Windows Phone 7 Discussion

[fixxxer2012]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Well I have to disagree with you there... I have a TP2 and 3Gs 32 gig and i'm jailbroken and use itunes just fine.

the iphone update hasn't happened yet to cripple the device.

[frazell]

Originally Posted by Tpimp420

Great JOB MS you broke WinMo.
...

Exactly!

This so smells of New Coke. They decided to throw out the business and enthusiast markets to chase the iPhone it looks like.

The deep facebook integration alone is enough to turn me off...

[Existentialism]

Originally Posted by fixxxer2008

amen +1000 here

i really hope this thing doesn't look like it does at launch. they need a good team of designers to give a better a UI. i watched the video again and it seems sorta comlex for a average user.

The issue is not that the design is terrible The issue is that we're locked into it. I could care less if it was a huge turd smear as long I could just through Touchflo or SPB Mobile Shell. But that's not longer an option, and that's what pisses me off the most.

Personally I think the design is fine. It just isn't for me.

It also frustrates me that things like Facebook are integral to the OS design. What happens in 3 or 4 years when facebook goes the way of MySpace and people are using something else? Or what about for people like me, who NEVER user or want ANYTHING to do with Facebook. Now I have all of this worthless clutter in my phone OS.

[Tim Smith]

Originally Posted by Tpimp420

Great JOB MS you broke WinMo.


First off if windows phone 7 turns out like it seems it will:

-no multitasking
-little oem customization
-apps installed from app store only
-social network integration is key
- 3 hardware button phones
- ZUNE HD + tiles

Then I'm going to be pissed. WTF Microsoft? You took everything I loved about WinMo and through it out the window? And so you can cover everything in a non-original Zune Theme? Why oh Why?

I expected-

1.A new kernal with support for things like

• Multi-core processors
• 2gb of memory space per application (thats a minimum)
• Multi-touch and capacitive screen support
• backwards compatability for winmo 6.X apps
• hardware acceleration and accelerometer APIs

2.Higher resolution screens 1024X720 or something of that nature.
3.Better built-in web browser pocket IE 8 or something of that nature
4.Larger rom support with common rom sizes at 2gb, 1gb for Winmo7 1gb for apps.
5.Better format and codec support (flv, avi, etc.)
6.xbox live integration.
7. more capable media player (i.e. Zune player)
8. Performance tweaks, stability tweaks, better hardware support.

DID I GET ANY OF THOSE?
Yes, but only the least important ones!!! WTF Microsoft?? I don't know if I can jump ship to Android for this because that OS is still made of Java and obviously no more PocketPc than the iPhone. But I don't think I'm upgrading to winmo 7 either. I'm seriously dissapointed at this pile of crap. I wanted next generation windows mobile, not Zune HD+ tiles. This sucks Microsoft! I hope things are cleared up at MIX10. Because I'm not carrying around a Zune with microphone and internet connection. MY Touch pro 2 is nicer than that!

Define multitasking and what you want from it and show me where Microsoft has said what you want won't work.
OEM's will be allowed to add to the UI. If they allowed OEM's to throw shit on top of the phone and cover up 7 then that's a lot of hard work wasted. They want people to see and recognize their brand and UI. I don't see a problem with that.
Social networking is a bad thing? That's a first! I guess if you're going to overreact and go off the deep end you might as well commit!
What's wrong with the hardware buttons?
What's wrong with the tiles and ZuneHD?

I wasn't aware that you were the sole reason Microsoft existed and worked for. Here I thought the rest of us mattered! My mistake! Do you want me to bow now or later?

I expected this phone to allow me to travel through time! Microsoft sucks for not delivering!

1. Most of the technical specs weren't talked about. Multitouch does exist and was demoed. Backwards compatibility is not needed and if it existed people like you would be bitching and whining about it not working as well as you want. It's lose/lose for Microsoft with people like you.

2. It's WVGA which is fine with me. How about you wait and see how this looks for yourself instead of freaking out right off the bat?

3. The IE browser looks decent so far. Pinch to zoom and pretty responsive.

4. Wasn't mentioned because they didn't go into that much detail. Wait until MIX. Though I'm sure no matter what you'll be on here bitching.

