To all those who have Sprint...be patient...

[JQuill]

Odds are they won't go out of business before a new smart phone that's worth us buying comes out but for now, think of it this way...lets not forget that smart phones are still a niche market. Google and Apple are responsible for starting the process of converting the entire cellular market over to smart phones as opposed to non-smart phone devices.

Sprint a few years ago was AHEAD of the game when it came to smart devices, windows mobile was the only game in town. As soon as the regular market started getting smart phones like iPhone / Adroid, windows mobile failed to adapt quickly, they got blitzed from both angles. It's an embarasingly slow process for WM to get where it needs to be to be considered an "everyday smartphone" which is is NOT.

ANY windows mobile phone is the best type of smart phone...I don't care if you're using Vouge, Touch Diamond, a TP2 or a Touch HD, they all out perform most android phones and the iPhone as far as functionality is concerned...but the average cellular device user who has NEVER used a smartphone has a huge learning curve (when I say that I really mean it would take them more time than they want to spend learning how to use a phone), where as with iPhone and Android there is no learning curve...it really is that intuitive.

Once people adapt to the new easier to use smartphones then WM can come back in a big way (with WM7) by offering the "next level" of service through mobile devices that WM has had for years, but people didn't know how to use. Now they'll be able to pick it up and use it as easily as their Droid because they know what a smart phone can do and how to make it work for them. The market needed an education on how to take advantage of awesome mobile devices, and Android is giving it to them. Big brother WM will come back soon don't worry, it's just a shame that WM is basically on pause or keeps having set backs.

[Dr.8820]

haha, good post. you're probably like me, laughing at the folks that want to jump ship because sprint didn't get this phone, or sprint didn't get that phone. none of them every used it before, and will most likely not like it when they get it, but they'll boo-hoo regardless! i like it though, it makes a good read!

[BlackDynamite]

I agree with you that WM is and always has been the best platform. However, what you are failing to realize is that Sprint isn't even getting the best WM devices anymore.

T-Mobile got the Touch Pro 2 (Sprint's best WM device) before Sprint, and now they are getting an exclusive on the HD2. AT&T and verizon also have the Touch Pro 2- AT&T's shipped with WM6.5, and Verizon now has an update to WM6.5 before Sprint.

AT&T also has that LG projector WM 6.5 phone (which has a slide out qwerty, 5 megapixel camera, and a 1 gig snapdragon processor). And Verizon also has the Imagio.

So Sprint is behind in the game no matter how you look at it...

[JQuill]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

I agree with you that WM is and always has been the best platform. However, what you are failing to realize is that Sprint isn't even getting the best WM devices anymore.

T-Mobile got the Touch Pro 2 (Sprint's best WM device) before Sprint, and now they are getting an exclusive on the HD2. AT&T and verizon also have the Touch Pro 2- AT&T's shipped with WM6.5, and Verizon now has an update to WM6.5 before Sprint.

AT&T also has that LG projector WM 6.5 phone (which has a slide out qwerty, 5 megapixel camera, and a 1 gig snapdragon processor). And Verizon also has the Imagio.

So Sprint is behind in the game no matter how you look at it...

The projector is a bit gimmicky for me...how often would you really use that? The UI isn't nearly as nice as TF3d. Sprint needs to play catch up for sure. But we also need to keep in mind we're not exactly doing Sprint any favors by using tethering as much as we all are here lol.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by JQuill

The projector is a bit gimmicky for me...how often would you really use that? The UI isn't nearly as nice as TF3d. Sprint needs to play catch up for sure. But we also need to keep in mind we're not exactly doing Sprint any favors by using tethering as much as we all are here lol.

The projector is an option that you can put on the back of the phone if you want. You don't have to use it or attach it if you don't want to. heck, the phone doesn't even ship with the projector so you don't even have to buy it if you don't want to.

The phone itself though has WM 6.5, slide out qwerty, 5 megapixel camera (with flash), 1 gig snapdragon processor, and WVGA display.

Spec wise, it blows the Touch Pro 2 out of the water (which, again, AT&T has the Touch Pro 2 also, and it ships with WM6.5 too). See the comparison here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomp...=1989&id2=1925

So while the projector itself may be a gimmick, the phone itself has way better specs than anything Sprint has right now. and the best WM Sprint has, AT&T also has. Sprint is behind in the game, no matter how you slice it.

Oh yeah, as for the interface- I use SPB Mobile Shell anyway. It's way better than TouchFlo. I would advise anyone who doesn't use it to try it out. I hate TouchFlo personally. SPB Mobile shell is always the first thing I install whenever I flash a ROM. The ROM I have been using for the last month+ doesn't even have TouchFlo anyway (indagroove Titanium)...

[JQuill]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The projector is an option that you can put on the back of the phone if you want. You don't have to use it or attach it if you don't want to. heck, the phone doesn't even ship with the projector so you don't even have to buy it if you don't want to.

The phone itself though has WM 6.5, slide out qwerty, 5 megapixel camera, 1 gig snapdragon processor, and WVGA display.

