Warez Vs. Tethering

[z28marols1]

Why oh why are you arguing so hard on the side of the carriers? You could argue A LOT against using cooked roms and such since it is modification of the licensed version of windows mobile which i'm sure if you read through the agreement with MS would be a violation. So is that gonna be your next crusade? You could probably argue more than half the stuff that is talked about on this forum on way or another. It's pointless. Even in a court of law the victim has to press charges and actually go against the violator. As such, if sprint doesnt hold PPCGeeks acountable for having this on the site, this conversation is irrelevant.

Also, warez, getting paid SOFTWARE for free, is blatant violation of federal and international COPYRIGHT LAWS, as is hosting said cracked software on a site. Breaking your TOS is a breach of contract between you and your provider, nobody else; and it is not in violation of any law to discuss or even post instructions on how to breach a contract. If you can show me a LAW that we are breaking by discussing and posting ICS hacks please do, and I will yield.

I pay sprint every month and have for years. All i ask is that i get to use my phone for what its capable of (which the new CEO of sprint loves talking about in his commercials) in return for the money i send them.

[MoonZ*BabysH]

Originally Posted by crazychef

im not trying to prove anything, look around, im alla round this site, these past 2 days posting on other things.. im asking a question over here... its not like im forcing anyone to come here and say anything.. and im going about my life on the other things that go on here...

the only reason i apologize in my opening is 1) i knew this would be a good topic for discussion and would stir up some good points for both sides.. 2) i didnt want this to be mistaken as some sort of protest for my other actions.. whats why a few posts back i said i got what i deserved if i violated proper member conduct quidelines by offending someone..

as for the change of heart, its a debate, you chose a side, didnt bill clinton have a "war on drugs" yet he smoked pot in college and who know what he did or was doing...

anyone ever taken debate class before? i havent, by the Great Debaters was awesome.. in a debate, you take a stand based on information available to you, not personal opinions, you chose which side of the argument you feel is the winning side of the argument...

im a preachers son, raised in church... defiant lil *astard i was... i once in sunday school had ot debate GOD vs Satan.. it wasnt my choice but by coin toss, i had to argue the Pro Satan/Anti God side of the issue.. didnt that make me anyless of a christian for having an intelligent argument, nope..

and i ask this since i agree i am a bit hypocritical here, but can a preacher not preach the works of god, because every man in fact has a sin nature, and if thats true of every man, how is a preacher not a hypocrite when hes teaching you to be "god-like"

please lets not really talk about religion..PLEASE.. its just an example of fighting for a cause when you yurself are at fault for the same thing

like i said i agreed with you in the first place but i needed more from you for your statements to carry more wieght seeing as how i dont use wifirouter and you do ,and this last post of yours was humbling, its what i was trying to get out of you i the first place. beside the preachy stuff though lol but good point. preach on brother preach

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by moonzbabysh

Contradiction to prove a point is still contradiction.

do u just not get it??? if im saying use the hacks, why would i try to stand against roms... but roms arent stealing a service, there no ROM store to buy from, or liscenses, or plans that provide access to be able to buy create and ditribute your own thats being worked around... that why i think its ok..

for one ive never flashed rom in life except the offical wm6.1 upgrade from sprint on my titan.. i dont know that i feel thats wrong, again, warez is about money, nothing about modding your rom is takin money away from anyone... with tha being said, if ROMing isnt bad though, why does it have to be hidden that you do it from the carrier???

but i am pointing out that were doing something wrong, i mean who honestly, genuinly thinks their not being deceitful in using these methods... we all know were suppose to be paying for this type of pc/laptop interaction with our phones... and even more people are gonna say, "well i dont think im doing anything wrong" when its clearly been pointed out every user was wel aware of the fact the they had the option, whether a price buster or not, to gain this tethering service in this fashion, through the use of additional fees being paid to your cell carrier..

[cruiser78]

Originally Posted by crazychef

this is from your link... Link. Therefore, a new application, Internet Sharing, is now available. The following features included:

• USB tethering or Microsoft Bluetooth stack support.
• Connection sharing so that a mobile device and a remote device that is connected to the mobile device can share the connection to the Internet.
• Radio features such as suspend/resume and simultaneous voice and data can be used.

Partner Requirements: The USB interface requires an INF file similar to the one that is used for Modem Link today. This INF file requires a unique ID to differentiate it from the ActiveSync USB connection. This application is an optional package.

now what about this is MS saying your carrier doesnt have the right not to make this unavailble to you??

where in any of the TOS' we've posted does it say anything other than your not suppose to be using a standard unlimited data plan to connect/tether this way? because their is a paid way, MIKE(TELUS) and PAM(SPRINT) to do so..

