dan@sprint.com response I got

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Rules are rules....a place for everything and everything in its place.




CW

agreed i suppose... but it shouldnt of been merged 3 pages deep into a thread... shouldve got to stay its own post.. no matter where it got placed.. Oh well.. i have the link saved, if i see people asking for it lol

[snowplow54]

The way Sprint is spinning it is that the $10 is NOT for 4G, its because the phone was designed to be a bandwidth sucking powerhouse. whether you use it that way or not is none of Sprint's concern. It's the only phone that allows you to watch youtube clips in HQ, comes preloaded with Qik, and im sure theres other things I'm missing too. now whether you choose to believe that or not is a completely different story. It'll be interesting to see if a lower end 4G phone comes out and has the same $10 charge.

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by snowplow54

The way Sprint is spinning it is that the $10 is NOT for 4G, its because the phone was designed to be a bandwidth sucking powerhouse. whether you use it that way or not is none of Sprint's concern. It's the only phone that allows you to watch youtube clips in HQ, comes preloaded with Qik, and im sure theres other things I'm missing too. now whether you choose to believe that or not is a completely different story. It'll be interesting to see if a lower end 4G phone comes out and has the same $10 charge.

stock youtube app, has an HQ(high quality) setting already.. and if you meant HD, i say NAY.. youtube can have HD playback, but if its not an HD shot vid, it wont matter..

and qik may be preloaded, but ive been using it on winmo since my mogul like 3yrs ago.. qik is old and certainly nothing new or to brag about..

so neither of those reasons are really acceptable as to why were getting charged..

my TP2 is abandwith hog if i want it to be... i torrent and run xbox360 at the same time.. im chewing a ton of bandwith while im doing that.. doesnt cost 10 extra bucks a month either....

**all carriers, starting in the next 2 yrs will be doing away with MINUTES on plans, and itll all be in GB's.... youll have a certain amount of GB's available to you based on your plan.. found here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361784,00.asp this is atleast SPRINTs plan anyways*** - pay attention to this line in the article too "Sprint's new 4G service, Hesse added, will also let Sprint offer faster speeds and more capacity at the same price. He and Clearwire chief executive William Morrow both pushed WiMAX as well as mobile data in all sorts of data."

[Mswezey]

Originally Posted by gTen

Yes you would..mostly if you offload CRC checksum to the CPU. And latency effects everything, you don't realize that latency make a HUGE difference for everything, even a 500mbp/sec connection could loose to a 10mbps connection with better latency..let me explain

You have a webpage with 20 images. Assuming you are single threading, if you have a latency of 100ms it would take 2 seconds + the size of the image for you to download the page.

Now in a real scenario you would be multi-threading but the result is the same. I can do the full math here but its kinda late so I'm hoping the above example is enough.

Latency makes a huge difference in online gaming, skype, other applications that require that "no lag" experience. Loading webpages doesn't require a 10 ms latency to be the best. Hughesnet for instance?? Avg. around 700-1300ms latency

Yeah I had them for little less than a year and I could download insanely fast with a download manager that makes multiple connections or "threads". Crap, even on college campus they have us capped at 1.5 Mb but with this downloading software i can manage 5 Mb easy.

Now I'm not saying Hughesnet was the most pleasurable experience, but for the time I did have it, it was way better than dail up.

And throwing numbers around isn't gonna help your argument.
I'm sure everyone here would take a 500 Mb/s with 100 ms ping time over
10 Mb/s with a 20 ms ping time in less they are a huge gamer and don't do too much downloading.
And those NICs your talking about is for gaming enthusiasts, that's what they do is improve your ping time, they don't boost you're download speed and trust me, if they did, everyone would have them and ISP companies would be going insane with how overloaded their servers are.

But go head and quote this, do your math magic with your numbers that anyone can pull out of the sky. It's okay, I remember when I first learned to divide and multiply too, sort of exciting isn't it??

