Is it just me or does WM just plain suck?

[malibu_23]

Originally Posted by Sim-X

Don't install 3rd party aps? Come on really?

LMAO I dont mean dont install 3rd party apps, my point was to expect some performance changes when you have alot intalled. LOL. believe me, 3rd party apps are wut set WM apart from other OS's.

[Noir]

Don't install 3rd party aps? Come on really?

the poster has a good point. Any third party application runs the risk of using resources less ineffectively.

Also what you guys fail to realize about the panoply of OSes (except for winmo and android) is that they are specifically made for that specific device or what the manufacturer comes out. You won't see HTC have an iphone os or you won't see webos on iphone either. As what the previous poster stated, form fit function.

The big issue with windows mobile is not the OS fully. don't get me wrong the code is jumbled in many places, but the issues with windows mobile is third party efficiency - specifically htc not necessarily utilizing proper 3d drivers and using what it has to full effect. The time and tried tradition of balance isn't working against more powerful handsets. And even the HD2, with a snapdragon processor, is underperformed in comparison to its Acer counterpart.

There is a lot you can blame windows on yes. But you forget there is so much that can be blamed on the OEM manufacturers for also not keeping up with the times to manage less expensive costs.

Secondly, as I have repeatedly stated, IMHO the grass is not greener on the other side at all. I am coming from a samsung i730, xv6600, xv6700 and every htc device verizon had on its current roster as well as trying iphone, bbos (in the tour and the storm, the latter being god awful and just didn't fulfill full customization), the palm pre, and finally android (on the xv6900 and on the g1 phone). All the phones I have used, I go back to windows mobile because there is so much development for htc (as well as samsung) devices, and that's not going to change anytime soon. With other OSes, 80% of any support is fluffy fanboys that don't really help but instigate issues. And that's awfully inefficient.

As for your comment about what's running in the background, a good example of a good iphone chug is when you exit silent hill. It gets so bad I have to reset the iphone and restart it. And that's a bad chug. Or the 3gS screen lag and a few other things...

Once more...the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence. Every phone has every single problem that you mentioned. Even the cradle of android has these problems...and they always will...

[newone757]

IMO yes Wm kinda sucks. But there isnt anything out as flexible as it. Sure you could go for another OS with better eyecandy and simpler use but you lose a WORLD of function. Its a love hate relationship for me. Im aboout to jump ship soon though, cause all the extras WM phones can do i dont even use.

I dont watch tv on my phone, dont remote desktop, etc dont do half of the stuff that makes owning WM an advantage.
All i need is a phone,camera, text, email,web browser, little gps, and ability to run some 3rd party soft with a beautiful interface with smooth transitions.nothing more or less. Android is more for me

[Tim Smith]

Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

[garage_man]

Yes it does suck, but what no one understands it is not microsifts fault. It is HTC and other phone companies because they are the ones makeing the device. They keep adding more features that would be really nice...but they never add anymore power to their phones, so we never get to use it as it was ment to. My 3 year old phone has 400mhz and my shinny tp2 is 528, the even better part is that my old phone is faster. I have benchmarked many,many games, movies and apps. WM would be the single best O.S. out there, only if the phone companys could get their stuff together too. The HD2 is the first step torwad good usability. The problem is that as long as people are using qualcomm we will never get anywhere because they don't have to have drivers for their devices.

[kabuk1]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

THANK YOU.

This is my opinion as well. I just wonder- if some people hate WM so much, why not just GET SOMETHING ELSE instead of just bitching about it 24/7? It reminds me of the time back in the stone ages when I had a Sidekick. After a couple months the novelty wore off and I realized that, even with a dev key, the damn thing was way too limited. So what did I do? I got something else. The old ETF argument comes to mind, but with Craigslist & eBay & buy/sell/trade forums, you can easily get a new phone without having to spend a fortune. You may hate your phone, but I guarantee someone else would be more than happy to give it a good home so you can get something YOU like.

That said- I hated WM at first too. I didn't understand how it worked, and consequently I had a lot of problems with it. Most people are used to regular phones that you never have to reboot or perform any sort of maintenance on. A WM phone is basically a mini-computer(hence the term 'pocket pc'), and you must treat it as such. I don't think the problem lies solely with WM "sucking", but the fact that rather than figure out what is causing their problems, people just complain & hate the device. This is what separates geeks from proles. Geeks dig deeper, proles give up. Not trying to talk crap about anyone, but it's just the truth. That said, there ARE some improvements that could be made to WM. There's a lot of legacy code that's most likely been there since WM's inception that needs to be rewritten to work better with modern devices. The MAIN problem, like others have said, lies with the fact that there are hundreds of different devices out there & it's impossible for WM to run flawlessly on ALL of them. But I think it's doing pretty damn good, honestly.