The .inf file that differentiates the modem link from an Active Sync connection over USB is just a driver file for a different function of the phone. The driver is included with the CD in the box. It's not a driver you only get when you subscribe to a PAM plan. The computer doesn't see the phone as a phone when it's in "modem mode" so that why the difference. It wasn't designed to require a different driver so that the carriers could require a special program or plan to tether.

[z28marols1]

It has to be hidden from your carrier only for warranty purposes. They will just claim that becuase you are not using thier software you broke your phone yourself.

[DarkLord]

Originally Posted by schettj

Can you show me that crack again? Because there is no crack for Sprint that I know of. ICS comes bundled with the stock rom and works out of the box in the shipped rom.

We've been over this 1000 times and you keep making this claim without backing it up.

Yes, running the software that ships with the device violates the TOS, but it does not involve any liability to PPCGeeks.

ah. i see we're back at it this morning. well hello all and welcome back to the fun.

in the older phones there was most definately a crack. a reg edit had to be done. that's no secret. now i've been told as of last nite, that on the moguls and touch pros ICS works right out of the box. and as i verified twice last nite, sprint doesn't even offer ICS for purshase on certain plans (like the one i'm on) so i've decided to steal it, plain and simple. f- 'em.

now that being said. Whether or not ICS works out of the box is irrevelant. the fact of the matter is that there is an additional charge of $15/month for the service. and if ICS works out of the box or someone uses a crack to access it, if the person isn't paying for it then he/she is stealing it. which is the exact purpose of warez. to steal software. and at the end of the day, that's where we are.

[sorge]

Well Phone As Modem is included in my employee plan, so I guess that makes me ok

Edit: Not to mention when I got my Touch with WM 6.0 tethering was already to go with stock software, although 6.1 software got rid of that.

[z28marols1]

Dont forget what this arguement is about, whether or not we can DISCUSS stealing said SERVICE (not software). To properly equate discussing and posting ICS hacks to posting warez, one would have to allow all of us to connect to the internet using their 1 internet connection over their phone.


EDIT: I do like the fact that valid points against banning are completely ignored.

[crazychef]

Originally Posted by z28marols1

Why oh why are you arguing so hard on the side of the carriers? You could argue A LOT against using cooked roms and such since it is modification of the licensed version of windows mobile which i'm sure if you read through the agreement with MS would be a violation. So is that gonna be your next crusade? You could probably argue more than half the stuff that is talked about on this forum on way or another. It's pointless. Even in a court of law the victim has to press charges and actually go against the violator. As such, if sprint doesnt hold PPCGeeks acountable for having this on the site, this conversation is irrelevant.

Also, warez, getting paid SOFTWARE for free, is blatant violation of federal and international COPYRIGHT LAWS, as is hosting said cracked software on a site. Breaking your TOS is a breach of contract between you and your provider, nobody else; and it is not in violation of any law to discuss or even post instructions on how to breach a contract. If you can show me a LAW that we are breaking by discussing and posting ICS hacks please do, and I will yield.

I pay sprint every month and have for years. All i ask is that i get to use my phone for what its capable of (which the new CEO of sprint loves talking about in his commercials) in return for the money i send them.

can u post keygens, cracks,serials, or posting anything about getting paid software for free??? your not actually providing the cracked software, just the means to do so.. so im guessing the laws that apply here, apply in my arument as well.. posting the ICS hack is no differnet than supplyng the means to do so with any other software thats supposed to be paid for..

[Rabid_Gypsy]

Ok, first Mike is the walkie-talkie cell phone system on Telus and I'm still unsure why that was brought up in the first place, it isn't a data system. Second, ICS is perfectly fine and not warez on Telus effective the 25th, if they can detect tethering as they indicated to me, if I use it without a pre-set plan, I get an outrageous $8/MB fee. By your deffinition if I'm paying for the service it's not warez. WModem did work out of the box, other than installing drivers onto my computer (that came with the phone). I'm pretty sure that WModem and ICS are the same program. Finally, why would you use religion as and example if you don't want it brought up, I'm not going into it, but use a different example if you don't want someone else to talk about it. I get it, you just want to debate people, but I've seen a few really good points that you dismiss without really explaining why. I agree that the exerpt from the Telus' TOS doesn't say anything to give the impression that they even care about tethering, if they did it would have been mentioned directly... You are not allowed to share the data connection with any other unit... Although it is written in lawyer, us dummies have to be able to understand it too.