Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

no yur carrier chooses yur phone features in a sense.. in this case youd be talking about the radio.. anyone know if thats falls under htc?

your carrier can tell the manufacturer what they dnt want on they device they wish to brand.. like the FM feature possibly, maybe sorint didnt wanna deal with this so opted for it not to be avaible to us.. that no diff than blocking your ability to use GPS...

i know sprint atleast didnt offically unlock winmo ohones for gps usgage, until th 6.1 release... they had every right, not to allow us to use that feature

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

i'm gonna try to get this thread back on track. i've never tethered before and just tried to do it. and it doesn't work. so if i use the ics hack which means i am going around not paying sprint $15/month for pam then how is ics not a ware?

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"sprint reserves the right to make changes to your plan, with or without our knowledge, im pretty sure the fine print will read..

and biz accounts, that exactly who the new AE plan with included PHONE as MOdem for 149.99 is for...and guess what 5gb cap.

your outdated TOS agreement in a little booklet that came with your phone may not mention this change but, no matter what data plan, service you use.. there is no true "unlimited everything" after july 08, all those website dog sprint for limiting the everything plan..

the fact is sprint can change your terms as they see fit, whenever they want, and without consequence.. and the first time you pay a bill after that change happens you are now agreeing to the new TOS agreement..

look at the cap their about to put on limiting asruion claims to 3 per 12 months period.. it even says "once you pay your bill, after those changes go into effect, your agreeeing to the new terms... your not gonna be grandfathered in so to speak under some old term you think your entitled to

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

i think the warez point honestly is un winable for either side... however that doesnt mean we shouldnt ban the topic... based on the fact that in both instances of warez and tethering(without proper plan) are both stealing in nature.. so its the same 2 evils of stealing, its just debatable are we merely only stealing a service, or are we in fact are we stealin service and manipulaing software to gain access..

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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=56543

ROTFLMAO

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wait why is that thread funny

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cuz hes blantly asking if he pays for wmwifi instead does that alieviate him from needing to pay sprint...


but gotta get the kid from school and off to dance class...

im sure ill be back to pages and pages of unread posts.. yippie lol

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because no matter how much anyone fgoes to bat on either side of this there will always be a way to get it and there will always be people asking for it. that thread made this one kinda useless. seeing as how IT WILL NOT STOP ANYONE FROM ALLWAYS TRYING TO GET STUFF FOR FREE!

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alright everyone hide until he comes back! we'll surprise him with cake

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exactly. so you know if theres a way around somthing people will likly try and go that route.

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LMAO that was very much needed. you fricken ROCK :headbang:

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LMAO, just watch the ICSing, gets him ansy. :mrgreen:

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ooooo nice one. Clever. see even with a great debate everyone can also have a little fun without being nasty towards one another.

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

Without being nasty to one another? What thread have you been reading?

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hahahahah, that took me a second to get

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Let's act like adults so no one has to take a time out, please.

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You're using the Palm? Looks like you'll need to pay or search how to enable ICS which Palm disables in their ROM. That has nothing to do with this thread, so it's still not on track.

I'm using a Touch Pro, which HTC nor Sprint disable ICS in the stock ROM. I have connected it to my Linux laptop via USB and confirmed that launching the bundled ICS application in the Stock sprint rom and tapping CONNECT does indeed connect ICS, and gives my laptop a RNDIS connection.

I verified the connection as working, ran a speed test, and then disconnected it.

I have not repeated the test until just now. It still works.

I have no use for it, but its possible.

To actually get back to the real point of this thread:

Legally all US based forums must self-police to conform to the DMCA Title II provision, which covers specifically
Telling someone "change such and such registry value from DUN to SPRINT" is not linking to or providing access to infringing material. Creating a CAB that applies a registry edit and linking to that also does not provide access to infringing material.

Beyond that, what is and is not allowed is at the discretion of the website owner, and is laid out clearly in the Stickies at the top of the Forum Rules section

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

And that's the answer.

For the 15000th time.

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

I don't get it.

WmWifiRouter (as a product) is NOT designed to "get around PAM" - it is designed to bridge your wireless data link on your phone into a WIFI access point. So you can share the connection with

* multiple devices
* devices with wifi but without BT or USB
* devices without the need for a USB cable

It is commercial software. It's up to you to ensure you are not violating your TOS by using it.

Do you really not understand that?

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

shett, read the first two pages and btw i have a pro. my 700wx is long deceased. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=41614

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Thanks for posting this, a great back story to the evo of a great app. Lol where was this link 100 posts ago. Look at what happened to the thread. :p

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

theres a difference between letter of the law, and spirit of the law.. the letter of the law is - warez copyrighted software is illegal to distribute without permission of the author

the spirit of the law says it is wrong to tether sprints service without adding phone as a modem to your plan

basically, there is no LETTER of US (or any country) law stating its illegal to give proof of concept knowledge on how to circumvent sprint and tether off your phone, it may be unethical, it may seem wrong, but there is nothing illegal about spreading this information

copyrighted software remains illegal, however.

