+Feb 5+ *SSK 1.2 Stable* {CE OS 21109} Kitchen and ROM

[phattooth]

Originally Posted by oldman

Yes, that's true. I noticed similar results when I tested the 3 different popular radios. No difference.

My reasoning is that all these items are SOFTWARE related. The main Qualcomm 7500 chip just uses these different items to process the information. The processing chip doesn't really care where it gets it's input...it just processes the info that it receives. My guess for the WiFi/EVDO is that those items just tell the radio how to get the info...In either case, you are not turning on another piece of hardware...The phone is always active....so it's just dialing #777. The wifi connection still has to get in thru the antenna and probably passes thru the radio that sorts it all out. I tried putting the phone in the "airplane" mode to turn it off, but it also turned off the WiFi connection, so it couldn't be tested in that fashion.

Don't know how correct I am in those assumptions, but after a couple of beers, they sound reasonable.

That's why I think alot of this battery improvement with the different radios and connections is "imaginary". Every test I have run gives nearly the same results IF THE CONDITIONS ARE KEPT CONSTANT.

Bob

no no... i think you're on to something man! makes quite a bit of sense to me.
But then, maybe the beers i've had already, make the beers you've had already seem perfectly rational! JK



PS- I seem to be out of thanks for now, but i'll come back to this post when i get them back and hit ya up for sure! great leg work man!

[bast525]

since we are talking about battery life, there is one thing that REALLY irks me on this phone. Lets say I have been using the phone moderately, and battery life has dropped to 80%. Something may come up that prompts me to do a soft reset, maybe to reclaim ram or if an app has locked up. Reset the phone, and now it's showing battery life at like 40%!! That happened today when I was streaming music for a bit... battery life went from 100 to 80% in like 20 mins... then I stopped the app and did a soft reset, and battery life then showed 40. This happen to anyone else?

[oldman]

Originally Posted by bast525

since we are talking about battery life, there is one thing that REALLY irks me on this phone. Lets say I have been using the phone moderately, and battery life has dropped to 80%. Something may come up that prompts me to do a soft reset, maybe to reclaim ram or if an app has locked up. Reset the phone, and now it's showing battery life at like 40%!! That happened today when I was streaming music for a bit... battery life went from 100 to 80% in like 20 mins... then I stopped the app and did a soft reset, and battery life then showed 40. This happen to anyone else?

If the phone locks up, I can see it....everything is in Limbo
However while listening to music, my guess is that the "polling" circuit will take a low priority so as not to cause the stream to "stutter" or fail. It's only when the battery level reaches the "report" level that you would actually see a change.

I use a small app called "Batti" that puts a narrow bar along the top of the screen giving me a visual indicator of the battery level. During the test I ran for you it worked fine, going from Green, to Yellow, and finally to Red.

I have seen an alternative to that called "TBattery.exe" that I think is even smaller in size. You might want to check either or both of them out. Edit: Not the same type of "animal"...difficult to understand and follow. Batti is the one with the "bar"

Bob

[stanglifemike]

Originally Posted by bast525

since we are talking about battery life, there is one thing that REALLY irks me on this phone. Lets say I have been using the phone moderately, and battery life has dropped to 80%. Something may come up that prompts me to do a soft reset, maybe to reclaim ram or if an app has locked up. Reset the phone, and now it's showing battery life at like 40%!! That happened today when I was streaming music for a bit... battery life went from 100 to 80% in like 20 mins... then I stopped the app and did a soft reset, and battery life then showed 40. This happen to anyone else?

Happened to me too. Most of the time battery life will increase slightly after a soft reset, but a couple of times it has dropped substantially

[stanglifemike]

Originally Posted by phattooth

Still workin on that Bob... I'll try to have it squared away tomorrow if possible to do.

Thank you for working on it!! Would be awesome if you get it

[stanglifemike]

Anyone running the TF3D HD on this ROM?? I think I may give it a go at work tommorow if its slow. Looks pretty cool. I have been following the updates and there has been a lot of work put into it.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by stanglifemike

Anyone running the TF3D HD on this ROM?? I think I may give it a go at work tommorow if its slow. Looks pretty cool. I have been following the updates and there has been a lot of work put into it.

What makes the HD version so special?

[Kamokazi]

Originally Posted by oldman

My reasoning is that all these items are SOFTWARE related. The main Qualcomm 7500 chip just uses these different items to process the information. The processing chip doesn't really care where it gets it's input...it just processes the info that it receives. My guess for the WiFi/EVDO is that those items just tell the radio how to get the info...In either case, you are not turning on another piece of hardware...The phone is always active....so it's just dialing #777. The wifi connection still has to get in thru the antenna and probably passes thru the radio that sorts it all out. I tried putting the phone in the "airplane" mode to turn it off, but it also turned off the WiFi connection, so it couldn't be tested in that fashion.

Don't know how correct I am in those assumptions, but after a couple of beers, they sound reasonable.

That's why I think alot of this battery improvement with the different radios and connections is "imaginary". Every test I have run gives nearly the same results IF THE CONDITIONS ARE KEPT CONSTANT.

Hi Bob, I really appreciate your testing...it's a royal pain in the arse to do that kind of stuff and I really appreciate it.

I'm not arguing your observations at all, but I just don't think your theory explaining them is quite accurate. From what I know of PC hardware some of it just doesn't quite jive. IC chip power usage, in general, can fluxuate a lot based on the task it is doing...especially multifunction ones like motherboard chipsets. Just because the 7500A is handling everything, it is not safe to assume the power draw will be similar.

This is mainly aimed at your radio tests. I agree with you, I think a lot of people have a placebo effect going with the 1.11 radio...you've put up a variety of numbers showing no difference, so I'm inclined to believe them over casual observation. What I do disagree with is that you seem to think no radio revision will ever make a difference because it is just software. I think it could, and this is why:

While just software (or firmware as I would imagine it is closer to) the radio software is what tells the radio chip to do anything. If it's telling it to scan for better towers, or sending data for transport, it is giving commands to the radio chip. Bugs or inefficiencies in the radio software could affect the battery and signal performance, by either not switching to another tower, sending erraneous data packets, etc. So newer versions could fix or improve upon old ones.

Basically what I'm getting at is don't stop testing I think a future radio version could make a difference, and the kind of testing you do will prove it definitively.

[Kamokazi]

Originally Posted by oldman

What makes the HD version so special?

Extra tabs, better responsiveness. Multiple appointments on home, 5-day forecast on main weather screen, etc.

Downsides:

Bugginess, screens designed for WVGA.

Getting it to start correctly is a treat. Some Xbox something guy on the XDA forums has a hack that gets it to start, but it's still a bit sketchy. The problem still exists that some tabs are squished though.

I've played with it some but I am sticking to standard TF3D for now...maybe after som revisions, or if it gets pulled from a newer VGA model.

[stanglifemike]

Originally Posted by oldman

What makes the HD version so special?

Check it out http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=52836