PPCGeeks boycott??

[wldthng842]

I understand that you are not all online and that decisions cannot be made instantaneously. Sometimes this allows for a thread to continue longer than it should have. A site this big is going to have issues like this. It is up to the mods to handle it in the best possible way. You all do a good job at keeping things on topic and are not perfect. There is no way to be perfect. That however does not hide that some mods treat things different than others. Site rules and set punishments help keep things fair from mod to mod. I know site rules exist but I obviously have no knowledge of what punishments are. If they are not in place I would suggest making them, if they are, I would advise beefing them up and making sure all mods use them. Mods should be held just as accountable as users are. It is simply an observation I have made over the last month.

[Certs]

Originally Posted by wldthng842

I understand that you are not all online and that decisions cannot be made instantaneously. Sometimes this allows for a thread to continue longer than it should have. A site this big is going to have issues like this. It is up to the mods to handle it in the best possible way. You all do a good job at keeping things on topic and are not perfect. There is no way to be perfect. That however does not hide that some mods treat things different than others. Site rules and set punishments help keep things fair from mod to mod. I know site rules exist but I obviously have no knowledge of what punishments are. If they are not in place I would suggest making them, if they are, I would advise beefing them up and making sure all mods use them. Mods should be held just as accountable as users are. It is simply an observation I have made over the last month.

You admit that sometimes threads are left open too long. Well, thats part of the problem. If a moderator happens to be on when its not "too long" yet, users think that they closed it too quick, lol. Just the way it is.

Bottom line is if a mod closes a thread, it's within reason. I have rarely seen otherwise. And if you disobey a mod, you should be banned. If you disagree, suck it up, think about it, then get over it. It's not a fight you'll win anyway

[Certs]

Originally Posted by wldthng842

Mods should be held just as accountable as users are.

No they should not, they are moderators. Simple as that. They have accountability, of course, but not as much as a "user" has.

[Certs]

/\ I only know of one time, and it was when a thread was closed that we decided was the wrong decision. It happens. The thread was reopened an hour or so later.

Anything else you may be referring to I am not aware of. But regardless, I don't think anything seriously wrong has been done, and harping on it will make a bigger deal out of it then warranted.

[InvincibleLiving]

I am officially boycotting this boycott thread. I will not return to post in it until it has been locked... that is all carry on.

[Perasite]

What's with all the mod bashing? Sometimes I don't like when a thread I'm having fun in is shut down, but this is a PPC forum meant for discussing PPCs and software/hacks/mods for PPCs. If you are discussing other items, flaming, being annoying, etc. then there is a perfectly reasonable expectation that the thread will be closed. If it sometimes seems that one mod closes more threads than others, then it is possible that person is online more often or has been assigned the 'thread closing duties.'

Really, none of our lives are made any worse by the decisions any of the mods make. As a matter of fact, it is directly due to their diligence that PPCgeeks is such an enjoyable site to be a member of. I've been here for a long time. Not once have I thought 'That mod sucks so bad I want to leave.' Quite the opposite. Most of the time I think 'Man I'm glad a mod took care of that fiasco.'

And, if you get upset with a mod, why make it public or keep a record of everything you feel they did wrong? Send them a PM to see if you can resolve it privately. If not, ask the mod you are having an issue with whether another mod could serve as an intermediate in your situation. If things are handled well on your part, I can assure you the mods here will do all they can to handle things well on their end.

[ricchini2007]

i had a disagreement with that guy, and let me tell you he's narrow minded. i used to be on that site, and it was nothing but trouble makers trust me(all talk and don't know nothing about our phones). ppc geeks by far is the best cell phone site i have ever been on. this site has taught me a lot thank you guys very much peace. oh forgot about xda developers great site sorry lol!

[wldthng842]

It definitely came out wrong. What you actually talk about is your business, the fact that you actually discuss it is more general knowledge. I would not expect you to post the info that you talk about on a specific user but saying that decisions are made by more than one mod is worthy of users knowing.

Moderators should be held just as accountable for their actions as the standard user. They may be less likely to break certain rules but are you saying they should be allowed to do it? I think not. A mod is nothing special, they were once a user and are now chosen to volunteer their time to help make the forums better. If they are making the forums worse, either by posts, abusing power, not using power etc. They should be held just as accountable. I have seen mods loose their job before, they are not invincible and some take the position too far. No one at this site seems to have that problem but I would argue that some mods are more strict than others. Having set rules for users and set punishments might help this. Also making sure that mods follow their rules from the admin is crucial. Feedback from the admin should be often, whether it be good job, or this could have been done better. That would help even out some of the discrepancies between mods.

Nothing I have seen is really a big deal but it is slightly frustrating when one mod tells you something is ok, by leaving it open. And another mod comes and closes it later. Just annoying, nothing we can't all deal with.

[Certs]

Originally Posted by wldthng842

No one at this site seems to have that problem but I would argue that some mods are more strict than others. Just annoying, nothing we can't all deal with.

Exactly. Can we move on now?

[Pibe38]

Regarding the point that seems to be predominant, is that some mods seem to close more threads than others. And even though I should not have to explain this, I will for the betterment (is that a word?) of the community.

This is a combination of some moderators being online more than others, and also the power a moderator has. For example, moderators (orange user names) only have power in their specific forum, while Super Mods have power all over the site.

Moderators help by posting about threads/posts they see in forums they don't have access to, then the first Super Mod to come online and see those posts goes in and takes care of them.

So... if, for example, I am online more often than others, and see all the posts by Moderators in our staff section, I will look like I am closing more threads than any other moderators.

