Next WM release any time soon?

[electronicrice]

Originally Posted by jakdillard

Ok I have questions for all of you who wants a new build ...... Honestly what is the benefit .... what is it that you notice from the last build of WM6.1 ...... Why are you concerned with a build number ...... When are you gonna put the hours in to port a QVGA SYS to a VGA device ... and make it bug free ... if you are ready to flash for a build number why have you not searched the forums .. found a build .. and gave it to the people that be ....

Are you serious with that? Okay....

As a "Senior Member" I'm surprised. It's not the mere fact that each release has a new build number, it's the fact that with each incrementation of that build number usually comes better functionality/features, as well as possible bugs, being that most of our ports are from other devices.

What is it that I notice in the latest 20273 build? Speedier applications, more RAM, better core windows mobile functionality. You know what else? That same build came from one developer, whereas the build 20270 came from a whole team and it was riddled with bugs that were barely fixed even after release.

So I'm not concerned with just a build number. That and the improved functionality go hand in hand, in most cases. I've already delved into how I feel for each development.

And I'm not going into the childish "why don't you do it and see how hard it is" game. I'm not going to port over a ROM because 1)I don't know how and 2) there were people here dedicated to that task and were being rewarded for it.

And stop with the over-use of ellipses. It discredits your argument.

[jakdillard]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Are you serious with that? Okay....

As a "Senior Member" I'm surprised. It's not the mere fact that each release has a new build number, it's the fact that with each incrementation of that build number usually comes better functionality/features, as well as possible bugs, being that most of our ports are from other devices.

What is it that I notice in the latest 20273 build? Speedier applications, more RAM, better core windows mobile functionality. You know what else? That same build came from one developer, whereas the build 20270 came from a whole team and it was riddled with bugs that were barely fixed even after release.

So I'm not concerned with just a build number. That and the improved functionality go hand in hand, in most cases. I've already delved into how I feel for each development.

And I'm not going into the childish "why don't you do it and see how hard it is" game. I'm not going to port over a ROM because 1)I don't know how and 2) there were people here dedicated to that task and were being rewarded for it.

And stop with the over-use of ellipses. It discredits your argument.

the point that I'm making is there were a lot of builds coming out because most of them were beta , now with the release of the diamond there was builds coming out in different languages , honestly as far as better memory management \ core speeds , I have not noticed anything different between the official 19208 build verses the 20273 build ...... I at one point was in the rat race to port builds to my roms but after actually using the ported build for more than a week or two I noticed I was having issues that I did not get with the 19208 build ... what I'm getting at is certain builds may be for certain phones as an example 19208 has been the build for all of the titan and vogue carriers such as bell telus and sprint on the treo800 the build number is 19216 the last known kaiser build is 19214 I have used all of these builds so the question still stands do you port a new build or work on the build that was design for your phone , I was doing this .. I would port only the modules I needed to update but then there were problems with certain apps not working right LIKE WMDC AND ACTIVESYNC so I went back to using all of 19208 so my builds will be based off of that unless something ground breaking comes out for the titan

[conflipper]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Are you serious with that? Okay....

As a "Senior Member" I'm surprised. It's not the mere fact that each release has a new build number, it's the fact that with each incrementation of that build number usually comes better functionality/features, as well as possible bugs, being that most of our ports are from other devices.

What is it that I notice in the latest 20273 build? Speedier applications, more RAM, better core windows mobile functionality. You know what else? That same build came from one developer, whereas the build 20270 came from a whole team and it was riddled with bugs that were barely fixed even after release.

So I'm not concerned with just a build number. That and the improved functionality go hand in hand, in most cases. I've already delved into how I feel for each development.

And I'm not going into the childish "why don't you do it and see how hard it is" game. I'm not going to port over a ROM because 1)I don't know how and 2) there were people here dedicated to that task and were being rewarded for it.

And stop with the over-use of ellipses. It discredits your argument.

Here is a question for you. What is so new in the 20273 build? What is different? sure it might seem faster, but it could also just be a plecbo affect. I mean unless you have an actual changelog from microsoft detailing everything that they change in every single build number. It might seem faster, and better power managment, but how do you know that is not just a plebo? you really dont, so aside from 20273 being bigger number then 19208, what is going to be different?

Get a changelog and then I will believe until then 19208 is just perfect.

[ajm144k]

Originally Posted by conflipper

Here is a question for you. What is so new in the 20273 build? What is different? sure it might seem faster, but it could also just be a plecbo affect. I mean unless you have an actual changelog from microsoft detailing everything that they change in every single build number. It might seem faster, and better power managment, but how do you know that is not just a plebo? you really dont, so aside from 20273 being bigger number then 19208, what is going to be different?

