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darren.wlsn1 02-23-2009 07:56 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
since this thread is on its way to history, i want my 5000 post to be part of history.

kyle4269 02-23-2009 08:08 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 733608)
since this thread is on its way to history, i want my 5000 post to be part of history.
lol congrats darren!

crazychef 02-23-2009 08:32 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
this isnt off topic.. this is 100percent a related topic though, and should derserve its due place in a discussiion forum.. off topic is for:This is where to post off topic subjects and everything not related to pda/ppcs..

this relates to ppcs..

and i dont really wanna fight with ya BD.. but the reason the ROM topic was tried to be so avoided by myself, is bacause this was originally raised as how is reg editinging pay to play software, to obtain free use of it, not considered warez...

i look at like you cant BUY a new ROM, Radio, you cant buy an app that allows you to change tf3d things.. therefore were not avioding a payment system in place to obtain those roms and radios and things

warez is about the lack of the transfer of money, where money is due.. i thought.. but
and we are indeeed hacking a paid software feature for its free use...

i just dont understand how both arent "hacking" software... thats intended to be paid for and maliciously using a work around, to obatin the service for free..

isnt the def of warez, obtaining the use of paid software for free?? if its not, the zero tolerance rules do state that even though it may not be a warez subject, if we even talk about getting paid software for free it will not be tolerated and we will be banned??


i just dont see why this isnt the same

crazychef 02-23-2009 08:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDiesel07 (Post 733589)
Greatly said RainFreak and Coz...

For all those that are interested, is what is proposed here not cheating and stealing?

Should not ALL discussion about any edits, programs, or activities that change the phone being banned and deleted? Are we not all guilty of (illegally) modifying our phones by changing the registry? Are we wrong for wanting to improve our phones? Should we all not be banned for wanting to change our phones like so, since it is voiding the licensing agreement with Microsoft? Mike should be sent to jail then! And Coz? Throw him in a Mexican prison, for he is guilty? What about Juggalo_X, Conflippers, Hibby, etc. that create custom ROM's? All that should be removed from this site then too! Heck, we should all buy non-smart phones, since the ability to "cheat" the system is much less a possibility? Wait... Why not we all use 2 can's and a shoe string to communicate with each other?

And this is on topic, Mr. Crazy, since I am discussing the "illegal posting of warez-like stuff" on this site..

At least move this to the off-topic forum.. Watch and see how many less posts are added to this...
what did i cheat and steal there, my asurion replecments came wwith white spots, a manufacturer defect in the design... what did i do wrong... sprints who offered me all the goodies.. #330842404 thats th badge id of the esca;ations supervisor that gave me all my freebies.. i just wanted another mogul, thats all...i didnt even want a TP.. all i wanted was what asurions contract promised me, the same phone, or a comparable replacement..

you could brng up the thread where i was trying to sell the NIB TP in trade for a mogul and a few bucks.. def showing i wasnt lookin for handout or upgrades just what was suppose to be supplied to me.. sprint made their own decisions on how to handle my issues, not me..

schettj 02-23-2009 08:43 PM
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Quote:
i just dont see why this isnt the same
I know. It's kinda sad really, because it is completely different.

One is a software, the other is a service. See the difference between software and service? Note, they are different words, with a long and unambiguous difference in meaning. At no time in history has "service" ever meant, or been a synonym for "software".

And yet you cannot grasp this difference.

It's kinda depressing.

Hey, just for fun, do you tether? Do you have a PAM plan? How often do you tether? As a % of your data use in a month, how much would you say is tethering?

Me, I don't. I hooked the TP up and verified it worked, because in a emergency should I somehow find myself somewhere in the universe where I had to do something with the internet that I could not do ON my phone, but that I just HAD to do right away, then I would do it. But I never seem to find myself there. So...

I have tethered 2 times in the past 4 weeks, for about 3 minutes. I ran a speed test. It represented .01% of my total data use for that plan period. (1 time 4 weeks ago, 1 time earlier today to verify that nothing changed due to this topic)

How about you?

