Hero progressively slower and eating more battery

[willpower101]

Originally Posted by kbussen

My only point was stating that these phones are mini pc's and well using multiple apps can cause a bit of sluggishness. I guess I just dont like someone downing a phone that they purchased and didnt do thorough review or testing themselves. I came from a diamond of a little over a year and when I got my Hero, it was like a breath of fresh air. No more flashing constantly in hopes of finally reaching light speed, no more task killing, no more constant lock ups. Wasnt trying to be a *******, I apologize to the OP if I came accross that way.

Oh and BTW, stay in Murfreesboro.

Coming from a mogul i more than understand the breath of fresh air. I'm just saying that i agree with the op that this phone simply shouldn't have the speed problems it does when running maybe 5 or 6 constant apps in the background (or 10, 12, or 15 based on the memory handling, but though i say that it's not immediately relevant.) Yeah a pc slows down if you run a lot of stuff, a phone does too.

But I should be able to have 100 apps installed no problem, be running gtalk, htc sense, handcent messaging, phone, gmail, contacts, voicemail, and a task manager without having only 30mb of memory free and the phone crawling when trying to search through contacts and make or end a phone call. These are basics. Throw an opening of the browser, amazon, or market in there and the thing becomes nearly as annoying as the mogul.

I'm also on fresh 1.1 and it's just silly that If I want to browse the web, i have to force kill everything to get decent input response. (I tend to measure my lag by keyboard and browser response)

[KBZL]

You should give gumbo a try with the tweaked kernel. Runs pretty darn good. Or hell, the tweaked kernel can be flashed into fresh as well.

[thacounty]

Originally Posted by willpower101

Coming from a mogul i more than understand the breath of fresh air. I'm just saying that i agree with the op that this phone simply shouldn't have the speed problems it does when running maybe 5 or 6 constant apps in the background (or 10, 12, or 15 based on the memory handling, but though i say that it's not immediately relevant.) Yeah a pc slows down if you run a lot of stuff, a phone does too.

But I should be able to have 100 apps installed no problem, be running gtalk, htc sense, handcent messaging, phone, gmail, contacts, voicemail, and a task manager without having only 30mb of memory free and the phone crawling when trying to search through contacts and make or end a phone call. These are basics. Throw an opening of the browser, amazon, or market in there and the thing becomes nearly as annoying as the mogul.

I'm also on fresh 1.1 and it's just silly that If I want to browse the web, i have to force kill everything to get decent input response. (I tend to measure my lag by keyboard and browser response)

I don't have any of these problems. I am running gumbo kernel. I don't use a task killer but I do back out of apps and I don't have any lag.

I have 90 apps and no lag. I run Sense, Handcent, Gmail, and Tapatalk almost all the time without ever backing out. I only Hold home to switch between them. The keyboard lag is no different with all those running as it is without them.

I have never had a problem with input. Maybe it is an app you have installed. I have a problem that Sprint thinks I don't need 3g in my area, but that is a different issue all together.

EDIT: Almost forgot, force killing apps in linux actually slows the phone down because it has to reload the memory again. If android works the way a box does anyway. I have read up and since I got rid of my Task killer, put setcpu on ondemand, and backed out of apps that I'm done with, I have no problems whatsoever.

[KBZL]

Originally Posted by thacounty

I don't have any of these problems. I am running gumbo kernel. I don't use a task killer but I do back out of apps and I don't have any lag.

I have 90 apps and no lag. I run Sense, Handcent, Gmail, and Tapatalk almost all the time without ever backing out. I only Hold home to switch between them. The keyboard lag is no different with all those running as it is without them.

I have never had a problem with input. Maybe it is an app you have installed. I have a problem that Sprint thinks I don't need 3g in my area, but that is a different issue all together.

EDIT: Almost forgot, force killing apps in linux actually slows the phone down because it has to reload the memory again. If android works the way a box does anyway. I have read up and since I got rid of my Task killer, put setcpu on ondemand, and backed out of apps that I'm done with, I have no problems whatsoever.

Well said. Hey, you wouldnt happen to have an .apk for tapatalk before it was paid app do you? I wiped and of course partitioned my SD so I lost it.