Spec wise, it blows the Touch Pro 2 out of the water (which, again, AT&T has the Touch Pro 2 also, and it ships with WM6.5 too). See the comparison here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomp...=1989&id2=1925

So while the projector itself may be a gimmick, the phone itself has way better specs than anything Sprint has right now. and the best WM Sprint has, AT&T also has. Sprint is behind in the game, no matter how you slice it.

Oh yeah, as for the interface- I use SPB Mobile Shell anyway. It's way better than TouchFlo. I would advise anyone who doesn't use it to try it out. I hate TouchFlo personally. SPB Mobile shell is always the first thing I install whenever I flash a ROM. The ROM I have been using for the last month+ doesn't even have TouchFlo anyway (indagroove Titanium)...

Sense 2.5 is what I am talking about when I refer to "touchflo". I've used mobile shell and to me it is extremely outdated and is not robust. Sense 2.5 is the deepest and most functional UI there is on a smartphone, and with OMJ's latest roms for the Diamond we literally have everything a touch hd2 has on our phones and it runs perfectly, much smoother than any 2.1 rom, comparable to any android phone with a similar or better processor and almost as good as fast as the iPhone. Spec wise the LG phone does blow the TP2 out of the water but the interface is similar to that of SPB mobile shell which is why you probably like it, just a bunch of icons on the screen. Sense 2.5 provices a better workflow when jumping from one thing to another. Everything from the music libraray / browser, to contacts, facebook, twitter, local weather with mylocation, a much better e-mail browser, a built in manila home screen locker that is way better than any lock software or wm's locker....i mean the list goes on and on how much better version 2.5 is than any other of tf3d. Which is why the HD2 is so great. The Diamond is the closest to the HD2 as far as hardware similarity and the ability to port software from it provided you know how to code and resize graphics...which OMJ does. TP2's are nice dont get me wrong, but they just seem like an overweight touch pro. And I opted for the diamond over the tp to begin with because of the built in storage (4 gigs is plenty for me as I only use that space for storing cab files and music, i stream all my video) so upgrading to the tp2 didnt make sense.

The Diamond continues to be one of the most versatile phones in Sprints lineup. Why they discontinued this phone instead of upgrading the OS I will never know but they sure killed it from the start with the fruity ass maroon back cover. Thank god we were able to dye our covers black.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by JQuill

Sense 2.5 is what I am talking about when I refer to "touchflo". I've used mobile shell and to me it is extremely outdated and is not robust. Sense 2.5 is the deepest and most functional UI there is on a smartphone, and with OMJ's latest roms for the Diamond we literally have everything a touch hd2 has on our phones and it runs perfectly, much smoother than any 2.1 rom, comparable to any android phone with a similar or better processor and almost as good as fast as the iPhone. Spec wise the LG phone does blow the TP2 out of the water but the interface is similar to that of SPB mobile shell which is why you probably like it, just a bunch of icons on the screen. Sense 2.5 provices a better workflow when jumping from one thing to another. Everything from the music libraray / browser, to contacts, facebook, twitter, local weather with mylocation, a much better e-mail browser, a built in manila home screen locker that is way better than any lock software or wm's locker....i mean the list goes on and on how much better version 2.5 is than any other of tf3d. Which is why the HD2 is so great. The Diamond is the closest to the HD2 as far as hardware similarity and the ability to port software from it provided you know how to code and resize graphics...which OMJ does. TP2's are nice dont get me wrong, but they just seem like an overweight touch pro. And I opted for the diamond over the tp to begin with because of the built in storage (4 gigs is plenty for me as I only use that space for storing cab files and music, i stream all my video) so upgrading to the tp2 didnt make sense.

The Diamond continues to be one of the most versatile phones in Sprints lineup. Why they discontinued this phone instead of upgrading the OS I will never know but they sure killed it from the start with the fruity ass maroon back cover. Thank god we were able to dye our covers black.

LOL, Mobile Shell does everything Sense 2.5 does and PLENTY more. It's not just a bunch of icons on a screen- it's whatever the heck you want it to be. I mean, yes, you can have a bunch of icons on a screen if you want, but you certainly don't have to. As for all of that other stuff- facebook and twitter integration, music player, better email browser and all of that other stuff- Mobile Shell has ALL of that. Not sure when the last time you used it, but you might want to check out the lastest version. it takes up way less system memory than TouchFlo, responds faster, doesn't lag like TouchFlo sometimes does, it easily configurable with no hacking required, and you can configure every little aspect of it, unlike TouchFlo. I would highly suggest you try out the latest version before you go saying it's not as good as TouchFlo. The people that try both and go back to TouchFlo are few and far between. I guess you might be that 1 out of 100 or so who prefers TouchFlo after trying both, but the odds are certainly against it.

As for the Diamond- LOL! Are you serious? Man, the Touch Pro 2 has a bigger screen and better resolution than the Diamond- and it is still smaller than the HD2's screen. The HD2 also has that 1 gig snapdragon processor (roughly twice as fast as the Diamond's). THAT is why the HD2 is great, it has nothing to do with the resource hog known as TouchFlo.

