windows 7: iphone series (2 steps forward, 3 steps back)

[skoobz]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

Netscape was waaaaaaay ahead of internet explorer in the early days. Good thing you weren't running Microsoft back then.

What if I don't like the one they make for your grandma or the one they make for you? Should they make three? How about four? How about hundreds of versions just to be safe!

sure, i'd like that. we have 40 versions of windows 7 desktop os, ranging from starter to gigantor ultima darth greyskull edition---why not use that same strategy in our phones?

of course we're bashing the damn os, it does exactly the same thing the iphone does. you're missing the freakin' point which is the things we love about the old broken os is no more. how the hell do you expect us to embrace the very thing we loathe?

[Tim Smith]

I love how all these so called "loyal" users are so quick to jump ship several months before a product is even launched or the public has a chance to get it's hands on it. Doesn't sound to loyal to me.

[whetzel]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

I love how all these so called "loyal" users are so quick to jump ship several months before a product is even launched or the public has a chance to get it's hands on it. Doesn't sound to loyal to me.

Personally, for me, I've seen/heard enough about it to know it's not what I want in a smart phone.

I have about 9 months before I can upgrade my phone, so I'll actually get to see WM7 before I make my final decision, but I'm 98% sure I'll be buying an Android phone for my next phone.

The only reason I didn't buy an Android phone instead of my TP2 is because Android was still pretty new when I got it and I wanted to see the direction Android was going to take before I "jumped ship".

So far I'm really liking the direction Android is going and, in my opinion, Android has already passed WM in pretty much every area and it's only going to get better in the coming months/years.

[Existentialism]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

I love how all these so called "loyal" users are so quick to jump ship several months before a product is even launched or the public has a chance to get it's hands on it. Doesn't sound to loyal to me.

Loyalty to a brand is idiotic. You use what's best and what works, and so far WM7 looks like $#!# compared to android and WM 6.5

As far as the guy who is saying this is purely a business move. How is coming out with a dumbass phone that can't do things the other big competitors on the market make any sense from a merketing perspective. You know what makes sense. Coming out with a better goddamn product and marketing the hell out of the fact that your phone can do everything the competitor can't. Like say, I don't know, Multi-tasking? Copy and Paste? Extra storage? Side loading of apps? File management? Customisability?

Next thing we'll be hearing is MS is banning hardware manufacturers from providing access to the batteries, because they wouldn't want us stupid ass users lessening our experience by attempting something like changing a battery.

[Tim Smith]

Originally Posted by Existentialism

Like say, I don't know, Multi-tasking? Copy and Paste? Extra storage? Side loading of apps? File management? Customisability?

First of all, the copy and paste thing: http://twitter.com/thurrott/statuses/10593003663 but people will ignore this and continue to overreact.

Second. Multitasking, define multitasking. Extra storage? Why would you need it if the phone comes with 32gb or 64gb internal storage or more? File management is there. You just have to use the Zune software to do it supposedly (I still want to see this put to the test to confirm specifically what this means), not the best way but it works just fine with the Zune. How do you know how limited the customization will be? Just another instance of overreacting. Wait until reviewers get their hands on it, that will clear up a lot of this bullshit. Then once it's launched if you don't think the mod/hack community won't open that shit up you're crazy. There hasn't been anything announced worth freaking out and panicking over.

[daoom]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

I love how all these so called "loyal" users are so quick to jump ship several months before a product is even launched or the public has a chance to get it's hands on it. Doesn't sound to loyal to me.

Who said anything about loyalty. I use a winmo device at the moment because it allows me to do what I want and I'm just a small shove away from jumping ship to an Android or Linux based device.

If the new OS is locked and limits you the way the iPhone does then I'll find something else because I don't want an iPhone. If on the other hand the limits are only superficial and meant to keep my dad from messing up his phone while I can still "unlock it" (much as we do now with our phones) and exploit it to my heart's content then I'll be happy.

[Tim Smith]

So basically you want microsoft to never build a new mobile OS. You just want them to keep tweaking 6.5 forever? You've completely given up on the OS before it's even completed or shown outside of a couple early conferences. At least wait until reviewers get a hold of it before you freak out and overreact.

