo is slow with opening programs but you get a phone that can do everything. we can easily create a thread with whats wrong with the iphone and that list will get extremely long, as a matter of fact there are multiple threads in this forum alone that proves this. the op is just looking for a fight and you guys all got baited in. this is just going to turn into another iphone vs tp2 thread.

[Noir]

I'll tell you something. I've tried all of the mobile oses (from bbos to mac osx for iphone, pam pre webos and android both being ported on wm and on an actual device)

that being said windows mobile still wins a lot. Now I do get bored with customization granted, but all of them do. none are nearly as polished as windows mobile nor the development either.

I'll keep it short and simple and say the grass is not always greener on the other side

[rorytmeadows]

Ugh, just leave. What is the point of complaining about a phone in the phone's forum? Go and get another phone and be happy with something else. There is no point in talking about it here.

Also, Windows Mobile is truly the only real mini version of a computer. And just like a computer, they can be slow to respond at times, etc etc. Some of the problems you describe aren't Windows Mobile but may actually be the programs and ROM you have installed.

[Sim-X]

Originally Posted by p-slim

the op of this thread is retarted. he created another thread about stuff we already know. we know inmo is slow with opening programs but you get a phone that can do everything. we can easily create a thread with whats wrong with the iphone and that list will get extremely long, as a matter of fact there are multiple threads in this forum alone that proves this. the op is just looking for a fight and you guys all got baited in. this is just going to turn into another iphone vs tp2 thread.

I just wanted some opinions, I'm not promoting the iphone I just think it's fast. I suggest you go back to fourth grade and take a spelling test. If your gonna insult something, you might wanna run a spell check before posting.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by Sim-X

I just wanted some opinions, I'm not promoting the iphone I just think it's fast. I suggest you go back to fourth grade and take a spelling test. If your gonna insult something, you might wanna run a spell check before posting.

if you just wanted opinions then do a search thats what its there for. what you thought this was going to be the 1st time someone compared the iphone to the tp2? or is your question somehow different even though its the same question. if i cant spell at least i can complete a simple search

[Mutiny32]

Well, yes and no to the original question. First the no part:

Windows Mobile was just about the best mobile OS out there for a very long time. Their advantage in being on the mobile scene precedes the smartphone. They designed it to compete with the Palm Pilot and did very well because of the natural relationship with desktop Windows. They also got the PC makers behind them to design, build, and market devices based on PPC/Windows Mobile.
Then along came the idea of putting a cellular radio into these devices. So they modified it to be able to handle cellular connections and calls. At the same time, they were tacking WiFi stacks onto the OS as well. This was still back when WiFi was still a novelty and the implentation was still a mess.
Then came high-speed cellular. Another tack-on. Then innovation in CPU, graphics, UI design, competition, rotating desktops, multitouch, and finally, Open Source. Of course, through all of this, the OS was just repeatedly modified to be able to handle all of this. They have proverbially been "polishing a turd" since WinCE2003/5.0. They have done a surprisingly well job of at least keeping their head above the water. It started out as the best thing out there, but similarly to Palm, they didn't innovate or do a major redesign; putting them in a big hole.

The yes:

Yes, it does suck. Now. Because of negligence, they have put Windows Mobile in a big hole. It is extremely inefficient, a jungle of code, outmoded models, a base UI that is bad, drivers that really suck, layers of interfaces stacked on more layers of interfaces, and third-party UIs that stack on top of their own UI. They have updated some of the core components in 6.5x, but the base problem exists; an ancient core platform. I would compare it to GM putting a L05 TBI engine in a 2010 Z06.Then the UI is a LSx squeezed into a Fiero with a Ferrari body kit.

Windows Phone 7 may solve some of these problems with a whole new codebase, but they are still going to have to be more open, both with their APIs and their OS itself to be able to compete with the likes of Android, Maemo, WebOS, and Symbian.

[orlandojumpoff]

i think you're just realizing you're not a WinMo guy. We, on the other hand, probably know a thing or two more than you about customizing and tweaking that make our phones just a bit better than yours

Good luck with the pre, that fad seemed to have died quickly...