Now everyone wants the best connection possible, but you're not going to get it with choose the "right" CPU. Choose the right Internet provider and if you want that "insane" ping time, yeah go get one of those gaming NICs. Otherwise save your money, a you're regular NIC on your motherboard will do just fine.
This debate started over CPUs being related to internet speed. Which they are not. If you want faster page loads go get FireFox and install the addon FasterFox. lol

[gTen]

Originally Posted by Mswezey

Latency makes a huge difference in online gaming, skype, other applications that require that "no lag" experience. Loading webpages doesn't require a 10 ms latency to be the best. Hughesnet for instance?? Avg. around 700-1300ms latency

Yeah I had them for little less than a year and I could download insanely fast with a download manager that makes multiple connections or "threads". Crap, even on college campus they have us capped at 1.5 Mb but with this downloading software i can manage 5 Mb easy.

Now I'm not saying Hughesnet was the most pleasurable experience, but for the time I did have it, it was way better than dail up.

And throwing numbers around isn't gonna help your argument.
I'm sure everyone here would take a 500 Mb/s with 100 ms ping time over
10 Mb/s with a 20 ms ping time in less they are a huge gamer and don't do too much downloading.
And those NICs your talking about is for gaming enthusiasts, that's what they do is improve your ping time, they don't boost you're download speed and trust me, if they did, everyone would have them and ISP companies would be going insane with how overloaded their servers are.

But go head and quote this, do your math magic with your numbers that anyone can pull out of the sky. It's okay, I remember when I first learned to divide and multiply too, sort of exciting isn't it??

Now everyone wants the best connection possible, but you're not going to get it with choose the "right" CPU. Choose the right Internet provider and if you want that "insane" ping time, yeah go get one of those gaming NICs. Otherwise save your money, a you're regular NIC on your motherboard will do just fine.
This debate started over CPUs being related to internet speed. Which they are not. If you want faster page loads go get FireFox and install the addon FasterFox. lol

You are misunderstanding...ping is not a magical number that comes out of nowhere. Let me give an example, lets say I need 1 gallon of water color water with 5 colors. What would deliver faster a huge pipe traveling a long distance or a smaller pipe traveling shorter distance?

When you loading a webpage with 1000ms you will first load the page then all the images will be multi-threaded.

So as far as if your downloading a 5gb file you win out with faster connection even if its more latency. If you are downloading small files, smaller latency will win out.

what do you think will win downloading a 1kb file a 500mb/sec connection with 1000ms or a 10mb/sec connection with 50ms?

The 10mb/sec connection will have the file even before the 500mb/sec starts to download it.

Gaming gets benefit from lower latency due to the fact that it involves large sending of small packets.

Edit: and for the record Dialup is not only slow but has terrible latency as well

[akayareal]

How bout those who buy this phone mainly for mp3 and sd card movie purposes that will use no more that than they did on their previous phone. Or those who buy it so they can care one device that will record 720p videos but will upload them to their comp through the sd card? Granted this phone is set up to be a data powerhouse but what if data is the last thing you want it for and really want it for its media capabilities?

I understand that Android phones need unlimited data plans because of the OS, I have no problem with that ie ED plan standard for the phone, so now how bout the person that averages 100-300mb of data a month?

I know some say you should play with the phone before you make your judgement. There is still time until the phone comes out and I know things like the screen will wow me before I even see it. I used to have a Nokia N800 a few yrs ago and that sported a 4.1 inch screen and typing on that was a breeze, not to mention movies and web surfing.

I will wait till sites like phonedog, phonearena, engadget, and etc do unboxing and review videos. I will also wait and see what the 1st adopters say as far as issues and such.

I do like Sprint and its plans but the problem is now, they put themselves at Tmobile's fully unlimited price point. Im in NYC and from the looks of their map has there new HSPA+ service is covered nicely here. Im not saying I will switch because I have a good amount of discounts on my account that will keep the price down but will still cause my bill to at least double. So for me its not just simply addint $10, its adding an additional $10 to a $20 increase and still not including NYC tax.

At this point I will play the wait and see. But best believe if I do get the phone with the $10 add on, I will get my moneys worth and then some.

[Mswezey]

Originally Posted by gTen

You are not misunderstanding...ping is not a magical number that comes out of nowhere. Let me give an example, lets say I need 1 gallon of water color water with 5 colors. What would deliver faster a huge pipe traveling a long distance or a smaller pipe traveling shorter distance?