[u8myfoood]

The point of WP7 was to ADD on additional features, WHILE RETAINING old features that loyalist love about the phone's O/S. Instead MS decided to just screw with us and add features that seem nice at first then took away the stuff that separated WM6.5 from the iPhone.

And by multitasking I would prefer being able to open my gps program, minimize it, browse the web/bing to check out movie times, while streaming music on it, without closing each one and loading every time i want to use another app.

[testacon]

Originally Posted by Tim Smith

So basically you want microsoft to never build a new mobile OS. You just want them to keep tweaking 6.5 forever? You've completely given up on the OS before it's even completed or shown outside of a couple early conferences. At least wait until reviewers get a hold of it before you freak out and overreact.

Sure I don't mind if they create a whole new OS, what I do mind though is that the new implementation lacks what the old currently has i.e. removable flash, copy/paste, file system access, multitasking and open platform for starters. They couldn't even clone the feature set of the current iPhone OS, they chose to run with something more primitive and doesn't support copy/paste. I'm supposed to be happy that they stole Apples ideology, attempted to cloned their business practices and botched the basic function that Windows is supposed to provide? Epic fail on their part IMO, it shouldn't even be called Windows at all. Everything that made this platform unique like a desktop computer is basically stripped away leaving some new shell of an OS.

For all the Apple bashing that goes on in these forums, I can't believe that more of you aren't as ed as I am. Some of you are even defending Microsoft--shame on you, we should be bashing them right now before release. Look what complaining did to the end of life of Windows XP. They caved over and over again for almost 18 additional months. All they seem to care about right now is the cell phone providers and not the end users. I can't wait until all you Microsoft "fanboys" find out the amount of apps that'll probably be rejected. We can see her lips through that burka or the carriers say, wah too much bandwidth--remove it from your app store and MS says, "yes sir!".

Welcome to the dark ages of fascist cell phone dictatorship...

[frazell]

I really think Microsoft is gambling really hard. They are doing what no one else in the industry was dumb enough to do. They copied Apple in every way almost in an attempt to capture the new consumer market...

On paper is sounds like a great idea. Apple has sold millions of them on one carrier and continues to sell them. By copying them with the ability to be on all carriers you might stand a chance at doing some real sales...

Problem is I don't think Microsoft has what Apple has. Microsoft can't come out with a "me too" device and get it to sell like hot cakes. Apple has a unique brand identity (cool, hip, and iconic) that Microsoft lacks. The core users like us who fuel Android* and Windows Mobile currently will drop Windows Phone 7 Series for Android or RIM. Microsoft has to get some serious traction in the consumer market for this to work. As they basically have to sell enough to replace us and to exceed us by a LARGE number. VERY VERY risky.

The argument that Microsoft has to ditch all the things we love, multi-tasking; storage cards; copy-paste; etc., to chase the consumer market is false. Google isn't having a problem chasing it and they have all of these features!

*Android is currently the fastest selling Smartphone OS in the US.

Microsoft has made a "me too" and I am very sure they will fail. If Apple allows the iPhone on more than just AT&T this June then MS is REALLY done.

Originally Posted by testacon

Sure I don't mind if they create a whole new OS, what I do mind though is that the new implementation lacks what the old currently has i.e. removable flash, copy/paste, file system access, multitasking and open platform for starters. They couldn't even clone the feature set of the current iPhone OS, they chose to run with something more primitive and doesn't support copy/paste. I'm supposed to be happy that they stole Apples ideology, attempted to cloned their business practices and botched the basic function that Windows is supposed to provide? Epic fail on their part IMO, it shouldn't even be called Windows at all. Everything that made this platform unique like a desktop computer is basically stripped away leaving some new shell of an OS.

For all the Apple bashing that goes on in these forums, I can't believe that more of you aren't as ed as I am. Some of you are even defending Microsoft--shame on you, we should be bashing them right now before release. Look what complaining did to the end of life of Windows XP. They caved over and over again for almost 18 additional months. All they seem to care about right now is the cell phone providers and not the end users. I can't wait until all you Microsoft "fanboys" find out the amount of apps that'll probably be rejected. We can see her lips through that burka or the carriers say, wah too much bandwidth--remove it from your app store and MS says, "yes sir!".

Welcome to the dark ages of fascist cell phone dictatorship...

Well said.