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Re: File Complaint with FTC against Verizon for locking GPS on Omina (& other phones)
 

okay so u beat me to posting that info on the GPS unlock... wanna cookie?
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I was just venting i feel the rest is true though sorry.

Whats a cookie. Is that a thank you.

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Thanks i appreciate that. Sucks to see her like that. Off subject i have to have to have surgery soon for pancrious and i am kinda pursuing a second opinion but if it true not much time to decide.

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You got me wrong. I am part of a labor union ILWU. Look up our history. we would sacrifice our lives for each and we have and for what. Cutting cost increase proffits is like a big sloppy pile of poo and it always rolls down hill. So want in one hand poo in the other and see wich fills up first. I can tell you all my stances on corporate america but that would be even longer. I Do like verizon but i do see them as what they are. A company trying to make money off me. Your point about the garman thing well a small point at that. Ther is ways to get free gps. I posted an option on this site check it out. Or look up Free gps on google. That includes programs that wont tax you for data. wich cost money.alot of people on this site want it. But garmon does not have to give away any thing. Just like VERIZON IS NOT DOING ANY THING ILLEAGLE . Maybe just a little shady but who isn't these days. and there is no regulations that requires free gps to the masses. about the long post but My main point besides the fact that its not illeagle is that There is other things to worry about right now and we already have what we want. SO pick your contract with the phone carriers wisely before you get a phone. . I sware i must be an ignerant fool cause i see it no other way. I really wish honestlly and i am not being a smarty pants. Pleas rip apart every thing i wrote and throw it in my face. I am not afraid to be wrong. I have an open mind. You wont hurt my fellings.

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Burger King does advertise "flame broiled" burgers so you know they do not fry them. VZ advertised GPS included but was very vague on how the GPS only operates with their app. And yes technically, the phone had gps but with a reduction in functionality that they to not relay to the consumer upon purchasing the phone. Considering GPS services are 98% free, it is a given people will believe since the specs in the VZ store state internal GPS receiver that they can use it as any other normal gps. Trust me, they did not tell me you have to "pay to play" else I probably would've stayed with sprint and bought the Treo Pre.

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It's locked in the radio software, so, probably not.

Re: File Complaint with FTC against Verizon for locking GPS on Omina (& other phones)
 

A cookie...a reward given to children for bragging about being first...! =D>

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Oh ye of little faith.

Mine's unlocked, no thanks to VZW.

Ted

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Right, but you've flashed the CC20 ROM (and subsequently Adrynaline's 3.6 WM6.5 ROM), which includes the radio update to unlock the GPS. And technically it is thanks to VZW (in a sense), since one of their employees leaked the beta ROM to allow us to upgrade our phones.

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I continue to read these posts with hope. When I can I hop on and read some more about flashing the phone. I was going to buy the i900 but was informed (actually my wife, i'm in afghanistan right now) that it would not work on the verizon network. I have been looking at world phones for a while but the i900 was the only one that I really liked and was willing to pay for.

My wife got me this i910 since when I get stationed back home i'll be there for a couple of years and it wouldn't matter if it was GSM capable anyways. I just hope that the features orginally intended for this phone are activated by the time I get back. By then Verizon would have moved on to there new line of phones and might give us what we want to keep us, and keep us quite.

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I would like to thank you for risking your life to fight these crazy freak radicals that feel Americans must all die. I just cant believe that we helped them to fight Russia awhile back. Oops. Ther is a couble sites you can look at but you can start by clicking on the picture of the omnia up top and click on the rom section. The cc20. Its different than the other cooked roms to flash.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=69628
WOULD BE NICE TO GET SOME DONATIONS TOGETHER TO GET YOU ONE SENT OVER THERE. Flashed already and loaded with pictures of Home to remind you what you your there for. Both my brothers served time there. Come home safely. I was wondering do most afgans appriciate what you are doing for them.

Edit: Is the omnia 910 even have world capabilities i don't believe it does. Might have to go with well good luck and let me know cause i hate the black berry storm. I think world phones have an extra gsm radio in them to use those towers. Cdma and such might be in some countries but idk about Afghanistan.

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Yah buddy i will take one. Sounds good. I wish i had a little youth left in me.
I just was thinking what the...... can people see what i wrote cause you would have to be staring my post right in front of you when you hit reply. Written hours before. I can care less about being first. Just thought you should read the thread first. Especially the one right before yours. Or quote me for petesake thats playgerism. Show me the money(1). LOL

(1) Quote from a movie with tom cruize and cuba Jr. and i forgot the name but just giving them a cookie.

