Evo 4g/Evo 3D

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

No, I thought you said the Thunderbolt and Evo benched the same despite their RAM differences. I now see that you said the Incredible. I'm wondering what you were talking about since both have 512 MB of RAM?

Ok after looking into it apparently it does have 512mb ram...early on there was some sort of bug that made it only use 256mb ram and many tech sites reported it as 256mb ram...

Man if you could hear yourself... So the quantity of RAm is irrelevant as long as there is enough to make it not relevant. lol I will say this again. the Evo 3D will bench higher than the Sensation, because RAM absolutely DOES matter, especially on a Sense ROM, with all the stock bloatware.

Look..if I take any form of pc and install 1 ram chip of 256mb and another 512mb..and run a benchmark and they both have the same exact stuff installed and have enough free mem to run the benchmark..within the margin of error and aside from accounting manufacturer defects they would bench virtually the same...this has ALWAYS been the case..I dont see how this is any different...

If you dont believe me..ask in the Evo3d forum whether or not it would bench faster then the sensation based on more ram..

Again, it is common sense that qhd will have a lower fps than wvga. What next, you tell me that a 13 inch 1080p tv has a higher pixel density than a 65 inch 1080p tv? Don't point to a test that is based on fps as evidence of a higher bench. Maybe I care more about the resolution- which the Galaxy S 2 isn't even in the same ballpark as the Evo 3D in that regard. Just like I care more about the size of a 65 inch tv than I do about the pixel density on a 13 inch tv.

Your not listening to what I am saying..I am not denying that fitting in a higher resolution would cause lower FPS..put quadrant results aside..we are talking about smartbench..quadrant is pointless as its a defective benchmark...

Says the guy posting all kinds of BS claims all through this thread. Remember- you are the one who Samsung always has the best specs on their phones. When I pointed out the Evo 3D is better than any Samsung phone even announced, you said the Galaxy S 2 was equal or better in every spec. You also said HTC was merely catching up to what every other manufacturer had done several years ago. And when I called you on all this BS, all I got was a bunch of excuses, a bunch of blatantly false claims, and plenty of subject changes. You are here telling me RAM doesn't make a difference in performance, lol. And you cite as evidence two nearly identical phones having similar performance. lol

um ok then lets review based on our spec comparison.


Screen: Tie as one has qhd and 3d while the other is super amoled plus
Processor: SGS2 as higher productivity score
GPU: Ill give it a tie for now due to disputed resolution debate
ROM: SGS2 as more rom
Camera: Unkown as for camera the sensor is most important and we have no way of comparing until both devices hit the street
LED: Evo as dual LED
FFC: SGS2 as 2mp
Weight: SGS2 as lighter
Battery: Evo3d as bigger battery
wifi:SGS2 as 5ghz support
Thickness: SGS2 as thinner
NFC: SGS2 as actually has one
Hardware encryption: SGS2 as has encryption
Codecs: SGS2 as more codecs

So the red is Evo 3d wins, blue is SGS 2 wins and green is ties..purple is unkown factors..by these results SGS 2 has better hardware specs..

Look you have to understand this..samsung has the advantage...while HTC has to spend time with the manufacturer samples to build their devices..Samsung can skip the 3-6month R&D and already start designing a phone...so all the components samsung gets will be 3-6 month ahead of HTC in newness...

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

um ok then lets review based on our spec comparison.


Screen: Tie as one has qhd and 3d while the other is super amoled plus
Processor: SGS2 as higher productivity score
GPU: Ill give it a tie for now due to disputed resolution debate
ROM: SGS2 as more rom
Camera: Unkown as for camera the sensor is most important and we have no way of comparing until both devices hit the street
LED: Evo as dual LED
FFC: SGS2 as 2mp
Weight: SGS2 as lighter
Battery: Evo3d as bigger battery
wifi:SGS2 as 5ghz support
Thickness: SGS2 as thinner
NFC: SGS2 as actually has one
Hardware encryption: SGS2 as has encryption
Codecs: SGS2 as more codecs

So the red is Evo 3d wins, blue is SGS 2 wins and green is ties..purple is unkown factors..by these results SGS 2 has better hardware specs..

Look you have to understand this..samsung has the advantage...while HTC has to spend time with the manufacturer samples to build their devices..Samsung can skip the 3-6month R&D and already start designing a phone...so all the components samsung gets will be 3-6 month ahead of HTC in newness...

I will skip all the BS about how the bench marks of a Sensation with lower specs should be considered valid. You can say it as many times as you want, it doesn't make it true. the fact is, the Evo 3D WILL bench higher than the Sensation. Period. And another thing, it's not fair to bench a stock Sense ROM. You want accurate bench tests, the absolute LEAST you can do is bench the actual phone you're trying to compare. Not some lesser phone and then try to lie and say the bench will be the same. And in addition to that, use an AOSP ROM, not a freaking stock, bloated ROM.

