Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

This is going to sound weird... and I don't even know what to think of it... but...

I noticed that now that patches is fixed with this kitchen, the battery consumption is twice as fast as it was when it was broken and I was using the SPB safe boot workaround.

Is it possible that something else is getting injected in patches that is almost doubling battery consumption?

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I'm new with the kitchen. How do I know what RUU and Version I should choose from the pulldown menu?

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

when you put your device in bootloader mode, you will see your version.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I flashed this yesterday after including MS Office and "icontact". So far, I am not receiving any overt issues with battery consumption, and performance seems to be on par with 20748. Actually, things are more consistent on this build - it doesn't seem to randomly bog down so much, at least so far. Time shall tell, I guess... or until another build rolls around to play with.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

this might seem crazy, but i am in the midst of a test. i reflashed with the latest MINUS the patches reference in the group file. loaded spb to do a safe reboot and then uninstalled it. i will check this consumption vs. patches consumption.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Just chiming in my own with battery test times. All are with few phone calls, no bluetooth, no wifi, not running additional programs, times recorded by me and a trusty clock. Completely unscientific and all, just making the disclaimer:
20755 Build
* Full to 20% = 16 hours 32 minutes
* 20% to 10% = 1 hour 2 minutes
* 10% to shutdown = 28 minutes
20931 w/ latest:
* Full to 20% = 14 hours 53 minutes
* 20% to 10% = 51 minutes
* 10% to shutdown = 19 minutes

There does seem to be a difference in this one test, but it may not be significant. I'll do a few more and run it against some t-tests to check.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I had gone from 100 to 70 in just a couple of hours with no calls (on the latest build with fixed patches). That is something that never happened before. On the previous (latest build with non-functional patches, but the spb workaround), I lasted on 100 for a couple hours, then 90 for several more hours. I am testing the elimination of patches with the spb workaround and will let you know if it was my imagination or real. I am pretty certain there was something to it because on the build with greater battery consumption, I was noticing that acbPowerMeter was showing a lot of fluctuation in an "idle" state.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I am having two issues with this build.

1 SD card wont recognize
2 I can't seem to fit as much stuff as I could before on this phone through BuildOS.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Just reporting in again. The t-tests showed no significant difference between the battery life of these two builds.

For the first question please allow me to use the porcupine effect: What SD card are you using and is it recognized by any other devices? For the second question, 20931 itself takes up more space than previous ones. Can't say how much exactly, but enough to make a difference about how many OEM's can be crammed in. Cook a barebones ROM and just add your OEM's one at a time. It is time consuming like whoa but at least you will know for sure how much you can fit without a lock-up.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Does anyone else have oddly large soft-key menu text? For instance, in IE, when I click the Menu button, the text of the items is rather large, larger than the webpage text. I tried to adjust textsize on the Screen app in the control panel to no avail.

Is there a way to adjust these fonts without rebuilding?

Michael


PS: In regards to the immediately above, about an unrecognized SD card, if it's SDHC, try putting in an SD card (say, 512mb) first, then trying your card. My phone would freeze every time I popped in my 8gb SDHC card. It would unfreeze when I removed it. After putting in a 512m card, the 8gb worked immediately, and flawlessly.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Does auto manager work?

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

To clarify, the battery life difference I was referring to had to do with 1 build (in 2 different ways). One without patches, the other with patches. I have concluded that without the patches, battery life IS in fact better... but... the process to make the non-patched build work is more tedious than most are willing to do. So my recommendation is to not mess with anything. The work that has been done thus far for the Apache is better than any of us could have ever hoped for.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I'm using a VERY generic 4GB MicroSD card. (not sdhc). I bought it on ebay years ago. The SD card has always worked perfectly in every other build that has come out and I've been cooking Roms since I joined in May of last year.

I tried rebuilding the 20931 rom about 3 times with no luck. I reverted back to the 20755 rom and this issue has gone away.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

IS there a list of the features that are included in this new build or for any of the builds. I searched but was unsuccessful can some one point me to the right direction?

Thanks

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

What exactly are you looking for? Its a kitchen. The features are what you want out of it. Take the info on WM6.1 and add whatever packages you want to add. Why not just try it out? The beauty of the 6700 is that you can always return to stock and you dont have to worry about HARD SPLs.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I still am wondering what the reason is for multiple entries for Bubble Breaker & Solitare. I understand that the GUIDs are unique for each entry... so the argument can be made that they are not "duplicate" entries... but why does it need 4? And why does OneNote need 2? When I remove the redundant entries from the selections file directly, it doesn't seem to change the result in the build. So it seems like waste to me. Can someone answer this? I didn't notice this happening in some of the older kitchens.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

My selections text file has the same "anomily" with "one note"
Second redundant entry looks formatted to look like a dsm file, but this entry does not exist in either the two PPCkitchen OEM rars, so it's not in the OEM.
??