OP- sell your phone & get something you like better. Thats the best advice I can give. Don't keep it if you can't stand it.

/Diatribe.

[Dragon2]

I love my Tp2, Nothing better out at this Point.. I also love winmo.... Its just you..

I agree with Kabuk1 also and thanks for that... Sell it, Shhhh and go in another forummm.. Good day..

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

Originally Posted by kabuk1

THANK YOU.

This is my opinion as well. I just wonder- if some people hate WM so much, why not just GET SOMETHING ELSE instead of just bitching about it 24/7? It reminds me of the time back in the stone ages when I had a Sidekick. After a couple months the novelty wore off and I realized that, even with a dev key, the damn thing was way too limited. So what did I do? I got something else. The old ETF argument comes to mind, but with Craigslist & eBay & buy/sell/trade forums, you can easily get a new phone without having to spend a fortune. You may hate your phone, but I guarantee someone else would be more than happy to give it a good home so you can get something YOU like.

That said- I hated WM at first too. I didn't understand how it worked, and consequently I had a lot of problems with it. Most people are used to regular phones that you never have to reboot or perform any sort of maintenance on. A WM phone is basically a mini-computer(hence the term 'pocket pc'), and you must treat it as such. I don't think the problem lies solely with WM "sucking", but the fact that rather than figure out what is causing their problems, people just complain & hate the device. This is what separates geeks from proles. Geeks dig deeper, proles give up. Not trying to talk crap about anyone, but it's just the truth. That said, there ARE some improvements that could be made to WM. There's a lot of legacy code that's most likely been there since WM's inception that needs to be rewritten to work better with modern devices. The MAIN problem, like others have said, lies with the fact that there are hundreds of different devices out there & it's impossible for WM to run flawlessly on ALL of them. But I think it's doing pretty damn good, honestly.

OP- sell your phone & get something you like better. Thats the best advice I can give. Don't keep it if you can't stand it.

/Diatribe.

+1 agreed

[bostonshaker]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

Some of you seem like incredibly miserable people. I've been using Windows Mobile since 5.x and have had very very few problems with it. No phone, no operating system has EVER had 100% satisfaction from it's customer base. You can't make everyone happy. At some points you have to sit and think...........maybe it's not Windows Mobile.... maybe it's you.

I echo this statement. I have tried them all and here I am with WinMo.

[WisdomWolfX]

I feel the need to point out that you compare an OS that has seen many many iterations (before it was even part of phones) and runs on a ton of devices to OS's that have seen fewer than three major revisions and are optimized to suck...errr run...on very specific hardware. Now, when you take that into account along with the numerous posts about how the hardware/drivers in HTC phones are unfortunately lacking you'll understand why we say the issues you have are not those of WM.

I like that you point out that you shouldn't need a lock screen for the text messages, and yet all the other phones have a lock screen as well. I have yet to see anything other than the TP2 unlock itself when light is present though.

If you really want to know why WM is amazing and how customizable it is then you should look into mortscript. You can automate damn near anything with a little elbow grease and an easy script. I'm still learning about it and I've already made my phone into a practical mifi clone since I can automate the starting of an app and various input selections as well as the opposite for closing the app, with a single button press.

The next closest competitor to WinMo is Android due to it's similar range of devices, but it still has a ways to go in order to catch up. There is simply nothing else with as many choices as WM. The choices may not all be in the official marketplace right now, but they are there if you are willing to look for them. Want a different browser? Take a look there are lots of choices from simple lightweight/quick browsers like opera mini to do-it-all browsers like skyfire. Want a different interface? There's choices for that too, TF3D you already know, but there's Titanium, Point UI, Mobile Shell, and more. How about a better alarm clock app that'll run in the background and auto-start (let's see your ipod do that)? SPB Time will take care of you. Wouldn't it be nice if your phone automatically switched to silent and turned off BT while you were at work and turned them back on at the end of your shift? Guess what? Not only is that possible on WinMo, but you have choices there too. You can pick from SPB PhoneSuite, SBSH Phoneweaver or G-Profile. That's all just off the top of my head.

In the famous words of Neo (gotta love a Matrix quote), "It's all about choice."