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Old 07-07-2010, 04:36 PM
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Re: Windows Phone 7... Doomed?

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hopefully its not the same reasearch team that worked on the kin phones lol
Don't worry the people that worked on the kin will not work on the initial WP7 release..only the people that helped Kin fail worked on it lol (Read the article on engadget)


But yes, I see this is not going to be well for M$, they are taking a long time to do the release and when they finally come out with one in fall/christmas they will most likely be facing against the CDMA iphone.

I personally think that M$ made it worse for themselves by breaking the tie with verizon who is going to push an LTE phone by end of this year as they promise...even if a 4g phone comes out with WP7, unless they can convince sprint to let legacy plans use it or drop the $10 fee or etc...because as trens show..sprint sucks at marketing devices through...and since it looks like sprint will be doing the release phone they better be ready to put in some serious money...

And lastly..if M$ does not put in youtube and puts their LIVE video only like on the kin it will be a /facepalm

And for their sakes they really need to stop calling it Windows Phone....Windows = PC if you ask any person..well almsot any to most others Windows = a hole in the wall that you can look out and see outside sometimes made of glass (crazy I know)
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Re: Windows Phone 7... Doomed?

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And for their sakes they really need to stop calling it Windows Phone....Windows = PC if you ask any person..well almsot any to most others Windows = a hole in the wall that you can look out and see outside sometimes made of glass (crazy I know)
Windows != PC... Windows = Microsoft = reputation.

Ppl said the same thing when MS launched the XBOX. "Microsoft means computers. not video games..." And now look wherethe XBOX is at... MS SUCCESSFULLY (emphasis intended) made their brand a household name for not only PC, but for video games. And they came into that market WAY late in the game... What makes anyone think that they can't do that in the phone arena?
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:47 PM
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Windows != PC... Windows = Microsoft = reputation.

Ppl said the same thing when MS launched the XBOX. "Microsoft means computers. not video games..." And now look wherethe XBOX is at... MS SUCCESSFULLY (emphasis intended) made their brand a household name for not only PC, but for video games. And they came into that market WAY late in the game... What makes anyone think that they can't do that in the phone arena?
Ok 2 things...

1) Microsoft is the name of a company..a company can do many things..Windows on the other hand is a product.. imagine M$ came in next day and called Microsoft Office the XBOX and the XBOX Microsoft office..wouldn't you be confused? you dont have to convince me..ask anyone what Windows is..they will tell you its a computer....I mean M$ even makes commercials saying Windows = PC...

2) The reason why M$ got through the market was 2 things, 1) they paid developers money to make the games..aka bribe...that won't work here because Google is already doing the bribing (its actually one of the reasons Google broke through with Android) and also a lot of game publishers were frustrated with Sony and they lost a bunch of exclusives...
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Ok 2 things...

1) Microsoft is the name of a company..a company can do many things..Windows on the other hand is a product.. imagine M$ came in next day and called Microsoft Office the XBOX and the XBOX Microsoft office..wouldn't you be confused? you dont have to convince me..ask anyone what Windows is..they will tell you its a computer....I mean M$ even makes commercials saying Windows = PC...

2) The reason why M$ got through the market was 2 things, 1) they paid developers money to make the games..aka bribe...that won't work here because Google is already doing the bribing (its actually one of the reasons Google broke through with Android) and also a lot of game publishers were frustrated with Sony and they lost a bunch of exclusives...
number 2 is funny....bribing....the bigger the bribe the easier to take is the rule of thumb....plus you forgot to mention that Xbox is a great product and that is why it was successful...also Sony is not hurting by any means with the PS3 so I don't think they lost too many exclusives...lets remember MS is a big dog in this game also...they are not going to just lie down and let market share go without a fight...
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number 2 is funny....bribing....the bigger the bribe the easier to take is the rule of thumb....plus you forgot to mention that Xbox is a great product and that is why it was successful...also Sony is not hurting by any means with the PS3 so I don't think they lost too many exclusives...lets remember MS is a big dog in this game also...they are not going to just lie down and let market share go without a fight...
Ok but once a company is already bribed its harder to get them to switch sides..not to mention put more financial burden where as before M$ would have needed to pay less..now they must beat Google's bribe + make it worth it for the company.

Not to mention the bribe is not in raw cash...they give the carriers and manufacturers a % of adwords and app store....There is no way bing search advertising is on par with adwords in revenue...and the manufacturer takes a bigger risk with an undeveloped app store...