Originally Posted by Goddbody

If you reread my post I never said that I had saved any threads. I said I started to but thought better of it. Anyway, your arguement today is better and more realistic then doing the thread in question. Yes you are human and Mods make mistakes. When these issues occur then simply say that, Don't try to defend the undefendable with puffed up arrogance like many of the Mods did during the subject thread and like one did in this thread "Not that it is any of your business". That is simply immaturity at best. One true point you made though, if you dont like the way a forum is run then leave. Great point, but what if we all decide to leave? Blank stare! My point here is that you all are not on the same page as far as moderating goes, no matter how many times you try to convince people that things are discussed. I'm too educated and have to many years under my belt to fall for that one.

Please don't misunderstand me, I never referred to us as being humans for making mistakes... I said we may miss things, and that is where we require assistance from our members by reporting the posts.

While you may not believe us, we discuss almost every thread closing, user infraction, and banning done on the site. A few exceptions are spam bots, questions done without searching, etc.

Also, I did read your post... by saying you started to save threads but then decided against it, at one point you had to have saved threads, and I was just pointing out that instead of saving them, pointing them out to moderators would be a better choice.

I don't feel anyone has defended their point with "puffed up arrogance". If a mistake is made, we will recognize it and apologize for it.

Originally Posted by Goddbody

One true point you made though, if you dont like the way a forum is run then leave. Great point, but what if we all decide to leave? Blank stare!

The point here is, that not everyone has left... in fact, the number of users that have left (at least publically) is far less than the amount of users we gain every day.

I also assure you that if Wideawake felt users were leaving for a specific moderator, that moderator would be removed from the roster. This is his site, and he wants nothing but success for it.

Originally Posted by Goddbody

Dear Goddbody,

You have received an infraction at PPCGeeks.

Reason: Spammed Advertisements
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please dont spam.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...679#post200679

we dont need that here. if you have any questions or feel you did nothing wrong, then dont hesitate to contact me or another moderator. have a good day.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
PPCGeeks

This is too funny!! Now I recieved an infraction point for spam advertisement today after voicing my opinion . As I recall it this is how it started out with ole dude who started the boycott ppcgeeks petition. I guess I am next on the chopping block. I think I can strongly defend me arguement at this point.

For one I spoke to Wideawake before Christmas about developing a Noob site to help assist with the redundant questions that were being asked in the forum. I also created a forum for them over there to discuss issues. Noobs own place. Wide saw the site Pibe saw the site no points for the aledged spam ads. Now today some petty Mod who didnt like what I posted decides to check me out and decides to give me points for a website that has been up for months now. Now thats personal. So I'll be direct. Pibe and Patmannyc do a hell of a job moderating the rooms, but it's that childish and petty 2% that this very thread, Thread in question, and others that gives merit to the guys original arguement as well as my own. I think I rest my case. Drops mike walks off the stage.......

As I said above, and on the PM I sent you. Noone is out to get you, although the system limits us with the option of Spam Advertisement, the content of the post linked on the infraction was the reason for it.

You are more than welcomed to have a link to your site (as long as it is within the rules) in your signature.

Originally Posted by wldthng842

The biggest problem is that us users were attacked for voicing our opinions about the mods. That is the reason that this thread has not died. If the mods would have taken our opinions with a grain of salt then this thread would have died where it belongs. I think this is especially evident that the most prominent mod on the forum (Pibe3 simply quit posting. I'm sure he read everything as he usually reads everything, but he read the comments, understands them, and moves on. It is the mods that felt the need to defend themselves that kept us explaining our thoughts. I think this has reached and pointless end and should be closed. I'm sorry you didn't like our comments, but they are what they are, comments. Take them or leave them.

I'm staying out of the spam infraction but that does sound pointless if true. I would suggest the admin looking into it to make sure the mods did as they should have. Giving an infraction for a post months old is just dumb.

Sorry, can't be online ALL the time, I just had to drive 30 miles to get home, it doesn't mean I am not answering to other users' comments/concerns

I don't feel anyone got attacked for voicing their opinions. With all due respect, this thread was not even about that. It was about another thread, on another site, about our site.

Evetything was fine until the reasoning behind why that user left/was banned was questioned. And this was questioned without having all the facts, it is not that we feel the need to defend ourselves. We do so for different reasons, one is because we do not want our users to think we are ignoring them. Two, it is because it's not fair for moderators to be attacked or called out on their decisions when the person questioning them doesn't even have all the facts.

Let's be sincere, do you think that if someone is banned/warned and they create a thread/post about it that they are going to tell you other things that they may have done in the past? Infractions or PMs from moderators they may have received in the past? Of course not, they just want to start a movement against the staff.

All these other infractions/PMs from moderators are documented in our staff area, so that if another issue comes up about a user, we have reference to check if there have been issues in the past.

Originally Posted by wldthng842

That comment did detract from the thread that it was in and was pointless. I have to agree with the mods on that one. I have not heard of any infraction abuse/misuse from mods, more along the lines of closing threads. Which in the end is their own decision as they were given the power and we were not.

P.s. I only came back to hear pibey and because I got a PM from Goddbody

Thanks for recognizing that. We really don't get kicks out of issuing infractions, moderating takes time from us acquiring knowledge as well. Don't get me wrong, we do it because we want to... but we don't go wasting our time closing threads or issuing infraction with no merit.

After all, we are all here for the same reason, to learn and get the most out of our devices.

This has been talked about many, many times... if you feel a thread was closed with no grounds, then please PM the moderator that closed it, or another staff member if you prefer not to deal with that specific person.

I still don't see where the "abuse" is, lately all I have seen closed are threads that have gotten way out of hand, or threads that ask what is ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Like the friggin' PicMail/MMS issue that is driving me nuts!!! /rant