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Thanks Me to. Pain is unbearable. Its totally amazing though especially how some inventions and medical breakthroughs happen. From Hitlers Human experiences on the jewish people to The tecknology coming out of wars. It really seems ther should have been more progress on Cancer atliest with what we can do. But i wonder if a drug company had a cure for cancer would they release it. You would think so but however silly it sounds it would probably have a huge impact on medical industry considering how much finding a cure and treating cancer brings in money and jobs. Wish all those geniousus like stephin hawkings and such could devote ther brilliance on somthing that is going to happen or has happened withen our time and demension that can actually produce some results that our usefull to survive right now. Glad we might be able maybe time travel but if it can happenes could somebody come back and show us that it works cause if know one has ever shown up from future than it probably wont ever happen. So Stephan hawking the grand master genious. We know about gravity and such impress me. Cure cancer and aids and depression wars. Cure yourselph. I would like to time travel to a thousand years from know and see what a computer looks like or what version of windows mobile is out. Probley a chip in our brains conected to optical nerves and hearing. With a big verizon logo tattoed on the forhead as stipulated in the contract to get the phone. G.P.S. still locked.

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well here is what happened or should I say "what had happen was" ...I dont know if u noticed it...ur post was the last on the page before my post and mine was the first on the next page...when I opened the thread I went directly to the last page...never saw ur post...

Re: File Complaint with FTC against Verizon for locking GPS on Omina (& other phones)
 

did this thread go sideways or is it me?

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this thread was a waste of time to begin with...but yea it went sideways...and I had a hand in it...

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*rant on*
from a purely pragmatic point of view, we have a solution to the problem already.
while i agree that vzw crippled the omnia, azintegra gave us a way around it.
to my way of thinking it's a win for all of us who want our phones as good as they can be.
personally, i like to tinker, and my omnia is just like my harley, a blank canvas ready to be turned into what my vision of my phone should be.
as far as the lawsuit thingy goes, i find today's folks way too litigious for my taste. if you don't like what vzw is doing take your dollars away from them, simple as that.
all our lives would be better off with less lawyers and more personal responsibility.
*rant off*

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That makes sence cause i changed my settings to display alot more post per page. I am barely on page two on this thread. I think i have it set on forty but forgot.

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I confess i did intend to make thread to go sidways. It should be takin down. Verizon is doing nothing illeagle. Alread typed a longer version but forgot to post. but Unless some one can post a lynk to a advertisement stating you can use 3rd party apps with the gps on the verizon sch-i910 than it does have gps you just had to pay. Considering its not illeagle than fcc complaint may delay it further. Better to complain directly to verizon.

I do say if somebody can find writtian proof of any thing that verizon did wrong than if its not to late please provide it so ther can be somthing to go off of.

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Read the topic, it's a complaint with the FTC, not the FCC. The FTC is the correct group to contact with the type of stuff. Nobody is accusing them of breaking any laws, they're accusing them of being unfair, which is why they're trying to get the Fair Trade Commission involved.

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It does not really matter. whats so unfair they publicly said they are working on it. DId not realize i misspelled ftc about a hundred times. I refured to fcc and ftc but never spelled ftc oops. But still are you kidding me. Its unfair. Its downright shady and ridiculous for verizon to not unlock it like other companys do espeacaly for one of there best phones. WOuld have got them a lot more business. But considering about every phone that they have uses v navigator why would this phone be different. Almost every phone has gps capabilitys that verizon has. May be agps but still gps anyhow. Should every phone offer unlocked gps. And why. Should be up to each manufacture or carrier to allow what features be unlocked. Unless the law states otherwise. All the gps unlocked phones offer that to compet in the consumer market for marketshare not because they care about weather you have a Unlocked gps or not.
So why is it even thoug two of the three phones that they said would be unlocked gps are. Verizon has always been taking long to release updates to test them. They may never accept the phoneupdate. Garantee ther is reasons that can be made up. But considering the leaked rom that did come out i would say it will happen. Also with the high turnover of phones every year what is the point. Newer phones will all be unlocked i hear. Most omnia users will probaably have a new phone by this time next year. I think it really should be somthing worth fighting for if it covered future phones and all carriers. But really who would pay for it what it boyles down to is the money comes from somwhere. Satalites are not free to put op into orbit and maintain. Look at the change over to the digital on t.v.'s Look up and check how much tax money went to that. And who is paying for it.
Everybody expects way to much thes days for free like ther owed something. All this tech is not making you smarter its making you more reliable on not having to think.
And for the billionths time Our GPS is unlocked. verizon just dont support it yet. If your reading this and dont know how your so close its almost a click away. But did you notice that there is tons of stuff not working right in them. . Well mine works great but it also has software made by different people and companys. Verizon cant do that without being suied and ppcgeeks offer beter suport than verizon. . Also the gps is not the main reasons for the update. Tech guy from Verizon said its screen issues and other bugs. Which is a cooperation with verizon and Samsung on a phone designed a year or more ago to operate just like it is right now. Verizon can stop support on this phone alltogether. If so i hope you know how to fix it. I do but i am gonna charge to do it.