When you loading a webpage with 1000ms you will first load the page then all the images will be multi-threaded.

So as far as if your downloading a 5gb file you win out with faster connection even if its more latency. If you are downloading small files, smaller latency will win out.

what do you think will win downloading a 1kb file a 500mb/sec connection with 1000ms or a 10mb/sec connection with 50ms?

The 10mb/sec connection will have the file even before the 500mb/sec starts to download it.

Gaming gets benefit from lower latency due to the fact that it involves large sending of small packets.

Edit: and for the record Dialup is not only slow but has terrible latency as well

Never said ping was a magical number, but okay. lol

I agree with you 100% on what you just said.

But who is going to be downloading a bunch of 1kb files? Not me.

But if I had a choice I'd choose both, the 10 Mb for my 360 and the 500 Mb for my network.

[akayareal]

One other thing some may want to consider that may not want to shell out the $10 is Clear has said to becoming out with 2 powerhouse phones of its own and will have 3g. Nothing was said about voice but if it does then of course it would be from Sprint. I wonder if they will have Boost like plans with no contract and cheaper rates than Sprint. The trade off would probably be like all Sprint prepaids and MVNOs in that they cant roam.

They also said none of these phones will be a Evo.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/c...max-phones-th/

[snowplow54]

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

stock youtube app, has an HQ(high quality) setting already.. and if you meant HD, i say NAY.. youtube can have HD playback, but if its not an HD shot vid, it wont matter..

and qik may be preloaded, but ive been using it on winmo since my mogul like 3yrs ago.. qik is old and certainly nothing new or to brag about..

so neither of those reasons are really acceptable as to why were getting charged..

my TP2 is abandwith hog if i want it to be... i torrent and run xbox360 at the same time.. im chewing a ton of bandwith while im doing that.. doesnt cost 10 extra bucks a month either....

**all carriers, starting in the next 2 yrs will be doing away with MINUTES on plans, and itll all be in GB's.... youll have a certain amount of GB's available to you based on your plan.. found here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361784,00.asp this is atleast SPRINTs plan anyways*** - pay attention to this line in the article too "Sprint's new 4G service, Hesse added, will also let Sprint offer faster speeds and more capacity at the same price. He and Clearwire chief executive William Morrow both pushed WiMAX as well as mobile data in all sorts of data."

I did mean HD and even though its not available for all videos the possibility is still there for ones that do. Also Qik with the dual cameras can be something to brag about. Not to mention what developers will come up with for third party apps. My point is merely that Sprint's reason (not necessarily my own) for the extra charge is NOT for 4G, it is because of the high bandwidth this phone is capable of using. Therefore Hesse was truthful about not charging for 4G, the EVO just HAPPENS to be 4G enabled. Now whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you. which is why I said that it will be interesting to see what happens when a less capable 4G enabled phone comes out.

As for your TP2, you are not using it for the purposes that it is marketed for. breaking the terms of service, and using the EVO the way its intended are completely different topics.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by Mswezey

Never said ping was a magical number, but okay. lol

I agree with you 100% on what you just said.

But who is going to be downloading a bunch of 1kb files? Not me.

But if I had a choice I'd choose both, the 10 Mb for my 360 and the 500 Mb for my network.

Webpages range from 1kb-20kb for the raw text (usually can be more but usually around there due to compression of gzip)..

images range from 2kb-200kb (on average)

javascript files range from 1kb-5kb (again due to gzip)

css files range from 1kb-5kb (again due to gzip)

Now most sites that use ajax also send 1kb-2kb data strings between server and back.

now don;t forget those ad banners that load 10 javascripts within each other

now notice how many small files we download daily?

and for regular downloads bit torrent benefits very well from latency mostly if they are in small block sizes.

But of course we always want faster latency and better connection...which is actually one benefit of 4G is it is not only faster but better latency over 3g.

but CPU does have an effect on the latency, not by making it faster but "optimizes it"..aka in reality you may be receiving data at 100ms but due to the cpu being bottlenecked it only processes it at 200ms..get the point? its not that your making your connection any faster, your just making more use of what you already have.