Found: Official Sprint Website Confirms Mogul GPS!

Ciege · #1 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 06:56 PM

I was just switched to the new ensemble billing system and was perusing the new web interface. I went into the section of learning more about the Mogul, just to see what it said. Lo and behold there is a section titled "What is GPS and is my phone capable?" so I click it. That web page clearly states that the Mogul *IS* in fact GPS capable.

Here is the text and URL of the site: (If you search from the Sprint home page and enter the text "sp10550" you will get this information.

Ciege...

P.S. I took a screen shot of it for potential future use.

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http://support.sprint.com/doc/sp10550.xml?id16=sp10550

What is GPS and is my phone capable?

What is GPS and is my phone capable?
The global positioning system (GPS) is a satellite navigation system. More than two dozen GPS satellites orbit the Earth transmitting radio signals, which allow GPS enabled devices such as phones to determine their location. The location may be expressed in longitude and latitude or it may be shown on a map. Location services can help you get directions or locate someone else who has a GPS enabled phone. For more information on the location services, go to Real-time tracking.
The following Sprint Nextel devices use GPS:
Audiovox: PM-8912, PM-8920, PPC-6600
BlackBerryÂ®: 7100i, 7130e, 7250, 7520, 8830, 8703e
HTC: Mogulâ„¢
LGÂ®: 1200, 5350, Fusic, LX-350, Muziq, PM-225, PM-325, VI-125, VI-5225
Motorola: C290, i205, i215, i265, i275, i305, i315, i325, i355, i530, i560, i580, i58sr, i605, i615, i670, i710, i730, i733, i760, i830, i833, i836, i850, i860, i870, i880, i88s, i920, i930, ic402, ic502, ic902, MOTO Q, MOTOKRZR K1m, MOTORAZR V3m, MOTOSLVR L7c, NNCS i736
NokiaÂ®: 3155i, 3585i, 3588i, 6016i, 6165i, PM-6225
PalmÂ®: Treo 600, Treo 600NC, Treo 650, Treo 700P, Treo 700wx, Treo 755P
SamsungÂ®: A400, A420, A500, A560, A580, A600, IP-830w, M300, M500, M510, M610, MM-A700, MM-A800, MM-A880, MM-A900, MM-A920, MM-A940, N400, PM-A740, PM-A840, RL-A760, SPH-A460, SPH-A640, SPH-i500, UpStageâ„¢ by Samsung, VGA1000, VI-660, VM-A680
SanyoÂ®: Katana, Katana II, M1, MM-5600, MM-7400, MM-7500, MM-8300, MM-9000, PM-8200, RL-2000, RL-2500, RL-4920, RL-4930, RL-7300, SCP-200, SCP-2400, SCP-3100, SCP-3200, SCP-4900, SCP-5300, SCP-7000, SCP-7050, SCP-8100, SCP-8400, VI-2300, VM-4500
Sierra Wireless: AirCard 595U, AirCard 597E
ToshibaÂ®: VM-4050
UTStarcom: CDM-105, CDM-120, PPC-6700
sp10550

Musicman247 · #2 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 07:04 PM

They also list the Treo 600 and 650 as having GPS....which they don't.

ttyRazor · #3 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 07:11 PM

This is still just the same old aGPS used for E911 and location services that all phones have had for years since the FCC started requiring it. It isn't accessible to the software on your mogul, though, and without firmware and/or drivers it's not going to be.

Ciege · #4 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 07:14 PM

There is a link on that page that discusses what GPS can do on these phones. They include Navigation family locator and mobile locator. That sounds like it is supposed to interact with software to me.

alabij · #5 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 07:32 PM

There has never been a debate on whether the Mogul was GPS or aGPS. The issue was when would Sprint unlock the feature.

mobilejray · #6 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 07:33 PM

The website states, "What is GPS and is my phone capable?"
Keyword here is "capable". Yes, the Mogul *IS* capable, but with a Bluetooth GPS.

Not all non-gps phones support bluetooth gps units, the mogul does, as does the Treo's, etc.

AGPS is built in to the mogul - but AGPS has *VERY* limited capabilities for the applications we're wanting to use.

TC1 · #7 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 08:26 PM

This thread is like deja vu all over again....

jimmiekain · #8 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 08:40 PM

my car has navigation so I really dont care about gps in my phone... All I wanna know, is when Revision A will be released in my area!

neilson · #9 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 09:01 PM

Let's step back and think about it.

WM6 is new, and we tend to forget that the Mogul was the 1st WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) Phone that is CDMA and has aGPS. No other carrier has the aGPS activated yet on their WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) CDMA devices because the interactions between the aGPS and software are not stable enough. We whine about the Bluetooth issue legitly, but just think how much you would whine if the aGPS were activated for personal(as in non-e911) usage like Sprint Navigator/Telenav and had serious conflict issues with other parts of the phone?

Well, think of it this way as well. It does Sprint no good to not have aGPS activated on a phone that they no doubt would make a good bit of money off of from Sprint Navigator usage. It's just the OS/Hardware conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with the CDMA infrastructure and specifically the Qualcomm CPU in the Mogul. HTC and Sprint are working to fix the conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with aGPS, Rev. A, and Bluetooth and I have confidence that these will be taken care of.

Bottom Line: Blame Microsoft for not making it so that WM6 plays nice with advanced features on phones out of the gate. Sprint and HTC and Qualcomm dislike it every bit as we all do. Makes me think of Vista for some reason......

**no2chem** · #10 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilson

Let's step back and think about it.

WM6 is new, and we tend to forget that the Mogul was the 1st WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) Phone that is CDMA and has aGPS. No other carrier has the aGPS activated yet on their WM6 Pro(Pocket PC) CDMA devices because the interactions between the aGPS and software are not stable enough. We whine about the Bluetooth issue legitly, but just think how much you would whine if the aGPS were activated for personal(as in non-e911) usage like Sprint Navigator/Telenav and had serious conflict issues with other parts of the phone?

Well, think of it this way as well. It does Sprint no good to not have aGPS activated on a phone that they no doubt would make a good bit of money off of from Sprint Navigator usage. It's just the OS/Hardware conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with the CDMA infrastructure and specifically the Qualcomm CPU in the Mogul. HTC and Sprint are working to fix the conflict issues that WM6 seems to have with aGPS, Rev. A, and Bluetooth and I have confidence that these will be taken care of.

Bottom Line: Blame Microsoft for not making it so that WM6 plays nice with advanced features on phones out of the gate. Sprint and HTC and Qualcomm dislike it every bit as we all do. Makes me think of Vista for some reason......

sigh, OS/Hardware conflict issues? Can you please point me to which ones have to do with CE and how this has anything to do with aGPS?

Here is the bottom line:
Qualcomm releases chip which supposedly has full acceleration support for CE and all drivers written. We get these from HTC/Sprint. Microsoft has really nothing to do with these drivers. CDMA isn't "really" implemented by Microsoft at all, the implementation on the chip is by Qualcomm, and the drivers that control the hardware are by HTC/Qualcomm/Sprint.

If you want to see working aGPS, look at the tilt. It's clearly not an instability limitation, its a matter of accessing the data. And to tell you the truth, it's not like aGPS data is very complicated at all, its just a few strings that give you location encapuslated in a serial format.

Sprint and HTC have EVERYTHING TO DO with the mogul not having aGPS unlocked, and it's most likely Sprint that is responsible for it.