EDIT: NVM Still appears to be free.

[fixxxer2012]

Originally Posted by thacounty

Get a new kernel for better speed and batt life. Also make sure you back out of apps. Pressing home will cause these problems.

what new kernel do you recommend for running fesh rom?

[thacounty]

what new kernel do you recommend for running fesh rom?

Gumbo. I'm on fresh and its running great.

[98classic]

or just go back to your old phone... and it shouldnt slow down with 100 apps installed? ever heard of indexing? computers slow down after so much crap due to fragmentation and files all over the place, the more folders/files on your crap the longer it takes the processor to read/find them. buy yourself and iphone or a bb. i cant even imagine you need all those apps anyway. i could only imagine what your screen tabs look like 8973249873298742 icons of garbage you never use.

what are you actually comparing it to when you say it lags? have you tried the other android phones? iphone and bb run on diff OS's so thats not comparable. how manyh apps could you run on your mogul? 1 maybe 2 light light apps before you ran out of memory? before you go crying calling me names, please answer me intelligently.

[princem131]

Originally Posted by kbussen

My only point was stating that these phones are mini pc's and well using multiple apps can cause a bit of sluggishness. I guess I just dont like someone downing a phone that they purchased and didnt do thorough review or testing themselves.

Kbussen, I'm glad that you love the Hero so much, I like it too but my affinity does not prevent me from seeing its faults. I don't understand why you assume that because I am dissatisfied with a particular function of the phone, that I did not research, review or test the device. Quite the contrary, I thoroughly reviewed and tested this device. Thats why I know that my device's current functioning is not acceptable. I was among the first in this forum before it was even the Hero forum. I've compared it to every device Sprint offers as well as on the competing carriers. I've compared across OS's as well (Winmo, iPhone and blackberry though less extensively). I am coming from a considerable list if winmo devices before this phone as well as working for cell phone retailers where I've been able to test phones. I say all this to say that I have researched quite thoroughly, but any techie will tell you even the best phone has issues, some issues that will be annoying, and some issues that despite all research before purchasing the device, wont become apparent until after you have used the device for a considerable amount of time. I am coming most recently from the Touch Pro, and like you I was initially impressed (and still am to a degree) by the Hero. But as time progresses and the novelty wears off I have to say I am becoming more and more disappointed, but I know that it can and probably will get better. This phone is excellent and with more speed and processing power I would have virtually no complaints. So is it better than a lot of other options yes, but is it flawed yes. I value and appreciate your opinion, but do not appreciate the accusations that I have failed to review before "downing" the phone.

Thank you to all of you who have attempted to address my issue. And to thacounty, can I just flash the kernel similar to how you flash an entire rom? I don't really know how to keep my fresh 1.1 and flash a different kernel. Thanks in advance (I'll just hit thanks now for the suggestions you've made and those to come )

Edit: Just saw the info i need in the upgrade section after posting, downloading now! thanks anyway!

Originally Posted by 98classic

what are you actually comparing it to when you say it lags? have you tried the other android phones? iphone and bb run on diff OS's so thats not comparable. how manyh apps could you run on your mogul? 1 maybe 2 light light apps before you ran out of memory? before you go crying calling me names, please answer me intelligently.

Personally, I have looked at all the other Os's you mentioned, but when I am saying that it lags I am primarily comparing it to itself. Looking at the speed it possessed when I first got it, when running different roms and compared to other Hero's head to head. My secondary comparison would be to other Android devices taking into consideration of course hardware (and software) differences. Then thirdly just where I feel it should be. I know that sounds vague and is highly subjective but as has been stated in this thread already, there is a certain level of expectation that I should reasonably be able to multi task and still have things function in a timely matter. When I click something it shouldn't take 5-10 (or more) seconds to open. Opening contacts or text or scrolling through menus should not become laborious and frustrating, this device is supposed to simplify my busy life.