And lastly, Verizon will not launch the WP7 phones due to the fiasco with the Kin...aka your going in with a new product and already the largest carrier doesn't want your product...AT&T will always be iphone oriented...so only one to push is Sprint..but hey, Sprint did wonders for Palm did it not? >.>

I'm not exactly saying M$ is doomed as in this title but the odds against them is REALLY BAD
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And lastly, Verizon will not launch the WP7 phones due to the fiasco with the Kin...
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Our source says that the fallout from this troubled partnership is that Microsoft has backed away from Verizon as a Windows Phone 7 launch partner, claiming that the first handsets you see won't be offered on the CDMA carrier -- rather that we should expect GSM partners to get first crack.
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Re: Windows Phone 7... Doomed?

The problem as I see it with WP7 is timing. They are releasing a phone that is seriously short on options compared to what the WM6.x line already delivered on.

While there are some new features, what made it a Windows device is forever lost. They went to look at what the competition was bringing to the table and cloned it some form or another. Unfortunately for them what they cloned was about the first generation (software wise) of each device.

On top of their "lack of timing" anything new that they bring to the table, I'm sure the competition is more then happy to steal into their designs since Microsoft stole the whole concept from Apple. Whatever new innovations that is currently being integrated into WP7 has probably already been reversed engineered and will be seen in a future Apple or Gingerbread update whenever those are released.

What's Microsoft going to do then, sue? I can hear Apple now, hey here's a Windows 6.x device and here's a iPhone from 3 years ago. Now here's a WP7 device and here's a current iPhone, who copied from who?

It's going to be so much easier to integrate a couple of cool features into an already stable OS then to start from the ground up as Microsoft decided to do.

While I still haven't given up my PPC-6800 because I'm not fully happy with Android yet, I can't see trying something that's practically 3 years stale out the door. Plus in January if the iPhone goes to Verizon as rumored and finally off of AT&T, why not just go to the original designer of the phone Microsoft cloned? Why pay Microsoft anything for stealing a design concept to begin with?

Finally GSM, really? Nearly everyone I know despises AT&T. Who in their right mind is going to leave Sprint to go AT&T and their newly imposed metered data plans. We already know that Verizon is passing on the initial release. That alone might hurt Microsoft sales enough for WP7 "Kin" levels of karma to kick in.

I guess we will see what happens after this holiday season, but personally I'm really disappointed in what M$ did and eagerly await it's judgment day.
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Ok 2 things...

1) Microsoft is the name of a company..a company can do many things..Windows on the other hand is a product.. imagine M$ came in next day and called Microsoft Office the XBOX and the XBOX Microsoft office..wouldn't you be confused? you dont have to convince me..ask anyone what Windows is..they will tell you its a computer....I mean M$ even makes commercials saying Windows = PC...

2) The reason why M$ got through the market was 2 things, 1) they paid developers money to make the games..aka bribe...that won't work here because Google is already doing the bribing (its actually one of the reasons Google broke through with Android) and also a lot of game publishers were frustrated with Sony and they lost a bunch of exclusives...
Yes but that whole bribing thing left microsoft with about 3 exclusives.Instead of buying game companies like sony or maybe ea, they cut short term deals that work against them in the long wrong. Thats why nintendo and sony will (for at least the next 4-5 years) have more 1st party exclusive games. It wasn't that game 'developers' not publishers were frustrated with sony. Its simply that microsoft was first with next gen hardware.Lesser competition= larger consumer base. Microsoft is a great company and some of their products are great. I feel that the problem is that they're too ****y. Instead of building trust and loyalty with their partners and the consumers who buy their products. They simply drop support or block features only to charge you for later. Throwing money around doesn't guarantee success.
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Re: Windows Phone 7... Doomed?

We need to sue microsoft for not supporting any of the past windows mobile phone. Its so slow and feezes. Why are they are still selling windows mobile phone(6.5 and under)? They stopped releasing any tweaks or support for the older phone already. I have a touch pro 2 since january of this year and I am stuck with 2 yrs contract on this crappy mobile OS. If i knew they not gonna support tp2, I wouldn't have got this phone. After a month use it starts to slow down. I am tire of reflashing to different rom and restarting my phone like 3 to 4 times a day. I can't even install any appz because it will slow down the phone. Right now I am waiting for a completed version of android. I have no future plans to buy any Microsoft products again including xbox 360. I have switch my desktop operating system and migrate everything to Ubuntu. I hope windows 7 is dead on arrival.
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