Found: Official Sprint Website Confirms Mogul GPS!

[neilson]

Originally Posted by no2chem

sigh, OS/Hardware conflict issues? Can you please point me to which ones have to do with CE and how this has anything to do with aGPS?

Here is the bottom line:
Qualcomm releases chip which supposedly has full acceleration support for CE and all drivers written. We get these from HTC/Sprint. Microsoft has really nothing to do with these drivers. CDMA isn't "really" implemented by Microsoft at all, the implementation on the chip is by Qualcomm, and the drivers that control the hardware are by HTC/Qualcomm/Sprint.

If you want to see working aGPS, look at the tilt. It's clearly not an instability limitation, its a matter of accessing the data. And to tell you the truth, it's not like aGPS data is very complicated at all, its just a few strings that give you location encapuslated in a serial format.

Sprint and HTC have EVERYTHING TO DO with the mogul not having aGPS unlocked, and it's most likely Sprint that is responsible for it.

Then please explain this:

http://www.sprintmogul.net/Forum/tab...s/Default.aspx

That's not BS, because think about it. Alltel, Bell Mobility, and Telus all have the exact same phone, and Verizon will be having it soon too. Expect to see US Cellular come out with it soon too. If it wasn't because of phone instability issues(even worse then what we have seen with BT so far), then don't you think at least ONE of those carriers would have made the aGPS work on their P4000/XV6800/Mogul/Titan?

It's the Windows Mobile 6, and it's the CDMA, and it's the whole being the 1st phone to have WM6 on a technology that uses aGPS on all its phones. GSM is all about triangulation from towers, NOT aGPS. SiRF III chip is what's inside the Tilt, same sort of GPS as an external GPS would have. aGPS is a CDMA thing, and that's obviously created conflict issues with WM6 so far.

[no2chem]

Originally Posted by neilson

Then please explain this:

http://www.sprintmogul.net/Forum/tab...s/Default.aspx

That's not BS, because think about it. Alltel, Bell Mobility, and Telus all have the exact same phone, and Verizon will be having it soon too. Expect to see US Cellular come out with it soon too. If it wasn't because of phone instability issues(even worse then what we have seen with BT so far), then don't you think at least ONE of those carriers would have made the aGPS work on their P4000/XV6800/Mogul/Titan?

It's the Windows Mobile 6, and it's the CDMA, and it's the whole being the 1st phone to have WM6 on a technology that uses aGPS on all its phones. GSM is all about triangulation from towers, NOT aGPS. SiRF III chip is what's inside the Tilt, same sort of GPS as an external GPS would have. aGPS is a CDMA thing, and that's obviously created conflict issues with WM6 so far.

sigh....

First, aGPS IS NOT A CDMA THING. If you need sources, please search. Here is the first hit from google: http://www.globallocate.com/RESOURCE...%20Testing.pdf

Secondly, i'm very certain that the Tilt DOES NOT have a SiRF III chip. First of all, why the heck would you put a SiRF III chip when the MSM7200 has a built in GPSone processor??? http://www.cdmatech.com/download_lib...msm7200_cs.pdf . Second of all the MSM7200 does aGPS, and there is no reason to suspect HTC would have somehow tried to make the MSM7200 process GPS data only.

I'm not even going to try to debunk your other arguments about triangulation and cdma-phone-specific issues. IF you want an example of a stable wm6 cdma phone, look no further than the titan's predecessor, the apache.

please research before you contend or make arguments.... once again, GPS not enabled on CDMA devices is a ... CDMA carrier thing, if you know anything about CDMA carriers, they all have/want a very TIGHT lock on their system.

[TC1]

Originally Posted by neilson

Let's step back and think about it.

WM6 is new, and we tend to forget that the Mogul was the 1st WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) Phone that is CDMA and has aGPS. No other carrier has the aGPS activated yet on their WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) CDMA devices because the interactions between the aGPS and software are not stable enough. We whine about the Bluetooth issue legitly, but just think how much you would whine if the aGPS were activated for personal(as in non-e911) usage like Sprint Navigator/Telenav and had serious conflict issues with other parts of the phone?

Well, think of it this way as well. It does Sprint no good to not have aGPS activated on a phone that they no doubt would make a good bit of money off of from Sprint Navigator usage. It's just the OS/Hardware conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with the CDMA infrastructure and specifically the Qualcomm CPU in the Mogul. HTC and Sprint are working to fix the conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with aGPS, Rev. A, and Bluetooth and I have confidence that these will be taken care of.
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There are so many holes in your logic/theory, I don't know where to begin... but I'll make it brief.

In case you don't understand, a-GPS (assisted GPS) and e911 are one in the same. As per FCC rules, any phone allowed to work on U.S. airwaves as of today have to have functioning e911.