Sorry if I'm all over the place I was trying to post from class and then had to wait til I got home to finish so my thoughts may be a little scattered lol

[thacounty]

Originally Posted by princem131

Kbussen, I'm glad that you love the Hero so much, I like it too but my affinity does not prevent me from seeing its faults. I don't understand why you assume that because I am dissatisfied with a particular function of the phone, that I did not research, review or test the device. Quite the contrary, I thoroughly reviewed and tested this device. Thats why I know that my device's current functioning is not acceptable. I was among the first in this forum before it was even the Hero forum. I've compared it to every device Sprint offers as well as on the competing carriers. I've compared across OS's as well (Winmo, iPhone and blackberry though less extensively). I am coming from a considerable list if winmo devices before this phone as well as working for cell phone retailers where I've been able to test phones. I say all this to say that I have researched quite thoroughly, but any techie will tell you even the best phone has issues, some issues that will be annoying, and some issues that despite all research before purchasing the device, wont become apparent until after you have used the device for a considerable amount of time. I am coming most recently from the Touch Pro, and like you I was initially impressed (and still am to a degree) by the Hero. But as time progresses and the novelty wears off I have to say I am becoming more and more disappointed, but I know that it can and probably will get better. This phone is excellent and with more speed and processing power I would have virtually no complaints. So is it better than a lot of other options yes, but is it flawed yes. I value and appreciate your opinion, but do not appreciate the accusations that I have failed to review before "downing" the phone.

Thank you to all of you who have attempted to address my issue. And to thacounty, can I just flash the kernel similar to how you flash an entire rom? I don't really know how to keep my fresh 1.1 and flash a different kernel. Thanks in advance (I'll just hit thanks now for the suggestions you've made and those to come )

Edit: Just saw the info i need in the upgrade section after posting, downloading now! thanks anyway!



Personally, I have looked at all the other Os's you mentioned, but when I am saying that it lags I am primarily comparing it to itself. Looking at the speed it possessed when I first got it, when running different roms and compared to other Hero's head to head. My secondary comparison would be to other Android devices taking into consideration of course hardware (and software) differences. Then thirdly just where I feel it should be. I know that sounds vague and is highly subjective but as has been stated in this thread already, there is a certain level of expectation that I should reasonably be able to multi task and still have things function in a timely matter. When I click something it shouldn't take 5-10 (or more) seconds to open. Opening contacts or text or scrolling through menus should not become laborious and frustrating, this device is supposed to simplify my busy life.

Sorry if I'm all over the place I was trying to post from class and then had to wait til I got home to finish so my thoughts may be a little scattered lol

I know you said you got it, but I am just making sure. Haha. Do it just like a rom. That is correct. Then you need to get SetCpu from the market for 99cents or from XDA for free, its free for Members of XDA, but I will prob purchase because it is a great app!

Make sure you get Gumbo .31, or whatever his latest is. It isn't in the upgrades. It is on Androidcentral.com forums. Prob easiest to search androidcentral sprint hero roms and it will come up. He also is @gbhil on Twitter and when he releases he posts.

As always Nandroid Backup and flash.

[willpower101]

Originally Posted by 98classic

and it shouldnt slow down with 100 apps installed? ever heard of indexing? computers slow down after so much crap due to fragmentation and files all over the place, the more folders/files on your crap the longer it takes the processor to read/find them.

This is a very low factor on phones let alone any nix system, including osx.

Originally Posted by 98classic

what are you actually comparing it to when you say it lags?

mogul < touch pro < blackberry storm ~= tp2 ~= hero <= droid < jb iphone 3gs

Originally Posted by 98classic

have you tried the other android phones?

Yes, i've used both the droid and the nexus one (which is a bit smoother, but has it's own problems.)

The droid is kind of in between but surprisingly closer to the speed of hero when you get just a couple apps open. I have no experience with custom droid roms so I couldn't comment on their efficiency.

Originally Posted by 98classic

iphone and bb run on diff OS's so thats not comparable.

But rather it is comparable, for once you understand how fast a device which is primarily a pda should be you start to appreciate how much lag there really is out there. Sure a person who's only used an early gen winmo will think the htc hero is the next thing since sliced bread, but once you used to typing, switching apps and browsing on the nexus one or the iphone you will immediately want that speed on your device.