Warez Vs. Tethering
 

First Sorry Coz, i know im fresh off of a suspension but its really a valid question...

warez /weirz/ A term used by software pirates use to describe a cracked game or application that is made available to the Internet, usually via FTP.

how is supplying a cab or reg edit for ICS not the same thing... people are blatantly saying "i dont wanna pay for it, how can i get this for free"

setting a reg edit up to change from PAM to SPRINT is no different than offering a crack for a program..

ill openly admit to using wmwifi, and not paying sprint.. what can i say, ive broken most laws, so i dont really care.. im not here to argue our moral stands on the issues.. im just saying, theres no differnce..

ARE WE NOT PROVIDING A WORK AROUND SOLUTION TO A SERVICE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSE TO BE PAYING FOR?????? how is this any differnt than a "crack" for something?

i think maybe im just tired of reading 10 new posts a day abotu tethering.. i think if we have it, we have, so that cant really change.. however i think it needs to be a banned topic now(since were not about to start posting pics of biling statements to prove we pay for it).. mostly because again, whats the difference between supposed warez and tethering.. and again, i hate seeing all the neewbie posts over it...

i honestly think everything about tethering should be removed... or if were gonna keep allowing tons of posts over and over about it, atleast make tethering its own forum and keep everything in 1 place..

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An interesting point of view that seems to have argueable merit. Explained the way it was, it does seem like the tethering "fix" is a wares. I mean come on, its willingly stealing a service from sprint. Isnt that what a cracked key or wares does? On the flip side, since we buy the phones and software, isnt it like we bought the registry to edit as well? Walking the line on this one.

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we def dont really own anything inside our phones, technically a new ROM, reg edit, or 3rd party DL voids our warranties

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I pay for unlimited data on my phone, How I use it is my prerogative. Whereas with "warez" you are paying for nothing but using it anyway. There are so many "moral" issues that could be brought up on this site, if you dont like the rules in place you know where to door is. Or make your own ppc site where warez discussion is allowed and tethering isnt.

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but we all know full well, our data plans dont cover ths kind of usuage... you must be "Konfuzed" i guess, is there somewhere i said i supported "warez"????

did u miss the part where i said i use wmwifi? obviously im abusing this like most others, so check your attitude at the login screen please.. or where i said if we already have it fine, but future discussions and current threads should be removed

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From a legal stand point Warez can not be posted...Cell company's know that people tether but they pretty much careless as long as the cap does not get reached..

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ima have to 2nd hooov's post. sorry man, but it just about sums it up, ya know? the cell companies prolly look at it like that. plus overage makes money too.

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first, if cell carrier dont care, why are there specific plans for it?

second do u guys personally repesent ur cell carrier, to say how "they do or dont feel" about something...

third, "overages make money" its pretty hard to go over 5gb cap.. i use wmwifi atleast 6yrs a day and dont even come close to 5gb.. so ur excuse for overages makes money is pretty lame and invalid...

fourth, just answer the question.. WHY IS IT ANY DIFFERENT "stealing/abusing/tweaking" ICS than it is if i tell someone how to steal/abuse/tweak a different program/app/ or game??

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so then tell me from a legal stand point why ICS hacking is acceptable, since you wanna bring laws into this.. btw im a law student, so this should be interesting...

****pops bag of popcorn, grabs a soda, rolls a fatty, and waits for the nonsense answers to come forth****

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I agree this tethering hack should be considered warez.

Why: A person that applies this hack did so deliberately to avoid paying the charges that the carrier would charge for those additional services. Clearly stated in the Terms of agreement and plan brochures. By doing the hack, you are "stealing" a service that the consumer is normally charged for. It is also common knowledge in the online community that those who apply this hack do this to avoid paying their wireless company fees for a service that is also common knowledge that their cellular carrier charges for.

Current laws or not, that is theft by deception in any court of law...

edit: yes, it's on my plan.

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absolutely agree! and im on the wrong-doer side of all this.. i just wondered why its allowed/tolerated is all..

glad to see some people agree

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It is an interesting point, but I certainly can tell you the following difference. When you pay for the service, you are paying them to do something that you could have done yourself. The extra service is just that... extra and voluntary. Your data usage is covered in your plan. How you consume that data is irrelevant. They could certainly reserve the right to shut you off if they feel you violated the TOS... but that isnt likely if you arent abusing it... especially if you are paying for a better than basic plan. You ARE paying. Warez is not paying for anything.... it is blatant stealing.