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

I'm not using WmWifiRouter, why should I read that again?

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Exactly. Now my $.02...........

http://movementarian.com/wp-content/...e_internet.jpg

I use the reg edit. Can we call this thread what it is? The OP posting a "legitamate question", not looking for an argument? Really? No, all the OP wants to do is argue. Tethering is like his kryptonite, I've read his posts in many a tethering thread, it is his pet peeve. He hates that fact that there's 20 threads a day on the subject, and is looking to vent, or find a reason why the mods should not allow them at all.

And yes, I agree with you that using the reg edit is stealing. Using a service and not paying for it is stealing IMO. But am I going to continue to do it. Hell yes, with a big ole smile on my face.

But crazychef, don't say you don't weren't trying to start an arguement....you've responded to almost every thread where someone disagrees with you and in many respond in a pretty degrading manner. What are you looking to get out of this thread? Is there even a f'n point to it anymore?

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there is something about ics. i am not posting things just to keep fighting. the op asked and now i am asking what the difference is. i don't care about the stealing and all that, to each his own. but i tried to hook my phone(pro) to a lappy and selected phone as modem and it didn't work.

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

Pilot error? Who knows. I had no trouble with it. Others don't either. But some do.

Could be anything. And I'm not fighting, just trying to answer this question. The question keeps changing every time I answer it, but I'm game.

One good thing came out of this, we all should be more diligent about mentioning that TOS disclaimer, if only to be sure folks who do start tethering w/o PAM do so with full knowledge that they may be violating their TOS. Because clearly people don't understand that.

Beyond that, it's not up to me police others. They're grownups, they can make their own choices.

I choose life!

;)

Shall we beat this dead horse some more? I think I still see a bit of tail hair over here...

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naw my man, stick a fork in me. but i have enjoyed the conversation and i might come back and visit this thread if it doesn't get closed.

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i say we hijack this thread and talk about pop-tarts... or petition that it get closed.

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And so the PAM crusades begin!

ICS hacking/tethering is like downloading mp3's. Most of the people here do it and most of the time the companies don't care or look for it. Doesn't make it any less wrong, but to most of us it's just like, whatever, who cares. Just so long as you're not one of the unlucky ones to get axed.

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

the hack is legit and necessary if you are paying for PAM + using a custom ROM. If using stock / PAM, tethering works... but if you overwrite stock + PAM with cooked + NO ICS, tethering will not work unless you take extra steps. this is really just the most convenient way. bottom line... not illegal to build in the capability... and ONLY a matter of ethics and service contract beyond that.

NOW.... lets talk about pop-tarts.

NO... lets shut this mutha down.

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I really like the Brown Sugar and Cinnamon Pop Tarts.

I really dislike members like the OP who post threads because they just want to stir the sh*t up and cause problems.

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why even join that fight, there is a topic at hand here

we may get a little rowdy, but we all know its not personal

right, and creating that bridge yourself, or by using any other means to do so other than adding the proper plan from sprint, is a clear violation of TOS and stealing services from sprint.. which countless numbers of you have also pointed out as well.. your all saying you know what your doing is wrong, but i dont care... poor logic, doesnt justify stealing..

and with the highlighted section, you right its up to each one of us as individuals to make sure we dont violate our carriers TOS, expect we all openly admit we are in fact knoweldegable to the fact the were are actually violating our TOS, and in fact encouraging others to violate their carriers TOS as well..

so as long as you, or you, or you, or you....or you are the ones that DONT get in trouble screw it, lets go ahead and set as many people up with this as possible, lets attempt to make neewbies the fall guys for our trangressions.. hey maybe if i get more people to use this stuff, maybe itll lesson the odds "i"/"me"/"we" get caught, or atleast itll take longer..

right, noone really cares if their actions really brought down some heat onto PPC, because in fact, were all about ourselves, not the community we try to say were interseted in keeping as a site of integrity.. and by continuing to allow this kinda of behavior, esecially when again, everyone admits they know its wrong, "but who cares", were making this site anything but a place of integrity..

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

if you cooked an incompatible ROM, hows that the carrier fault that now you have to cheat the system to get their service which if you didnt custom the ROM a simple upgrade to your plan would allow...

if your doin ROM flashes, you cant make it the carriers fault that their programs dont work with your rom... their stuff is designed to run off their ROMS... im not really against flashing.. im just saying if you willing chose to flash a rom, that doesnt have access to certain software, thats your fault and in no way the carriers, nor does it give you the right, to hack and steal the services you cant obtain due to your unathorized rom flash

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I like those too. My favorite is the S'mores though.

