HTC Mogul Sprint ROM - GPS and REV. A New info!

[canospinach]

Originally Posted by Intermountain Trust

i see you are giving battery advice, I have not had time to respond to your lack of research until now.

Thanks, not sure why you believe i have a lack of information. But lets shed some light here on your info.

BTW - very good info.

All current battery technology has only so many "Cycles" of charge. As i posted which you misunderstood, not "Cycles" as per a memory effect, which is what your evidence is referring to, but each time you charge i am using the term cycle. I can understand why you read the posted info and take with it a different meaning.

There is no memory and no scheduled cycling is required to prolong the battery’s life

For example:

The internal resistance of the Li-ion batteries cannot be improved with cycling.

these are both clearly a statement in regards to memory effect. "Cycling" as i put it is something completely different and has zero to do with capacity. We are talking about overall lifespan here.

Repeated insertion into the charger or cradle does not affect the battery by inducing overcharge

Li-Ions cannot be overcharged due to the protection internally as i have stated. However repeated insertion will decline the overall lifespan of the battery due again to its finite amount of charges it will take. These are 2 totally different statements.

does not require periodic full discharge

True to keep its overall output. As i have stated this in referance to a "Memory Effect". Again this in no way referances the overall amount of times the battery can be charged.

The Li-ion is most economical for those who use a mobile phone daily. Up to 1000 charge/discharge cycles can be expected if used within the expected service life of about two to three years

Thank you, this summerizes my point exactly as for charging "Cycles". As you can clearly see here the author states the exact point we are discussing. I am not making this up, it simply comes from 20 years of technical wireless experience.

So far, little is known about the life expectancy of the Li-ion polymer. Because of the similarities with the Li-ion, the long-term performance of both systems is expected to be similar.

Li-ion and Li-ion Polymer are realy different in their behaviour even though they are both in the Li-ion family.

Simple Guidelines

• Charge the Li-ion often, except before a long storage. Avoid repeated deep discharges.

I have not heard this statement before. Is this in referance to Li-ion Polymer or regular Li-ion batteries? your quote cuts off and is unclear.

Thank you for validating my statement about charging cycles.

Originally Posted by Raging Idiot

I probably have my battery half discharged and then recharged about twice a day. I wonder if that's considered 2 cycles or just 1 "full" cycle.

Yes RI, this would be considered 2 cycles as you are plugging and unplugging 2 times.


EDIT - Users should feel free to discuss points of interest with me, however you as a user solely decide how you will approach me which sets the stage for our entire interaction. If a user comes to me with an attitude it will be a poor interaction. If a user comes to me with objectiveness and civility it will be a good interaction (and i may even find agreement in your point).

specifically where you constantly badgered an individual after their post challenging you on any level. this entry is a bit long for your benefit.

again, if a user is civil, decent and intelligent in their approach we will get along fine. Look closely to the posts you are referring to. Of course i ask for verification, just like in this situation a common misinterpretation is the root of all the discussion.

[soaknfused]

WOW, this thread has gotten so far off topic I don't know if there is any coming back.. Anyone want to at least try to stay on topic? I for one check in here looking for information about the upcoming update and lately I have wasted my time reading everything but information about that.... just my 2 cents

[schettj]

have not heard this statement before. Is this in referance to Li-ion Polymer or regular Li-ion batteries? your quote cuts off and is unclear.

It refers to all modern batteries without memory effects (NiMH, Li-ion, and Li-Poly)
Deep cycles literally destroy the substrate inside these batteries - you are killing them a little bit, each time, which is why they "lose capacity" with each (deep) cycle.

It's not exact, but you could think of a 1000 cycle battery as having 10.000 10% cycles.

And yeah, all this makes your Rev A faster, and your GPS more accurate.

Bottom line, charge early and often.

[canospinach]

Originally Posted by schettj

Deep cycles literally destroy the substrate inside these batteries

That makes perfect sense. That is along the lines of what i was theorizing as a reason.

[Pibe38]

How about we close this thread, leave it stuck so people can read it, and create a new one when the Rev. A & GPS ROM is released?

Why? Oh well... just because that was the topic of the thread

[pzztgotbagz]

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