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Wares = theft of software = copyright infringement. vs tethering = violation of TOS. Does that help the law student?

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again, not a valid point, if u have to point out the violation of TOS, it only further proves my point..

just because you buy the gumball machine, doesnt mean the bubble gum is free..

im not asking people to stop, im nt asking people to feel bad.. just pointting out were commonly talking about a ware.. if we use wmwifi, pdastatus, or ics hack, without a PAM plan(which ics hack blantly goes around, to get a FREE service that should be PAID for) wereall doing wrong..

im just asking for it all to stop.. if we have it, we know how to use it by now.. so we dont need old posts about it... and future posts should be banned

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copywrite infingement is trying to pass something off as your own works and not giving due credit to the originator.. ie..recording a song ad using a music sample in your chorus,beat,whatnot and not getting permission and giving proper credit in the liner notes...

what u would need to be reffering to, to even sound halfway right is Royalties and Publishing Right/laws, that what devlopers get upset over, this is also the argument in p2p sharing of mp3(which i absolutely DONT DO), NOT GETTING PAID, not people trying to pass it off as their app/program(or song in the p2p case), though im sure they dont want that either

so again i ask, how are you not Thieving, by intentionally avoiding PAM?? r u paying for it? no were illegally using/abusing a service that we dont pay for and it should be..

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With Sprint tethering is clearly a violation of the TOS according to the Subscriber Agreement (highlighted portion by me):

Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can’t use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications, or other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions; and (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections. We reserve the right to limit or suspend any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network. If your Services include unlimited web or data access, you also can’t use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).

From a legal standpoint I think the only thing a user is guilty of is breach of contract which would result in paying extra service fees and/or termination of service. From a moral standpoint I guess it's up to the individual user.

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thanks i was just looking for that lol.. warez is all about the "crack" part of it.. well were all "cracking" their prog/app/system

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Ummm. NO! You are wrong.

You OWN your phone. And you OWN the right to install software on your phone. You OWN the right to modify your registry. ICS and PAM are two different things. Comcast would prefer that you PAY for every device that connects to their internet whether on one modem or not. But the fact is that a router allows you to SHARE the one connection you have and essentially make it one. This is PERFECTLY legal. Comcast can also decide to shut you off if they dont like how you are using the bandwidth. Same holds true with your phone service. ICS is basically allowing you to pass the data that you PAY for in your plan... down a usb wire to your PC. This is not theft. It is just cleverness. And it is functionality that is being provided within the OS. If it was illegal, MS would not make it easy. And if your phone carrier was concerned, they would encrypt and key the PAM service in such a way that it would be impossible to use without paying.

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And back in the day when that one guy tried to get/stir up donations for them new video drivers for the vogue (can't remember his handle now or then) but we also had a thing going on with tethering as well. So I applied all the current anti-tethering technology, and called sprint and asked. They know your tethering just by data-volume, and other things. You don't need your phone to tell them. It's just they're not willing to enforce it and lose customers to other carriers. It will either be a carrier-wide thing, or it will cause the price of data to go up for everyone...

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True, but Sprint or whoever owns the network and they have final say on how you use their service as I posted above in the TOS.

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well if you own your phone and everything about it genius, why cant we clone em?? i understand the argument of cloning a number not your own, but shouldnt with your argument, I be allowed to clone my own number? wouldnt that be our own decision to chose to or not to allow to have done to OUR device as you put it.. afterall i pay for my line, why cant i split it into 2 handsets?? the same reason your not suppose to be sharing your data connection with something other the phone itself..

so nice try, your still wrong...

so cheating on your taxes wouldnt be wrong, its just cleaver??? just like cheating our carriers isnt wrong, its cleaver..

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No. You get the phone at a discounted price when you sign an agreement. The carrier gets the "discounted price" back throughout the 2 years of your service agreement. At the end of the service agreement the phone is yours.

And Unlimited Data is data to your device. Once it gets to your device and continues on to another device, there is an additional term for that. PhoneAsModem.

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I think you all have a little too much time on your hands. Especially posting this twice to get attention and once in the wmwifi thread. Try and get over it and mmove on. kwim? I am having trouble trying to figure out exactly what you need out of this thread other than to argue. Take it up with the mods if you believe in your cause.

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My personal opinion is that the carriers don't enforce their tethering policies simply because it's hard to prove. It's one thing to say your data usage was extremely high for a month. It's another thing to say it's because of tethering. Excessive data usage will usually get you a warning or two before any action occurs.