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Except with Phone-as-Modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device.

how is sprint implying that any other way to connect besides a PAM PLAN, is in fact acceptable...

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to cause problems?? for who, the people benefitting from the forementioned hacks??? sorry if im spoiling your/our party, but do i not have the right to open a thread and ask questions?? i believe thats all i did here...

coz was here fellas, and made no real offical stand on the matter other than the laws change all the time, basically saying who knows, maybe this is, maybe this isnt..

and i believe since i was just rule infracted some days ago, he definitely would of let me know i wasnt really handling things properly...

when are you NAY-SAYERS gonna ask each other, why im also being yelled at and deamend by you all as well..

you dont understand, im a man, and admit my faults, and that im not perfect just like none of you are... i have no probs, taking your shots in stride, however, if you cant handle what u dish out, then leave the topic..

if all u have to talk about is pop tarts and how big a douche i am.. lets ask coz, if your flammin and making usless posts.. cuz u most certainly are..

there is a topic, stick to it, or chose not to participate.. dont make the choice to violate your agreement with the site here by blantly being rude, especially when no topic relevance is involved...

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

Coz was indeed here and what Coz said (I like referring to myself in the 3rd person) is that if we (PPCGeeks) are asked to take down anything we will comply.

Coz did not comment on the moral/ethical/legal questions that are posed in this thread. That is up to each one of us to consider when in the privacy of our own homes.

But Coz will say this: We've all done stuff that others would consider morally wrong, ethically wrong, or flat-out illegal.

PPCGeeks is a site on the internet to discuss our phones. If you're here to find moral and ethical guidance in your life regarding such trivial matters as:

Sprint data caps
ICS
PAM
Wifirouter, etc.

then perhaps there are other issues in your life that should be addressed and discussed with your family, friends, pastor, priest, counselor, etc.

Coz always signs his posts like this:

late,
Coz

Re: Warez Vs. Tethering
 

The fact of the matter is that what you are doing is finding a way around being billed by Sprint for a service that they sell. Legally speaking that means that you are stealing. Ethically speaking, well I don't think that matters to you. The same goes for the moral issues at hand.

I can tell you that I absolutely do not use the ICS hack because I would never want to get caught. To me it is not worth the price that you have to pay. So I choose to pay for the service via a data card for my laptop.

If you choose not too, that is fine. But to me, you started the whole thread with an attitude. You threw out a topic that you had to have known was going to cause a debate, albeit heated or not. And to me, that was not only not necessary, but indeed rather malicious in motive.

I for one never demeaned you but rather stated that I disliked people like you start threads like this to cause nothing more than chaos. And my opinion has only become stronger by reading your comments. I also never claimed to be perfect... I am far from it. Though I do know and try to live by what is right whether I like it or if it is convenient for me.

And as for your topic relevance, let me try to break it down for you. You can call it what you want, but if you are getting something for free that a company is charging for, then you are stealing. That is the plain and simple truth. If you don't believe me than call Sprint and ask them if they are ok with what you are doing with your phone and the reg hacks. Just make sure that you give them your account information before you ask, so that they can note your account of the theft and fraud.

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so if i bring up a topic for discussion, that may or may not get heated, i have some malicious intent??? my intent here was to get the subject banned and removed... what wrong with that??

so are u for or against me, becuase im on the side of the argument that says were stealing, most everyone else desnt wanat to admit that..

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+1 for BS & Cinnamon:mrgreen:

Anyway,

It wasn't that bad of topic actually. I thought it was informative for all though his reception of the answers was a up hill battle (unusually mascochistic IMHO :scratch:).

His responses may not have been 100% right but he was right to question it.
I enjoyed debating this.

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Greatly said RainFreak and Coz...

For all those that are interested, is what is proposed here not cheating and stealing?

Should not ALL discussion about any edits, programs, or activities that change the phone being banned and deleted? Are we not all guilty of (illegally) modifying our phones by changing the registry? Are we wrong for wanting to improve our phones? Should we all not be banned for wanting to change our phones like so, since it is voiding the licensing agreement with Microsoft? Mike should be sent to jail then! And Coz? Throw him in a Mexican prison, for he is guilty? What about Juggalo_X, Conflippers, Hibby, etc. that create custom ROM's? All that should be removed from this site then too! Heck, we should all buy non-smart phones, since the ability to "cheat" the system is much less a possibility? Wait... Why not we all use 2 can's and a shoe string to communicate with each other?

And this is on topic, Mr. Crazy, since I am discussing the "illegal posting of warez-like stuff" on this site..

At least move this to the off-topic forum.. Watch and see how many less posts are added to this...