A-GPS uses the cell tower infrastructure to locate the phone. Every tower has a standalone GPS system on it, this allows every tower to know its own precise location. There are devices on the cellular network called Assistance Servers. These servers do almost ALL the computational work in locating a cell phone, they talk to every tower that has reception of a particular cell phone's signal. The Assistance Server queries the towers for their geo-location and how strong the cell signal is at that tower. That's all the info you need to start doing triangulation, hence a-GPS. Emergency service agencies (ie, 911) have access to those assistance servers, hence why they can locate you. It's up to the carriers if they want to allow the cell phone itself to have the same info and make it available to software applications running on the phone.

A-GPS not stable enough on the Mogul? Do this experiment: call your local police department and tell them you just got a new cell phone, you have no other way to contact emergency services, and you want to verify that e911 is working. They will tell you "no problem, call 911 but immediately tell the operator that this call is a test of e911 functionality." The operator should be able to locate your general position/address at that moment. If it doesn't work then I'm pretty sure all the Moguls would have to be pulled off the market immediately.

I think you're confusing a-GPS with standalone GPS, which has never been proven that the Mogul is capable of.

[darkomen]

Originally Posted by no2chem

If you want to see working aGPS, look at the tilt.

From what I understand the tilt has a regular gps chip not agps

[kilmarac]

Ok, I hate to be the guy that does this, but everyone whos naysaying GPS on the mogul... Two factors. 1) based on what I read in another thread, qualcomm is using a frequency modulation to utilize multiple tasks on single antenna. 2) We know the mogul uses the qualcomm 7500 chipset. Read the following, straight from qualcomm's website http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm...t_solution.jsp

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MSM7500 Chipset Solution

Technical Features

gpsOne® position-location assisted-GPS (A-GPS) solution

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QUALCOMM’s gpsOne® position-location technology enables highly accurate, widely available position-location technology to be deployed on mobile devices.

The gpsOne solution is fully integrated into QUALCOMM chipset solutions to provide wireless device manufacturers with the ability to offer gpsOne without the need for additional hardware or software.

Key Functionality

• Supports multiple modes of Assisted-GPS (A-GPS), which leverages GPS satellites and the cellular network for highly reliable positioning capabilities
• Supports Standalone-GPS, which expands the availability of positioning capabilities to areas where cellular networks are not accessible

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Sorry to all you naysayers, but Ill stick with the techspecs and wait for functionality to be unlocked in the phone once sprint figures out how to charge us to use it. Yes Virginia, there is a GPS solution in the mogul.

Almost forgot... http://www.cdmatech.com/download_lib...00_chipset.pdf Read Page 2, about halfway down. Under the position Location Based Services description it says "Simultaneous operation capabilities with CDMA2000 1X and CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rel. 0/EV-DO Rev. A"

[saqer]

this is the 6700 all over again. People were pullin out spec sheets, tryin to hack it in numerous ways and emailing qualcomm, sprint and HTC but at the end of the day everyone was just plain confused. No offense to anyone here, but don't believe anything until you see it. Also on the OP's post, the 6700 is listed as GPS capable phone. We have never seen even navigation enabled services work for it without a BT GPS unit.

[kilmarac]

Hence why I maintain that we will continue to not see it until Sprint can figure out how to charge us for its use. Right now, if they enable to GPS function that the phone CLEARLY has built into it, we can download any old navigation program and use it. What sprint will probably want is that the built on GPS is locked to using some form of Sprint Navigation.

My posting was only to show that the capability exists IN the phone, not that it will neccessarily ever be activated.

[no2chem]

Originally Posted by darkomen

From what I understand the tilt has a regular gps chip not agps

no, the tilt uses aGPS. see post above.

[ajac]

Please lock this thread its just arguging and nothing productive.

[jparks29]

Originally Posted by TC1

In case you don't understand, a-GPS (assisted GPS) and e911 are one in the same. As per FCC rules, any phone allowed to work on U.S. airwaves as of today have to have functioning e911.

No, they're NOT.

AGPS is the TECHNOLOGY used to MEET E-911 requirements... Wether it be by triangulation, GPS, AGPS, etc. Those are only the technologies used, NOT a definition of the E-911 system.

Devices such as the HP HW6515 DID have AGPS that COULD run in standalone mode, but because of the smaller antenna, required longer to acquire signals, and it's accuracy was reduced, while in standalone mode. The HW6515 software downloaded a small bit of data every few days, which ASSISTED the GPS in getting an accurate fix, it was NOT required for operation, however...

Maybe you should try and get the prog from that phone, it was WM5, and the device worked on all GSM carriers, it was an actual file that was downloaded from a server, NOT network initiated/controlled.

I know Mogul and 6700 have Agps, I do NOT believe they have the proper antenna, even IF it was unfrozen in soft/firmware.