DarkLord 02-23-2009 09:04 PM
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wow. i thought you guys would be finished hours ago but you're still going strong.

coolwhip1220 02-23-2009 09:08 PM
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For the answer on the Poptart question, head here. I happen to agree.

And please move this to the Off-topic forum. Better yet, is there anyway the mods could create a "Let's start an argument that can't be answered" forum? I believe that would be the perfect place for this thread.

Darkjedi 02-23-2009 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rwcj63 (Post 733755)
wow. i thought you guys would be finished hours ago but you're still going strong.
that would be like asking rosie o'donnell to stop eating

hahah that was mean...

schettj 02-23-2009 09:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rwcj63 (Post 733755)
wow. i thought you guys would be finished hours ago but you're still going strong.
I took a nap, so I'm ready for more :p

And FYI... brown sugar cinnamon. The best 400 calories you will ever eat (600 with a glass of whole milk. Yum!)

Hafrust 02-23-2009 09:20 PM
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+1 on the Rosie O'Donnell comment..and the BS Cinnamon Pop Tarts.

skeegcpp 02-23-2009 09:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1 (Post 733608)
since this thread is on its way to history, i want my 5000 post to be part of history.
over-achiever..lol just playin D. its all love

tech 02-23-2009 09:35 PM
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ok afther reading this post teathering without pam plan is stealing and its wrong but some people are use to it well im one of them i wouldent mind paying for pam but the sucky part the 5 gig cap i dont like it waiting to see if they put the unlimited back then ill get the usb modem but for now im tethering lol and yea it make no sence oh well

edufur 02-23-2009 09:39 PM
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For the record, CrazyChef already knows he lost... he just likes the attention. Tethering is no more stealing than loading a cooked rom WITHOUT tethering. BOTH are violations of TOS. So chef... if you don't want to be part of it, leave these forums forever. Or impress us all and say... "ok, I guess you all are right."

I pretty much only like the raspberry pop tarts. Along with coffee or milk.

guitardoc64 02-23-2009 09:42 PM
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First, thanks coolwhip for a laugh and a good read. Congrats to Darren on 5000 posts!
I tried to stay out of this one and just let it be a good and entertaining way to while the day away reading through the thread. I posted, talking about pop tarts, and got called out for it. I like pop tarts, so sue me.
(getting back on topic)
This is a grey-area topic. The tethering hack exists, and works. It isn't just posted here, Ive seen it posted at Sprintusers too, and it's probably out on hundreds of sites. It's a registry edit. Period. It isn't stealing someone's software, or a cracked serial for a pay program, but it does allow one to "cheat" the system. Why all the hubub? I wonder about that. I suppose it's a good topic to rant on as that has been done here, and the mods have allowed it to continue unchecked, with more anger than resolution. Everybody has their opinion, and are entitled to express it. I don't use the hack, and have no need for it. I do however, like pop tarts.

Big D5 02-23-2009 09:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychef (Post 728146)
First Sorry Coz, i know im fresh off of a suspension but its really a valid question...

warez /weirz/ A term used by software pirates use to describe a cracked game or application that is made available to the Internet, usually via FTP.

how is supplying a cab or reg edit for ICS not the same thing... people are blatantly saying "i dont wanna pay for it, how can i get this for free"

setting a reg edit up to change from PAM to SPRINT is no different than offering a crack for a program..

ill openly admit to using wmwifi, and not paying sprint.. what can i say, ive broken most laws, so i dont really care.. im not here to argue our moral stands on the issues.. im just saying, theres no differnce..

ARE WE NOT PROVIDING A WORK AROUND SOLUTION TO A SERVICE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSE TO BE PAYING FOR?????? how is this any differnt than a "crack" for something?

i think maybe im just tired of reading 10 new posts a day abotu tethering.. i think if we have it, we have, so that cant really change.. however i think it needs to be a banned topic now(since were not about to start posting pics of biling statements to prove we pay for it).. mostly because again, whats the difference between supposed warez and tethering.. and again, i hate seeing all the neewbie posts over it...