5. See above.

6. Done.

7. Done.

8. Apparently done. We'll find out more at MIX.


So you're saying you wouldn't use a phone like the Touch Pro 2 running this? That's exactly what I'm wanting for myself. Sounds to me like you set unreasonable expectations and refuse to be open minded and give any of it a chance. That's unfortunate for you.

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by gcianc

dead wrong.... i'm NOT easily impressed.

if this looks like iPhone to you then you're either totally biased, a hater or blind.

in fact though, i despise TF3D/Sense and most geek garbage posted. iPhone is a decent but clumsy start... YAWN.

Even more though i HATE NO INTEGRATION and jumping thru hoops to get basic stuff working. i do consider myself clue'd into the real world though. If you sold (ie. customers payed YOU for software YOU developed) then perhaps you'd be there too.

The WM7 phone showed today - if it did NOTHING MORE - would SELL ITSELF on all carriers over palm and 'droid and blackberry as well as do great on ATT/iPhone.

android is now poised to be the "give it away to geeks" platform that carriers will shun (once wp7 ships in mass) unless they get serious google payola (see palm on spring .... yawn).

Vendors NEED product to sell and WP7 will sell, sell, sell based on what you already saw. Anyone with a clue will recognize this.

sorry WP7 is a GAME CHANGER more than i myself actually ever expected.

If you think ANYTHING winmo will outsell iphone then you sir, are an idiot. If and when the iphone goes to verizon their sales will most likely double.. and they already lead winmo in marketshare as it is. Winmo will NEVER outsell blackberry.. now you're just being outlandish. And again, i'm willing to put my money up that says within the next year Android will surpass winmo and possibly iphone in marketshare.

If you like it then you like it, fine.. but I see nothing here even remotely impressive. I think some of you are just afraid of change but I watched the whole presentation and all I was left with was scratching my chin wondering when the big boom was coming.

Game changer? WHERE?????????? They integrated the phone with zune and threw in xbox live and thats game changing? Sorry but I have to stand by my point.. there's nothing in that video thats going to convince anyone to switch from BB, Iphone or Android back to winmo since a lot of the things they showed other systems ALREADY do.

[fixxxer2012]

Originally Posted by Existentialism

The issue is not that the design is terrible The issue is that we're locked into it. I could care less if it was a huge turd smear as long I could just through Touchflo or SPB Mobile Shell. But that's not longer an option, and that's what pisses me off the most.

Personally I think the design is fine. It just isn't for me.

It also frustrates me that things like Facebook are integral to the OS design. What happens in 3 or 4 years when facebook goes the way of MySpace and people are using something else? Or what about for people like me, who NEVER user or want ANYTHING to do with Facebook. Now I have all of this worthless clutter in my phone OS.

im sure devs will come up with something but i have a feeling it may be much harder to try to cook up any custom roms or make any new UI's for it. i don't think it looks like the iphone at all, it looks worse.

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by fixxxer2008

the iphone update hasn't happened yet to cripple the device.

It has actually... they sent out a 3.1.3 update to keep people from unlocking and jailbreaking but I think you fail to realize that you dont HAVE to upgrade

[fixxxer2012]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

If you think ANYTHING winmo will outsell iphone then you sir, are an idiot. i'm willing to put my money up that says within the next year Android will surpass winmo and possibly iphone in marketshare.

android will dominate the market very soon. since wm7 and the iphone will basically all look the same on everybodies phone becuase of lack of customization, yeah ill stick to my VERY customizable hero.

[fixxxer2012]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

It has actually... they sent out a 3.1.3 update to keep people from unlocking and jailbreaking but I think you fail to realize that you dont HAVE to upgrade

evil steve jobs will find a way.

[gcianc]

Originally Posted by Tpimp420

First off if windows phone 7 turns out like it seems it will: -no multitasking

Yeah, because wm6.x multitasks so great (ROTFLMAO it pauses apps for the most part and you have NO IDEA what WP7 actually does at the developer level)

Originally Posted by Tpimp420

-little oem customization

Yeah, because Samsung and other dvd makers are great at smartphone UI. And motorola too. won't comment on HTC the pig of pigs.

See iPhone sales at ATT due to "customization" (ie. good actual phone software design)

ROTFLMAO

i'll stop there this is comical