Get a changelog and then I will believe until then 19208 is just perfect.

that is exactly where i stand too.

my opinion:
if you dont believe that an official build can be better (f@ck the smaller numbers the build comes with) , try out JDs rom which is based on 19208 with modules from other builds that he knows wont botch anything up.

once you try that rom, youll know the difference between real speed gains and placebo speed gains you think youre getting from going from 20270 to 20273 or whatever other moves youre making.

...not even getting into battery management, ram management, or stability. find out for yourself

[superevilllama]

Originally Posted by ajm144k

that is exactly where i stand too.

my opinion:
if you dont believe that an official build can be better (f@ck the smaller numbers the build comes with) , try out JDs rom which is based on 19208 with modules from other builds that he knows wont botch anything up.

once you try that rom, youll know the difference between real speed gains and placebo speed gains you think youre getting from going from 20270 to 20273 or whatever other moves youre making.

...not even getting into battery management, ram management, or stability. find out for yourself

sigh... have you tried dcd's latest? I don't think there is any rom out there I haven't tried and I still say it is faster, better memory, and extremely stable. I hardly ever soft reset and thats saying a lot since I used to have to do it all the time. There were issues with the 19208 and the 20270 that dcd has never had (bar at the bottom hiding or not displaying stuff).

Meh, it all comes down to "to each his own". Everyone has their preferences and can be set in their own ways. What really matters I guess is what works out best for each person.

I do think that some of the things people are saying about the official buildOS should be looked at by the team from a positive standpoint. Not saying that it is bad, but maybe look at some of the things some people are saying and try to improve it based on that. Of course the application is provided for free, and I am still grateful for that. With that said, I do miss the practically daily updates to each rom base back from the WM 5 apache days. The focus was always on core functionality vs adding in custom appliactions. I still think we have some great people on here putting out some awesome applications and work that you cannot find anywhere else.

[gguruusa]

Originally Posted by superevilllama

I do think that some of the things people are saying about the official buildOS should be looked at by the team from a positive standpoint. Not saying that it is bad, but maybe look at some of the things some people are saying and try to improve it based on that.

We do, in part. We also use the stuff ourselves, so we have a pretty good idea what areas need work. Most people can't see beyond their own personal needs however, so a lot of time we spend not directly working on the current kitchen someone is using is taken as inaction.

Originally Posted by superevilllama

With that said, I do miss the practically daily updates to each rom base back from the WM 5 apache days. The focus was always on core functionality vs adding in custom appliactions.

The techniques of today are based upon all the work back then. What took months to get right back then can be done in minutes now.

[electronicrice]

Originally Posted by conflipper

Here is a question for you. What is so new in the 20273 build? What is different? sure it might seem faster, but it could also just be a plecbo affect. I mean unless you have an actual changelog from microsoft detailing everything that they change in every single build number. It might seem faster, and better power managment, but how do you know that is not just a plebo? you really dont, so aside from 20273 being bigger number then 19208, what is going to be different?

Get a changelog and then I will believe until then 19208 is just perfect.

Everything you just asked was detailed in my response. It's not a placebo effect because I've had many gripes with previous builds. DCD has ported a great build for the titan with 20273, as was observed by GGuru in a previous thread. If you even compare the ROMs for 20270 and 20273 you'll instantly notice the difference. There is no placebo. It's actually that good.

And you want a changelog? Is there ever a changelog provided with the official ROMs? Other than what was added by the carrier? No. If you want to know what was changed/tweaked/added/removed then read the changelogs by the developers for these custom roms. They will tell you everything you need to know.

[kashabrown]

I also noticed a huge difference between 20270 and 20273. I have all my "bloatware" installed with 20273 (DCD 3.2.5) and still have 21 MB after it boots up and never dip below 16MB (exchange, SPB MS, SPB PS, etc, etc, etc)..

[gguruusa]

Originally Posted by electronicrice

Everything you just asked was detailed in my response. It's not a placebo effect because I've had many gripes with previous builds. DCD has ported a great build for the titan with 20273, as was observed by GGuru in a previous thread.

When did I observe that? I've never flashed a DCD rom, ever.

Originally Posted by electronicrice

If you even compare the ROMs for 20270 and 20273 you'll instantly notice the difference. There is no placebo. It's actually that good.

See, that's where you're wrong. We actually compared identical builds of 20270 and 20273 to do our comparisons. They're not decernably different.