Next WM release any time soon?

[gguruusa]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Alright cool. Here we go.
You want some no2chem apps that aren't necessary to make the phone better? nueUSB, nueLED, nueBattery, etc. Anything that has been implemented into the ROM to replace original Windows components is unecessary and does not NEED to be there. They're just prettier apps, designed to give a LITTLE more control over something that works fine on its own. We don't need someone telling us that their application is for our benefit when that same program is used in dozens of other roms on other devices and they function fine.

nueLED is standalone. Do you even know what the difference is between the nue version and the original? In most cases the nue version IS the original, just slightly altered. That's why we do a direct replacement. Stuff like nueLED where he actually wrote significant code are standalone, user selectable packages.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Besides it's really just a way to get his name out there.

Is that why we don't mention that they're in there? Good logic.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Oh, and for the record, if you actually go to re-read some of the threads, you'll notice yourself and colonel giving the finger to users who wondered why they couldn't remove some of no2chem's apps. You buried it in the SYS folders. Not everyone knows how to remove that stuff, and NOT everyone wants it. So I am right there.

If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd realize its like a child saying why can't I have a green pencil when you gave them a yellow pencil. If you have some specific need for the yellow pencil, go get it. The green pencil is superior for the majority of people[/quote]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

I'm not saying no2chem can't do what he wants with his time. I said that you shouldn't expect an update from one of his "nueROMs" for a while because he's more focused on his "applications". That is evidenced by his "preview" builds and lack of any real release or update to a ROM base that other users can implement in their own kicthens, or even to PPCKitchen.

You missed the point. His apps are part of what makes his roms good. Working on the apps is integral to the features of his roms. I couldn't tell you about why he does or doesn't make basekit releases at any given time, but I can tell you making a release is a chore - it's not like "oh, I'll just zip up this directory."

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Duh, I'm well aware of that. I'm talking about THIS phone and the updates for it. I'm not concerned for the other phones. I'm talking about the time span between updates for the TITAN. There have been significant time increases between releases since the original kitchen was released.

Your statement was that DCD is the only one doing anything, and he's just a one man show. I merely pointed out that you have a micro view. Plenty is happening, just not where you are looking.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Crossed into insanity, eh? You "Kitchen Gods" are so self-righteous it's upsetting. Yes I'm using SOME apps from PPCGeeks_OEM.rar. But guess what? All of the apps I'm using from that RAR are actually taken from an old version that was released around the same time the first apache roms were. And most of them I have updated with downloads I found myself and turned them into OEMs. So your argument there is moot.

No, the argument was that lot's of things get updated beyond just the base OS.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

I'm not talking about 16 kitchens, I'm talking about the TITAN kitchen. I was also referring to no2chem in this as well. Where were all of these other kitchens when the roms for this phone were being updated and released? Seems like there were plenty of updates here when there were still other phones abound.

Several new devices have been added to the supported list since introduction of the titan kitchen. Those devices didn't have kitchens before, now they do. Just because the phone existed, doesn't mean it had a kitchen.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Also, I don't need DCD to write software for me to make my phone more usable. That's such a stupid argument considering what I've already stated. Everything that comes stock on Windows Mobile works just FINE. We're also not talking about unlockers, chat rooms, etc. You know what my point was.

Yes, your point was DCD does more than anyone else. It was ignorant. The fact is you DO need other people to write software for your phone, and what comes stock doesn't "work just fine" or you wouldn't be here.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Considering that I've flashed pratically every rom released and tested with the EXACT same setup of applications and pagepool, I HAVE in fact noticed a difference between all of them. I'm sorry if you think you're so high up that my matter of actually USING the phone doesn't count as testing, sorry, that's my benchmark and that's how I value a rom release.

Again, your testing sucks. No one said that DCD doesn't do this that or the other better than anyone else. What was said is that 20270 is not significantly different than 20273. Unless you made a stock 20273 kitchen, I don't know how you'd compare it to 20270.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

And last but not least, if that list isn't for people who have donated time and/or money, then you need to change the title of the ticker to something more like "Thank you to all who have used our ROMs" or "Thank you to all who have given us feedback". If it says "Thank you to all who have DONATED..." It really kinda means one thing. Unless of course someone donated their house, car, child or fettucine.

Hmmm.... maybe some did? No one said what was donated, and no one is going to. You assume it is cash, and I'm telling you you are wrong. The title is accurate, your interpretation is flawed.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Stop coming in here everytime there's a comment against your work like a whining school girl, getting butt-hurt. You'd do better in prison with a giant named Tiny.

You really are ignorant. You didn't even comment on my work except indirectly in one senetence. Between the two of us, one of us knows more about what work has been done, is being done, and will be done - which was the subject of this thread.

[electronicrice]

Originally Posted by gguruusa

All of your nonsense.

Listen, the point I was trying to get across is that 1) there haven't been updates for a while from here and 2) not everything thinks the way you do, or wants what you want. You have a lot of technical prowess, but you don't know what all users NEED/WANT on their phones.

I'm done with the argument. We're both stubborn, we both have different views. I'm not admitting defeat and I'm sure you aren't either. It's going to be left at that.

G'day.

[gguruusa]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Listen, the point I was trying to get across is that 1) there haven't been updates for a while from here

8/12/08 was the last update.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

and 2) not everything thinks the way you do, or wants what you want. You have a lot of technical prowess, but you don't know what all users NEED/WANT on their phones.

Absolutely correct. Fortunately, I don't try to do that. Generally, PPCkitchen tries to put out a kitchen that closely resembles an unaltered WM build. No2Chem and DCD have different goals. We all integrate enhancements we think are either essential, ridiculous to not include, or simply a trivial enhancement to a required element. In the case of the No2Chem things you like to gripe about, it is not practical to make the items user selectable. If it were, they'd be OEMs (like the bulk of his apps).