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Doesn't matter, you must actually select which driver in new kitchen and between the two you must select the driver you think you don't need (SDHC).
Default driver in new kitchen will not see above 2gig and you have 4GB.
I don't doubt you have no issue using older selections file which is prob using older kitchen files, but for 20931 you need select and try SDHC.
I myself have a 4GB and it is not seen unless I select SDHC.

Anyway I speak from my own trials, can't guarantee the same for you.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Yes you add the packages but you always have to select a base ROM to start with. What exactly are the differences in the base rom as some are experiencing issues with 20931 and not with 20755 (as an example).

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Its just a difference of where the ROM was ripped from. The latest if from the Touch HD I believe. There are theoretically OS bug fixes or enhancements from microsoft with each new build... but just because it is newer does not necessarily mean better. So far, I think 20755 has been the best ever for the Apache. I have left the 20931 camp.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Did some more battery drain tests and have found that results are inconclusive. The significance levels that SPSS is showing me regarding 12 different builds of 20931 with and without the newest patches is WAY above the necessary 5%, leaving it outside the range of rejection. Still it seems rather odd that real world experience is reflecting something completely opposite. Grrrr, this is frustrating.

AFAIK, the only difference between those two kitchens is the size of the text options when you hit the soft keys. The only noticeable one anyway, there could be more to it. 20755 is also seems to be smaller so you can fit more OEMs.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I completely and utterly DESPISE IE mobile 6, how can I revert?

Michael

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Page pool setting is once again working. Use updater or reinstall BuildOS.msi.

MSVC Mapped Button won't activate?
 

Things look pretty good, however I can't get MSVC to activate when I map the button to the Windows Key?

I can click on voicecmd.exe through file explorer and it works fine.

My setup is fairly basic:
SelectionsVersion=.90.04
[BaseGroup]=GroupFile=Groups\BuildBases\WM6.1_96DPI_QVGA_2093 1_0409.txt
[DeviceGroup]=GroupFile=Groups\DeviceBases\Apache_WM6.1.txt
GroupFile=[UserSetup]
ROMDeviceType=Apache
ROMRevType=v1.00
ROMOSType=WM6.1
DeviceRUUType=Standard
DeviceCarrierType=Telus
PagePoolSize=7
PagePoolType=<Default>
SelectedBootSplashImage=240x320,PPCkitchen2.png
SelectedSubSplashImage=240x320,PPCkitchen2.png
SelectedMainSplashImage=320x320,aku3welcomehead.96 .png
0875d285-3f09-4a1b-95e6-a16aa7bb2d6c, True, HTC Camera
aaa8ce13-5a7e-4584-a20b-c0242b19c063, True, SD Card Support Only
fffff57e-cd05-41bb-bb39-232aac902d6f, True, Comm Manager (10-Button) (APACHE ONLY)
ed82c374-807d-4e81-ba16-7e5e477d19a5, True, Telus
ffffffff-9bbd-48e5-a7fd-4dee468eb62b, True, ClearTemp
ffffffff-0d04-41ce-9de7-c6c6f6223060, True, Flash Video Bundle
d344fafb-3feb-40a7-8f84-19c40f5dfc7b, True, FTouchFlo
ffffffff-ff6b-40e7-9530-54decdd2ce96, True, HTC Home Diamond Icons
7f71a4dc-8131-4a0a-ae36-2872cbf5cd87, True, HTC Performance
3d18a254-0013-47f5-b6dd-cf10b605a2bd, True, HTC Smartdialing
bcda785a-1b51-40d5-bad0-c3d1de9baa58, True, IETools
fffbb5d1-86a8-11dc-8314-0800200c9a66, True, No SMS Sent Notification
5f86088f-7e4b-4f3d-8b34-76b8a6bebe0e, True, Office Excel
c87af325-6bb0-4ecf-a662-47cda75d339b, True, Office Powerpoint
b495431f-6792-4461-a0cc-c9b7f5b47611, True, Office Word
19694bf2-1d69-11dc-8314-0800200c9a66, True, Pocket Sudoku
45a15658-b7dc-11db-8314-0800200c9a66, True, PocketXPDF
55e5b9be-eafe-11db-8314-0800200c9a66, True, BL OSXBlue Keyboard Skin
84adafa4-dd3d-4e12-9dd8-3d20107e9193, True, TCPMP
cca7de97-9353-45c7-9006-0a73bec0575f, True, Total Commander File Explorer
f789a2d1-007e-464b-b3f6-c656f0fa1778, True, Cleartype On
410788f1-acd5-459b-b9ea-df86ac7f990e, True, Microsoft Voice Command
78f9bb08-38b2-4da6-bc47-a5b65f1fec35, True, WkTASK
ffffffff-9de9-4ad4-80bc-242836337480, True, Van G

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen - goin' back to 20755
 

I've tried 20931 for about a week and I see no advantage to keeping it. It is larger than the previous versions so there is less room for options - perhaps because of The new release of IE 6.1.
I didn't even have enough room for Opera so I had to use IE and I don't like it as well as Opera.
Name and Address search was much slower. Battery life seemed to be shorter.