If anyone is interested, here's the entire current Sprint Subscriber Agreement:

http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popu...msPrivacy.html

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edit: The "discounted price" brought about the "Termination Fee". The termination fee recoups the discounted price btw... And everyone now know's that the etf is prorated on new agreements.

And once you pay the ETF, the equipment is yours... Had to throw that in there. Been selling phones since 1992. Yeah, bricks back then...

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my reply iin the wmwifi thread is what sparked my thought process in this.. and what do u care how i spend my time.. dont post if you dont want to i guess i say to you in a plain voice..

and apparently you dont read the threads very thouroughly... what am i trying to accomplish? getting all the current threads on the subject removed and future talks/posts banned..

why dont i goto the mods? its basically a petition here, hearin what people on the site really believe about this... im sure the mods need/want more tha just my opinion on the issue.. but hey, Thanks for caring how i spend my time..

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I would have to say it is not a petition if you are arguing with people who are posting their opinion. correct. I could also say the same to you about reading the tethering threads. Dont go into them if you are tired of reading them.

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this is why staring 2010 i think i read was the year, all phones have to be unlockable.. so that once our contract is done or we pay eft, the device is ours and we should be able to take it to any carrier we want... thank the government for stepping in and putting that through and into effect..

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i almost always answer those polietly and give them the neccessary info to get what they want... so yeah, next please...

and ok sorry, this is a FORUM, a visual petition of a topic in this case.. and since when have you not heard arguments presented in the case of a petition, if it were signable and u didnt wanna sign You or the other person would argue why or why not you would or wouldnt sign it.... so asking people to elborate their points a little further isnt really doing anything wrong

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Posting hacked programs is warez because you are posting programs that you are supposed to pay for. ICS is a free program therefore it is not warez. Now what you do WITH ICS is a different story, but how can posting the free program itself be illegal??


same concept as bit torrent clients are not illegal but you can do illegal stuff with them. Or a super nintendo emulator is not illegal but you can play illegal roms with it. Get what I'm tryin to say??

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right, so thank you for pointing out that a warez is just a game/app/software until you dont pay for it.. and ics is just worthless and unusable without a "crack" or reg edit to trick the carrier

"but how can posting the free program itself be illegal??" because the Free prgram isnt being posted, the "crack' for it is

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I kind of feel the same way. A reg edit is only information. What you do with that information is up to you. But the "Hit Man" lawsuit against Paladin Press a while back made the publisher of information responsible for the content it released. A little different situation, but along the same lines:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...31/ai_55343566

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I dont think you care how people on this site feel about this topic. You just want people to side with you and anybody that feels different you bash them and call them names.
Nobody cares about the difference between warez and tethering. The mods could be using warez for all i know but it doesnt matter they cant be posted on this website and thats it. I dont understand what's so hard to understand about that. WMWifi isnt illegal to download. Warez are illegal to download that is the difference. What you do with you these programs arent anybody's concern but bottom line is ppcgeeks will not let you share warez on their website if you want to do that send someone a pm and maybe you wouldnt get banned lol. Welcome back :wav:

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Worth quoting. Nicely said.

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uh who did i call a name, oh wait, i called somebody 'genius' in gest i think..

wmwifi is just a paid for "cracked" solution.. were still not paying for PAM like were suppose to be doing.. and im not advocating warez being allowed, im asking for this to be considered into the warez topic and banned as well.. so thank you, but i understand full well what isnt allowed on here., thats why im trying to add to it...

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I think you're missing the point. crazychef is raising the issue that warez and tethering are the same thing, something that gets you something for free that you would otherwise have to pay for. I'm not taking sides on what's right or wrong, but I do think he has a valid point.

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When WMWifi becomes illegal then it wont be allowed on this site until then theres nothing wrong with it.
If i download and install WMWifi and never use it am I doing anything illegal?
If i download and install a cracked program and never use it is that illegal?

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look people, is DVDxcopy illegal as a program, no... just like wmwifi isnt... again, I USE WMWIFI.. so im harly against it.. im pointing out a correlation between the 2 represented topics..


and actually, YES, if you download a cracked prog, it doesnt matter if you run it or not.. the downloading and or sharing is what illegal about wares, not necc the use of

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not sure if that part was geared at me, if not my apologies.. but i dnt use p2p/torrents, im work in the recording industry, im def against all that kinda music/dvd sharing type stuff

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Lol thank you, you just proved my point WMWifi is not illegal so it can be shared here and a cracked program is illegal and thats why it cant be shared here.
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