i honestly think everything about tethering should be removed... or if were gonna keep allowing tons of posts over and over about it, atleast make tethering its own forum and keep everything in 1 place..
Well let me try to explain it to you when you purchase a program I will use SPB Mobile shell for an example you sign an agreement no to distribute the software. By checking the box you are assuming legal liability that if you distribute the software you can be held to the letter of the agreement. When one of the bright minds in this forum makes a reg edit that allows you to tether your device and cabs it up for distribution there is no written agreement attached to that software so we are within our rights to distribute it. Now if you choose to use it you are breaking your agreement with your carrier but that has nothing to do with PPCGeeks and this website. If there is something wrong with anything posted on this web site we are notified and forced to remove it so why hasn't PPCGeeks been notified by Sprint to remove the tethering cabs?

IMHO you started this thread because you were "fresh off of a suspension" and now you are seeking some sort of twisted vindication for your situation. Your snappy thread that started such a great debate wont change the way thing are because PPCGeeks has every right to host the tethering cab files, bottom line it is the user that is in violation of the rules by using it.

Hafrust 02-23-2009 09:51 PM
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You just can't argue with The Voice of Reason...

crazychef 02-23-2009 09:53 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by schettj (Post 733714)
I know. It's kinda sad really, because it is completely different.

One is a software, the other is a service. See the difference between software and service? Note, they are different words, with a long and unambiguous difference in meaning. At no time in history has "service" ever meant, or been a synonym for "software".

And yet you cannot grasp this difference.

It's kinda depressing.

Hey, just for fun, do you tether? Do you have a PAM plan? How often do you tether? As a % of your data use in a month, how much would you say is tethering?

Me, I don't. I hooked the TP up and verified it worked, because in a emergency should I somehow find myself somewhere in the universe where I had to do something with the internet that I could not do ON my phone, but that I just HAD to do right away, then I would do it. But I never seem to find myself there. So...

I have tethered 2 times in the past 4 weeks, for about 3 minutes. I ran a speed test. It represented .01% of my total data use for that plan period. (1 time 4 weeks ago, 1 time earlier today to verify that nothing changed due to this topic)

How about you?
no whats depressing is how all of you, wont validate ics being software that takes outside interference to be run properly on our devices.. which it clearly does,, MS, NOR SPRINT allow you to use this software in this manner, without paying you due fees..

edufur 02-23-2009 10:08 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychef (Post 733868)
no whats depressing is how all of you, wont validate ics being software that takes outside interference to be run properly on our devices.. which it clearly does,, MS, NOR SPRINT allow you to use this software in this manner, without paying you due fees..
You obviously have not looked at some of the lockdown capabilities MS and others are capable of. MS DOES allow you to do it... merely by examining its simplicity. Geez... who put the quarter in you anyway? Maybe you should become a lobbyist. Now... what kind of pop tarts do you like?

coolwhip1220 02-23-2009 10:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edufur (Post 733892)
You obviously have not looked at some of the lockdown capabilities MS and others are capable of. MS DOES allow you to do it... merely by examining its simplicity. Geez... who put the quarter in you anyway? Maybe you should become a lobbyist. Now... what kind of pop tarts do you like?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And that, right there, is what I call the last word.

schettj 02-23-2009 10:15 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychef (Post 733868)
no whats depressing is how all of you, wont validate ics being software that takes outside interference to be run properly on our devices.. which it clearly does,, MS, NOR SPRINT allow you to use this software in this manner, without paying you due fees..
LOL.

You really really don't have a clue. Sprint does not charge for the ICS software. It has NOTHING to do with software.

It's not a software issue.

Even if you want it to be, it's not.

crazychef 02-23-2009 10:36 PM
Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D5 (Post 733859)
Well let me try to explain it to you when you purchase a program I will use SPB Mobile shell for an example you sign an agreement no to distribute the software. By checking the box you are assuming legal liability that if you distribute the software you can be held to the letter of the agreement. When one of the bright minds in this forum makes a reg edit that allows you to tether your device and cabs it up for distribution there is no written agreement attached to that software so we are within our rights to distribute it. Now if you choose to use it you are breaking your agreement with your carrier but that has nothing to do with PPCGeeks and this website. If there is something wrong with anything posted on this web site we are notified and forced to remove it so why hasn't PPCGeeks been notified by Sprint to remove the tethering cabs?

