one row start/app menu? seriously?

[birddseedd]

Im freakin serious, if they do this ill buy an iphone. whats the point in having a 4 inch screen if they are only going to give you one solitary row for apps and make you do 5 times the scrolling...

[darren.wlsn1]

Originally Posted by birddseedd

Im freakin serious, if they do this ill buy an iphone. whats the point in having a 4 inch screen if they are only going to give you one solitary row for apps and make you do 5 times the scrolling...

if they do there will be 50 tweaks to put it how you want it or get your iphony i guess.

[birddseedd]

from what im reading on the microsoft forum site the os will be locked down and there wont be any "tweaking"

[darren.wlsn1]

Originally Posted by birddseedd

from what im reading on the microsoft forum site the os will be locked down and there wont be any "tweaking"

lol, sure it will till xda sinks there claws in it. ill take 1 icon over the iphony but thats just me, not a fan.

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by birddseedd

from what im reading on the microsoft forum site the os will be locked down and there wont be any "tweaking"

apple said that about the iPhone too.. till some 17yr old did the first "jailbreak" and did all his telephone interviews while using his att iphone on his t-mo network...

carriers always think they have the best answers, but Hackers rule the world...

look at sprint.. we're going to charge 30/month for wifi tethering on the EVO.. oops, no we're not, the device was rooted before it even hit stores to fill pre-orders.. sprint fails!

carriers, device manufactures- will never beat hackers! FTW!

[birddseedd]

in fact no customizing AT ALL. the ugly home screen is the way it is and thats it. no changing it, no customizing it to the way you use the device. people are saying wp7 is a real step down,
no multitasking
no cut copy paste

doesent even have a usb connection to your pc.

[jbearamus]

Originally Posted by birddseedd

in fact no customizing AT ALL. the ugly home screen is the way it is and thats it. no changing it, no customizing it to the way you use the device. people are saying wp7 is a real step down,

what they officially meant is there's no overlay to run on top of / in place of Metro such as Sense/TouchWiz/etc, there probably will be some customizable elements although we don't know to what extent, yet

Originally Posted by birddseedd

no multitasking

multitasks just as much as the iphone and android. it doesn't necessarily run everything all at once (although same apps will run in the background uninterrupted) but if you leave an app without actually closing it the phone "freezes" the app in its exact position to pick up where you left it

Originally Posted by birddseedd

no cut copy paste

microsoft actually said they left it out because they're trying to make the OS smart enough to not need it. for example if you were to copy/paste an address from the browser to maps/navigation you'd just have to tap the address and the OS would know what you want to do with it. that may be a situational menu where it wants to know if youre navigating or just saving the information but the idea is to eliminate the need for copy/paste
and they've implied they have true copy/paste on standby just in case their experiment doesn't work

Originally Posted by birddseedd

doesent even have a usb connection to your pc.

i haven't seen anything about that claim, do you have a source? and it doesn't really make sense to eliminate a pc connection because some people still plug in to sync with the pc, however the Zune HD can sync over wifi and they may have carried that function over to WP7.
but they have to charge the phone somewhere and since the new standard is microusb we could assume that WP7 phones will have that port and at that point its only a matter of driver to make it sync to a pc so why wouldn't they just put them in

as for the original question, yes for the moment you have the home screen of tiles on the left then you can "slide" right and there is a single column list of the installed apps that are not otherwise associated with a system hub. i can post a screen shot of the emulator MS released if everyone is that interested

[birddseedd]

Originally Posted by jbearamus

multitasks just as much as the iphone and android. it doesn't necessarily run everything all at once (although same apps will run in the background uninterrupted) but if you leave an app without actually closing it the phone "freezes" the app in its exact position to pick up where you left it

problem is one thing i do is i close a job on a website and at one point it has to wait for data from the server. during this time i program my gps. if the browser is frozen it wont get that data and i would have to start over, and might even get logged out. so there really is no multitasking since i would have finish what im doing in one app then switch to another app.

Originally Posted by jbearamus

microsoft actually said they left it out because they're trying to make the OS smart enough to not need it. for example if you were to copy/paste an address from the browser to maps/navigation you'd just have to tap the address and the OS would know what you want to do with it. that may be a situational menu where it wants to know if youre navigating or just saving the information but the idea is to eliminate the need for copy/paste
and they've implied they have true copy/paste on standby just in case their experiment doesn't work

apple tried this and got alot of flack because they did not have the feature. why is microsoft making the same mistake.

for work every day i have to copy random text to notepad. its not going to reconize random text as something to port to another app. even in this post im copying random text even within this one field. if i couldent i would just wait till i had a pc to post this, thus no copy paste i lose compleete functionality of my pda.

apple proved people want full copy paste. microsoft is making a huge mistake here.

Originally Posted by jbearamus

i haven't seen anything about that claim, do you have a source? and it doesn't really make sense to eliminate a pc connection because some people still plug in to sync with the pc, however the Zune HD can sync over wifi and they may have carried that function over to WP7.
but they have to charge the phone somewhere and since the new standard is microusb we could assume that WP7 phones will have that port and at that point its only a matter of driver to make it sync to a pc so why wouldn't they just put them in

read it on the site microsoft made for windows 7. edit:forum site they made, wasent written by microsoft, but i think the idea is to "push" all of your data, like exchange does. Great idea, but i dont see pushing 20 gigs of mp3's. they said it wont have an expansion card either, same as iphone.