And theTouch Pro 2 is better than the Touch Pro in every imaginable way. Bigger screen, better resolution, tilting screen, 3.5mm jack, better keyboard, better call functions, better speakers, better battery, nicer look, and so on. The only people saying they are even close to comparable are the people who never owned a Touch Pro 2.

Anyway, the point is- Sprint is behind everyone else when it comes to devices. Even if you think the diamond is the cats meow of phones, you have to admit it is not as good as the HD2, the AT&T Pure, or the Verizon Imagio. I happen to think the Touch Pro 2 is the cats meow of phones, but I have to admit that everyone else has the Touch Pro 2 (with WM6.5 even) and it is probably not as good as that LG projector phone anyway. You can't seriously be telling everyone that Sprint has the best devices because they have the Diamond, can you??

[spiritcrusher33]

Talk + Text + Web 500 min plan 59.99 a month t-mobile and u have to purchase the phone full price. or pay it out in monthly installments which make your monthly price go up.lol



simplyeverything 450 69.99 a month.. with unlimited calling to all cell numbers.. free nav, sprint tv.. etc.. or u can get


simplyeverything referal plus 500 mins for 59.99 a month with
with unlimited calling to all cell numbers.. free nav, sprint tv.. etc.. or u can get



look at the coverage maps... for all 4 carriers...lol u will see sprint and verizon got ya covered.. att and t-mobile negative...and as far as t-mobile and att 3g most average speeds are around the same as sprint and verizon.. 1 to 2 megs dl..


i get 1.6 d and 800 up on sprint.. with t-mobiles 3g i never got that..lol


enough said..

still dont get your math salty!!!!!

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by spiritcrusher33

Talk + Text + Web 500 min plan 59.99 a month t-mobile and u have to purchase the phone full price. or pay it out in monthly installments which make your monthly price go up.lol



simplyeverything 450 69.99 a month.. with unlimited calling to all cell numbers.. free nav, sprint tv.. etc.. or u can get


simplyeverything referal plus 500 mins for 59.99 a month with
with unlimited calling to all cell numbers.. free nav, sprint tv.. etc.. or u can get



look at the coverage maps... for all 4 carriers...lol u will see sprint and verizon got ya covered.. att and t-mobile negative...and as far as t-mobile and att 3g most average speeds are around the same as sprint and verizon.. 1 to 2 megs dl..


i get 1.6 d and 800 up on sprint.. with t-mobiles 3g i never got that..lol


enough said..

still dont get your math salty!!!!!

I have been plenty of places where Sprint did not have me covered, lol. How can you say Sprint and Verizon in the same breath and expect to maintain credibility? Verizon may very well have everyone covered, but that that doesn't mean Sprint does.

As for the cost, I'll copy and past what I just posted in the other thread:
T-Mobile Even More Plus 1500 unlimited text and web, with a MyTouch 3G (comparable to Hero):
Phone cost: $399.99 (no contract)
Plan cost: $119.99
So over the course of that 2 year contract, $16 per month. With the plan and the phone both factored in, that is about $136 per month on T-Mobile- with no contract.

Sprint Everything Data 1500 with Hero:
Phone cost: $179.99 (with 2 year contract)
Plan cost: $129.99
So over the course of that 2 year contract, the phone costs $7 per month. So with the plan and the phone both factored in, it costs about $137, and that is WITH a 2 year contract.

So, again, T-Mobile comes out cheaper. If you get some kind fo discount on Sprint, fine- that will obviously play into it. But for the average joe T-Mobile is cheaper, and they don't even require a contract.

And this is all taken straight from the websites, no hunting for secret deals or discounts...

So I'm sorry if you don't get my math, but it couldn't be clearer. T-Mobile is cheaper than Sprint, and they don't require a contract. And while you may not personally get better T-Mobile coverage in your area, there are PLENTY of people who do get better T-Mobile service than Sprint- including the millons of people who leave Sprint every quarter and/or the millions of people whio join T-Mobile every quarter and never look back...

By the way, you can get Google Navigation for free, which is better than Sprint Navigation. You can also get www.amazegps.com for free which is just as good if not better than Sprint Navigation. Sprint tv is worthless and justin.tv is way better (and free).

[spiritcrusher33]

lol ok u win.. by a buck!!!

but just a buck..

Im just saying for what u get with sprints plans its a better deal. anymobile.. anytime for free.. ( free calling to any cell number ) to me thats worth it alone.. ya sprint nav.. is nice. and there others u can use for free. but just like phone choices its up to the user on what he likes..

I say sprint and verizon in the same sentence cause around here. they both have the same coverage... every period!!!!! but the other 2 dont... end is its all bout location..



In the end i could care less if sprint losses customers.. its still not enough that t-mobile will pass them up. at least not for awhile.. unless they bought sprint.. then we would both be laughing....point.. im happy with my 90 dollar family plan with unlimited call to whoever i want.. and unlimited data and text.. my wife is happy.. my kids are happy.. and really enjoy my rooted hero running fresh!!!!..