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Lets stick a fork in this thread...

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I don't understand any of your rambling, unless you're just trying to derail this thread again. The digital transition has nothing to do with GPS, nor do tax dollars. Not every phone should offer GPS - but the phones that have actual built in GPS, like the Omnia, that does not require a data connection to use GPS (once it's no longer being held back by *software* of course), should give you the option of using whatever software you want. The satellites we use for GPS have been in orbit for years, and they were paid for by our tax dollars, as well as the tax dollars of citizens of many other countries. They are paid for, the military has gotten their use out of them, and now they are available for public use, free of charge. It's not like Verizon is sending your $10/month to the local GPS company. This is the same reason that Microsoft has to include other web browser software and ISP providers when you buy Windows - they all take you to the same internet, just like all GPS devices hook you up to the same satellites, so you can't force your own software on consumers and not give them any options. BTW, I've been running CC20 since the day I got my phone.

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What i wwas saying was that yes ther are a lot of companys offering unlocked gps. I am just saying they dont have to. Its a business decision to make more money and get more market share. The satalites are maintained and new ones are put up so it does cost us mone as a whole and just saying the digital thing cause like if the government made it a law that we have free gps than it could cost us a lot tax money. Verizon maybe made a mistake by not unlocking but and they may know it but that would be a lot of money spent and the fact they pay a lot more that we did for the phones. We do not really know all the facts anyways to warant a complaint. We just might look really dumb and ignorant. Heck with the omnia two coming out fairley soon its a lost cause any way. Oh and Somebody does pay for thos gps chips and poop does roll down hill. We do end up paying for everything verizon does. With the vz navagator you only pay to use it but you never know and i hope not but we just might pay for it afterall. Do you really know what your paying for when you send in your bill.

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This is the same reason that Microsoft has to include other web browser software and ISP providers when you buy Windows - they all take you to the same internet, just like all GPS devices hook you up to the same satellites,

Than tell me than how does google make money. Yes the internet is free and so is gps satalites kinda but advertisements pay there profits. And accessing gps is different than damanding a free tool to read the signal. Feel free to build your own gps and it will be free. Look at apple they do ofer gps but really you a are supopsed to use only apple aproved software. It seemes they are changing policy and ther is changes going on. The app thing is crazy. I think by unlocking gps it will make it so verizon can make money still but not have to test and make them themself. . Almost no overhead with mostly proffit. I believe verizon is keeping track on what happens in the forums on the leeked rom. We are a huge free recource of information on bugs and what not that actually free. Most people i bet even after its unlocked will still pay for a gps program. naavagator has free upgrades and is realy not that bad of a deal. I dont use it enough to want it.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, why so much fighting. Really, IF you want GPS, flash with the hack. IF you want VZW to release an update, don't hold your breath. IF you want to complain, contact the FTC. IF you want to gripe and moan, . . .

The update will happen when it happens or it won't. No matter how you got into the contract with VZW, which sales person lied to you, or if you simply were not educated: You are in a contract until it is either broken, changed, or time elapsed. Spending so much of your energy serves no one and it doesn't solve the issue at hand.

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here's a quick and easy solution to your problem knowing the verizon only uses vzn which sucks and costs you 10 bucks insted ofgetting all upset and filing a bogus complaint that will go now whare cause you really don't have a ligit case JUST SWITCH COMPANIES

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Yes, Google makes money from ads, and Verizon makes (**** tons) of money from our monthly phone bills.

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and this ridiculous thread lives on...its like a roach...

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I understand why people are upset, but I do not sympathize.

They went in, signed a contract, and bought a phone. It is their responsibility to find what limitations the device has imposed on it, and what the contract terms are.

Ignorance is never bliss.

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I'm happily using GPS on the cooked rom, but when I bought my Omnia, both Samsung and Verizon were advertising it with GPS (Samsung is still advertising it with GPS, and no "*only with vznavigator" catch phrases either). VZ took it off their adverts, but many people were still told it would be usable with third party apps by sales folk.

I can see where they'd be pissed. I just used my 6800 still when I needed gps, and waited. Both phones have it now, woot!

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Come to think of it... I recall when my company got Worldwide edition Blackberry 8830's, the GPS in those was disabled by VZW, and also would only work with vznav.

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Advertisements have these neat little tiny fine prints that say, "subject to change without notice" and other clever phrases.

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It is not about advertisements, nor contracts, nor cooked ROMs, etc. It is about following the law and like it or not (evidentally not)section 255 of the FCC code is still the law. Of course Dr. Day was also critized with similar non-arguments when she filed her lawsuit against VZ.

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Thats a pretty weak interpretation of the law but hey, good luck with that!

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this thread is like jason, it just won't die lol!

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Well, I am giving you the interpretation that the FCC and the courts have made. If you know better then them then lets have your interpretation.