Originally Posted by jbearamus

as for the original question, yes for the moment you have the home screen of tiles on the left then you can "slide" right and there is a single column list of the installed apps that are not otherwise associated with a system hub. i can post a screen shot of the emulator MS released if everyone is that interested

what this means is if anyone uses more than just a couple apps, they will always be scrolling. i use several apps, most at the same time, i customized what i have on my start menu and can see all of my most used apps on one screen. this will be imposible with wp7.

oh, and with multitasking my tp2 will attempt to detect if i am having a seizure and txt my wife with my gps location. without multitasking this feature is impossible.

[jbearamus]

Originally Posted by birddseedd

problem is one thing i do is i close a job on a website and at one point it has to wait for data from the server. during this time i program my gps. if the browser is frozen it wont get that data and i would have to start over, and might even get logged out. so there really is no multitasking since i would have finish what im doing in one app then switch to another app.

they've already stated some apps will run in the background, i would assume if the browser is still running it would be one to be left uninterrupted, although yes that's an assumption so we'll have to wait til september to see

Originally Posted by birddseedd

apple tried this and got alot of flack because they did not have the feature. why is microsoft making the same mistake.

for work every day i have to copy random text to notepad. its not going to reconize random text as something to port to another app. even in this post im copying random text even within this one field. if i couldent i would just wait till i had a pc to post this, thus no copy paste i lose compleete functionality of my pda.

apple proved people want full copy paste. microsoft is making a huge mistake here.

MS realizes the mistakes Apple made, when the first iPhone launched copy/paste was one of the first things that was called out on it. MS is probably doing it because they think they can do it better/right and i understand that youre copying random bits of data from the browser and you're concerned the OS might not know what to do with it but what it comes down to is MS has said virtually nothing about how this alternate copy/paste works so we should probably wait to see it before we demonize it

Originally Posted by birddseedd

read it on the site microsoft made for windows 7. edit:forum site they made, wasent written by microsoft, but i think the idea is to "push" all of your data, like exchange does. Great idea, but i dont see pushing 20 gigs of mp3's. they said it wont have an expansion card either, same as iphone.

Originally Posted by birddseedd

wasent written by microsoft

yeah push "data" and when MS says "data" they're not usually referring to Media such as music and photos. now they may not be concerned with pictures because the phone is designed to aggregate everything anyway but again I'll point to the Zune HD because they literally took the HD's software and dropped it into WP7 to handle the media player. the zune has the ability to sync over wifi but still has usb functionality because MS would understand that people have large music collections they'd want to take with them, especially with a Zune pass people have as much music as they want, there's no way they'd restrict you to using 54Mbps wifi to move everything that'd take way to long, and for once MS is focusing on customer experience not just function so I doubt they're dropping USB Sync/Mass Storage functionality

As for fixed memory, its unfortunate, I'd prefer expandable memory but I have to admit, it is easier to manage just system memory than it is system/expandable

Originally Posted by birddseedd

what this means is if anyone uses more than just a couple apps, they will always be scrolling. i use several apps, most at the same time, i customized what i have on my start menu and can see all of my most used apps on one screen. this will be imposible with wp7.

I'll have to see if the emulator will let me confirm this or not but I thought you could put a tile for any app you want on the home screen so if its just 5 or 6 apps you use constantly you can stick them on the home screen and arrange them however you want, I'd put them at the bottom so all you have to do is a quick down gesture on the home screen and they're all there

Originally Posted by birddseedd

oh, and with multitasking my tp2 will attempt to detect if i am having a seizure and txt my wife with my gps location. without multitasking this feature is impossible.

MS stated that developers can request an exemption from the freeze out rule and for something that important I'm sure it'd win approval almost immediately, if not I hope that whoever develops your software can find a way around it (with the push notifications?)
and either way MS has to design with max performance for the mass market and "freeze multitasking" is the best way to ensure performance and function as the mass market isn't use to and doesn't want to deal with task managers (yes i know task managers are popular on Android but most users don't use them until theres a serious problem).
MS can't design with every contingency in mind and I'm sorry there's potential for WP7 not to meet your specific needs, but you can't really fault MS for designing it the way they did

[GoodThings2Life]

Go ahead and get your iPhone, enjoy the signal reception, the jaundiced display, the dropped calls, the locked down ... everything (need I go on?). You wanna complain about a Start Menu layout when the whole point of WP7 is to pin the stuff you want up close to your home screen or integrate with hubs, that's your choice... besides, you haven't even used it yet outside an emulated demo, so you have no accurate perception to base your rant on.

As for copy/paste, have you even seen the interviews about it? The demos of how they've purposely made it an irrelevant feature even though they're committed to making it an intuitive process for a follow-up update?

Personally, I think you're just over here trolling. Controversy and disdain for WP7? Yeah, from the usual Microsoft haters, but just remember...

http://gizmodo.com/5573995/microsoft...uite-ginormous