Any comments on my experience with 20931??

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Couple issues I've found with 20931:
- unable to map MSVC button to Start Menu key
- Comm Manager shortcut at bottom of Home Screen
- drops and then picks up AS connection when in cradle

I haven't noticed a change in battery life from my previous build.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

hey guys what's up, i'm 100% new here but i'm not a retard, just wanted to know if i could get some help on getting kitchen to work, every time i run the updater, i cant copy files after everything downloads. no, kitchen isn't running, it just does that all the time. any ideas? and if nothing, how do i go about dropping the files manualy, i mean, where do i drop em. thanks guys.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

PM'd you with details and a barebones walkthrough and manual download instructions. For a more in depth guide check here
http://justpctech.com/PPC/Kitchen_Tu...PCKitchen.html

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Awesome thanks man. i'll look into it and post my feed back as well when i get the chance.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen - goin' back to 20755
 

All the builds are a little larger. We used to leave .Net2.0 out, by default, but we have reversed that policy and it is now included, by default. It is included in stock roms, and some poorly written apps just won't run without it. Depending on what rom you built w/ prior, you may also be seeing the effect of updated packages - opera is larger than it used to be.

Name and address search time should be unchanged.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Use this link instead: PPCkitchen Tutorials

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

External ROM issues:

The external ROM works pretty well for me on the Titan on this build, but I am having some real issues on the Apache.

I have deleted everything in the External ROM in an attempt to re-install some programs, but the OS still thinks that there is 9.64 Mb of data/programs in there. It won't let me install or store anything there now.

How can I force it to overwrite or clear whatever it thinks is in there?

I would flash a stock ROM if I could find one that would flash (I have bootloader 1.04), and if I knew which one will not upgrade the Bootloader to 2.05. I prefer a larger ROM.

Soft reset, hard reset have failed to clear it. Official stock flash attempts have not flashed with a failure to read error.

It appears to be empty, but thinks it is full.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Ugh! Now it lets me see what it thinks is in there. It is filled with garbage directories, but won't let me delete them. It says 8 of them are over 1 GB each! (EDIT: Not possible, I know, but see the screen shot in my next post.)

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

you need to both unlock and unhide it.

They're not supposed to.

sounds unhidden, but locked.

hmmm. 8x1GB sounds like a lot more then 9.64MB of ext_rom. Are you using stock flash drivers?

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Hey guys, having trouble flashing to WM6.1. Months ago I updated to WM6 on Vista. I know there are issues with the RUU working properly. Somehow I got it to work before but having the same problem now. Can anyone help?

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

I have a Settings folder Unlock ExtROM that says "Sucess!" But nothing about unhiding.

These files are corrupted big time.
Trying to flash with stock ROMs, to overwrite the ExtROM, but no joy. They show the update screen with current ROM and update ROM, but then can't finish the job. Usually a Connection issue.

***EDIT:Both
APAC_VZW_20720_200_11000_Ship.exe and
APA_VZW_20720_206_11000_WWE_Ship.exe
after putting the phone in bootloader, and giving an update screen, sit a while, then give me an Error 201:Get
Device Data Error

I also have APA_Verizon_31430_314208_14300_WWE_Ship_2.exe. I think this one applies Bootloader 2.04 or 2.05,
which I want to avoid, because I don't want to have to revert the bootloader, and I want a larger ROM.

See image.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

Hey all,

Thanks a ton. I have a question, does anyone notice a weird screen flip to portrait while in landscape mode using Manilla 2D? I've not played with it yet, but this build is the first I've experienced this on my 6800. Just randomly flips to portrait mode when in landscape.

Just wanted to shoot that out there before I researched it.

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

pick no id in drop down on kitchen screen for RUU, this has always worked for me

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

just flashed the 20931 rom again and it still shuts off ppc if you are listening to audiobook after 4 minutes you you dont hit a button or screen. Does this happen to all apps? i cant use my ppc like this cause i listen to audiobooks alot. Any help would be appreciated. I did not change any settings just build and go.

after this i again flased a new rom this time the 20924 rom and same thing happens. Could this be due to the new create a project??

Re: WM6.1 build 20931 kitchen
 

It shuts everything off.. WMP, TCPMP, etc.. that's one of the reasons I went back to 20755. I could not listen to music for more than 4 minutes.