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Telek 12-30-2009 04:12 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nuprotocol (Post 1448516)
Exactly! Again, we're thankful for their work, but to call this method a donation is kind of ridiculous. I’m glad Mighty doesn’t allow us to install his rom ONCE and then makes us submit support tickets for additional installs. Then if we do get a second device unlocked to install his rom, he then tells us that we NEED to donate for additional installs. It’s people like that I’m TRULY thankful for b/c they are not FORCING us to contact them after the first install.

Ok, so here's a hypothetical then:

You've just spent 100 or so hours working on a tool to unlock people's phones. You have no intention of charging the general public, however a few unscrupulous people decide to take this software and use it to sell unlocked phones while charging $50 extra a pop. They make thousands of dollars of your hard work, and you don't get as much as a thank you from them.

Is it really unreasonable to put in place a mechanism to try to prevent these people from making money off of your hard work?

Granted their system seems to have some bugs in it, but what nontrivial system has ever worked on the first try?

Honestly when reading these forums and having to wade through the disguisting sense of entitlement from so many ingrates can you really blame them for taking a little while to respond to the support requests around Christmas time?

Also to those complaining about collection of "personally identifiable information" - how exactly do you figure that an IMEI (your phone's serial number) and an IP address is "personally identifiable"?

slyfox7 12-30-2009 05:50 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
payment sent - Transaction ID: 72C00339WX392764A

codybear 12-30-2009 05:55 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
I'm curious as to why we need to run in admin mode?
And why do we need to give you the IMEI?

Those two things makes me VERY uneasy about using this unlocker.

Edit: I don't mean to start anything, I'm just curious about those two points.

Telek 12-30-2009 05:59 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by codybear (Post 1449071)
I'm curious as to why we need to run in admin mode?

Most people don't have to - I didn't. EDIT: Oops - I forgot that I ran it on an XP machine because my Vista sync was screwed up. I don't know why they need it, but I suspect it may have something to do with the way that it accesses the activesync APIs to get direct access to the phone's memory and bootloader.

Quote:

And why do we need to give you the IMEI?
In order to make sure that you're not bulk unlocking phones. (and making money off of their work that is intended to be freely available)

Mastergreeny 12-30-2009 06:11 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Thanks for the Unlock!!! Donation on its way...Transaction ID: 96R545858L7101645

laymanspc 12-31-2009 06:06 AM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Telek (Post 1449088)
Most people don't have to - I didn't.

Whether you realize it or not, you did. If Vista or Windows 7, UAC (User Account Control) will toss up a prompt requesting admin access (unless you turned UAC off then it just takes the admin permissions it needs without any sort of indication a.k.a. stupid). If you have XP, then it creates all users as full time admins unless specifically set to be a limited user account at the time of the account creation.

laymanspc 12-31-2009 06:08 AM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Telek (Post 1449088)
In order to make sure that you're not bulk unlocking phones.

If these folk are the unlock police, what are they doing cracking the devices in the first place?

laymanspc 12-31-2009 06:28 AM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Telek (Post 1448707)
Ok, so here's a hypothetical then:

You've just spent 100 or so hours working on a tool to unlock people's phones. You have no intention of charging the general public, however a few unscrupulous people decide to take this software and use it to sell unlocked phones while charging $50 extra a pop. They make thousands of dollars of your hard work, and you don't get as much as a thank you from them.

Is it really unreasonable to put in place a mechanism to try to prevent these people from making money off of your hard work?

Granted their system seems to have some bugs in it, but what nontrivial system has ever worked on the first try?

Honestly when reading these forums and having to wade through the disguisting sense of entitlement from so many ingrates can you really blame them for taking a little while to respond to the support requests around Christmas time?

Also to those complaining about collection of "personally identifiable information" - how exactly do you figure that an IMEI (your phone's serial number) and an IP address is "personally identifiable"?

responses numbered as per your paragraphs

#1, They claim they're bringing more sales to the manufacturers, which may well be true until it starts coming out there is a limit of unlocks for a particular manufacturer's phones, and the limitations sometimes prevent any unlocks at all. That will severely HINDER sales as well as all the 'behind the scenes' development we currently enjoy from all these fine folk here at PPCG and other places like XDA... So if they wanna spend hundreds of hours working on something for more than legitimate donations without the strong-arm tactics, they need to find a different hobby. Doing this stuff for donation is the way it's been for all phones for all time; do some reading.

#2 yes it is unreasonable to put a mechanisim into place to prevent folk from using your work when your work is simply an alteration of someone else's work. What they are doing is no different than cracking a copy of Microsoft Windows and making a thousand copies and taking em out and selling them on a street corner.

#3 the system for all intents works perfectly, it is their strong-arm method that is flawed.

#4, The sense of entitlement is within the creators of this crack. They think they are entitled for compensation beyond that of the goodness of the average person, for doing nothing more than altering the work of HTC...

---4.5 , If they wanna pressure folk into paying, there is nothing wrong with pressuring them for support and action on the issue (action they said was coming on the 17th). They can respond within such a time frame, holiday or not. They choose not to.

#5, you really have no clue what can be done via the internet or telephone with a little social engineering and knowledge of such information do you?

prideofsimba 12-31-2009 03:42 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Downloaded the zip file (extracted it) and tried to run it and Norton AV said it infected by Bloodhound.W32E malware. Should I worry?

Thanks.

Telek 12-31-2009 04:12 PM

Re: RhodiumW CDMA Worldphone HardSPL Unlocker Release
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by prideofsimba (Post 1451576)
Downloaded the zip file (extracted it) and tried to run it and Norton AV said it infected by Bloodhound.W32E malware. Should I worry?

Thanks.

No it's a false positive. Several virus scanners overreact when they find anything that is packed or compressed inside the executable (because that is a technique that virus makers also use). It was done to try to prevent people from disassembling the crack to use it for commercial purposes.


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