IMHO you started this thread because you were "fresh off of a suspension" and now you are seeking some sort of twisted vindication for your situation. Your snappy thread that started such a great debate wont change the way thing are because PPCGeeks has every right to host the tethering cab files, bottom line it is the user that is in violation of the rules by using it.
um your wrong... heres sprints policy on copyrighten materials..
You may not otherwise use, reproduce, download, store, post, broadcast, transmit, modify, sell or make available to the public content without the prior written approval of Sprint.

heres some things from MS' site: 1.
Just because a work does not include a copyright notice (e.g., © 2006 Microsoft Corporation) does not mean the work is in the public domain. Copyright notices are generally not required for works to be protected by copyright.
2.
Just because a work is easily available on the internet or elsewhere does not mean you may use the work freely
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Copyright law is different from the law of personal property. If you buy a physical object, such as a movie on DVD, or why not i our case a cell phone, you own the physical object. You do not, however, obtain ownership of the “copyrights” (the rights to make copies, distribute, make derivatives and publicly perform or display) in the content of the movie. The fact that you have obtained physical possession of a DVD does not automatically grant you the right to copy or share it.

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The following is provided for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. If you need legal advice, contact a lawyer.

What is copyright?

Copyright law protects original works, such as websites, books, music, paintings, photos and video. um wheres the word "software" everyones hiding behind?? a bOOK, painting, photos, videos is hardly software...A work is “original” if it contains some elements you created and did not borrow from others. Typically, when you create an original work, you own the copyright.
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were not creating an original work, because we are borrowing the original works from a copyrighten program(ICS), that u had to borrow from MS?SPRINT?HTC(whoever u feel like hiding behind)and we dont own the copyright too..

so dont you see, applying a reg edit or cab file to someone elses original work(MS' ICS in this case), makes it a issue of copyright infringement


so guess what, Thats MS and Sprint saying you cant manipulate anything that they own the copyright too, otherwise your violating Copyright Law..

coolwhip1220 02-23-2009 10:39 PM
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I vote for reinstating the ban...and not just for there being entirely too much highlighting in that last post.

Big D5 02-23-2009 10:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychef (Post 733949)
um your wrong... heres sprints policy on copyrighten materials..
You may not otherwise use, reproduce, download, store, post, broadcast, transmit, modify, sell or make available to the public content without the prior written approval of Sprint.

heres some things from MS' site: 1.
Just because a work does not include a copyright notice (e.g., © 2006 Microsoft Corporation) does not mean the work is in the public domain. Copyright notices are generally not required for works to be protected by copyright.
2.
Just because a work is easily available on the internet or elsewhere does not mean you may use the work freely
-------------------------------------
Copyright law is different from the law of personal property. If you buy a physical object, such as a movie on DVD, or why not i our case a cell phone, you own the physical object. You do not, however, obtain ownership of the “copyrights” (the rights to make copies, distribute, make derivatives and publicly perform or display) in the content of the movie. The fact that you have obtained physical possession of a DVD does not automatically grant you the right to copy or share it.

----------------------------------------------------------
The following is provided for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. If you need legal advice, contact a lawyer.

What is copyright?

Copyright law protects original works, such as websites, books, music, paintings, photos and video. um wheres the word "software" everyones hiding behind?? a bOOK, painting, photos, videos is hardly software...A work is “original” if it contains some elements you created and did not borrow from others. Typically, when you create an original work, you own the copyright.
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were not creating an original work, because we are borrowing the original works from a copyrighten program(ICS), that u had to borrow from MS?SPRINT?HTC(whoever u feel like hiding behind)and we dont own the copyright too..

so dont you see, applying a reg edit or cab file to someone elses original work(MS' ICS in this case), makes it a issue of copyright infringement


so guess what, Thats MS and Sprint saying you cant manipulate anything that they own the copyright too, otherwise your violating Copyright Law..
Did I strike a nerve :)

This off topic rant ends this debate.


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