Now, onto your spec comparison:
Screen: Evo 3D wins in a landslide. Not only is it a much higher resolution, but it's glasses free 3D. To say this is a tie is flat out BS.
Processor: Your BS bench marks aside, we don't know which processor is better. The OS they are running on has never supported dual cores. We'll see hwo they do on an OS made to support them.
Camera: Evo 3D in a landslide. It shoots 3D videos and pictures. To say this is a tie is more BS.
LED: Evo 3D has dual.
FFC: Funny how you said the back camera was unknown, even though the Evo has 2 of them and does 3D, but you call the FFC a win for the Galaxy S 2. This one is the true unknown.
Weight: Galaxy S 2 but who cares. A few grams difference won't be anything you notice.
Battery: Evo 3D in a landslide.
Wifi: Evo 3D does 5Ghz Wifi. You putingt this as a win for the Galaxy S2 is more BS.
Thickness: galaxy S2 but who cares. A couple mm isn't something you will notice.
NFC: Galaxy S2. Who cares? Nobody uses NFC right now anyway, and if you want it you can get an SD card.
Hardware encryption: The Evo 3D has hardware encryption. More BS that you put this as a win for the Galaxy S2.
Codecs: Again, more BS that you would put codecs as an advantage. You can install whatever codec you want on the Evo 3D.

So cutting through all of your BS and false claims, the real numbers (on the stuff you posted) would be Evo 3D: 4, Galaxy S2: 3 (and that is counting NFC, which can be added to the Evo 3D), Unknown or tie: 4

Now, lets talk about the full HDMI device output, the HTC Watch movie service, and the youtube 3D app.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I will skip all the BS about how the bench marks of a Sensation with lower specs should be considered valid. You can say it as many times as you want, it doesn't make it true. the fact is, the Evo 3D WILL bench higher than the Sensation. Period. And another thing, it's not fair to bench a stock Sense ROM. You want accurate bench tests, the absolute LEAST you can do is bench the actual phone you're trying to compare. Not some lesser phone and then try to lie and say the bench will be the same. And in addition to that, use an AOSP ROM, not a freaking stock, bloated ROM.

The SGS2 has TW4.0 and I am sure bloat as well..an ASOP to ASOP will provide a better result yes..but does not justify such high distinction.

As for Evo 3d vs Sensation..as someone who majored in Computer engineering..what your speaking of is IMPOSSIBLE..its not how ram works...it is possible in SSDs as having larger SSD size means more speed. But for RAM what you speak of is not possible...are you going to tell me next that HTC figured out how to defy the laws physics?

Screen: Evo 3D wins in a landslide. Not only is it a much higher resolution, but it's glasses free 3D. To say this is a tie is flat out BS.

I have seen both in CES2011 and I wont call it a win by a landslide...Super AMOLED Plus is better..but I gave it a tie as it boils down to preference...

Processor: Your BS bench marks aside, we don't know which processor is better. The OS they are running on has never supported dual cores. We'll see hwo they do on an OS made to support them.

For 10th time..smart bench supports dual cores..

Camera: Evo 3D in a landslide. It shoots 3D videos and pictures. To say this is a tie is more BS.

Ok let me put it to you this way..do you think anyone wil actually take 3d photos? most ppl take photos for facebook and etc..3d becomes useless for that..and as far as video..its a fun thing to play around with but end of the day we both know you and me will be shooting 1080p video over 720p in 3d any day...to date galaxy s 2 has one of the best cellphone cameras..

LED: Evo 3D has dual.

to note I left this as an advantage to the Evo3d but its irrelevant..

FFC: Funny how you said the back camera was unknown, even though the Evo has 2 of them and does 3D, but you call the FFC a win for the Galaxy S 2. This one is the true unknown.

um..ok...galaxy s2 has a 2mp camera thats been used before...Evo3d has same old 1.3mp camera..whats unkown here.. please explain?

Weight: Galaxy S 2 but who cares. A few grams difference won't be anything you notice.

its almost half the weight...

Wifi: Evo 3D does 5Ghz Wifi. You putingt this as a win for the Galaxy S2 is more BS.

since when? I found 0 inidcations of Evo3d having 5ghz and sensation doesnt either..so where do you base this from? you also didnt argue with it when i posted it originally as evo3d having only 2.4ghz..why now?

Thickness: galaxy S2 but who cares. A couple mm isn't something you will notice.

its a pretty big difference..and thin is all the rave these days...I personally dont care..I mean I use a kb phone..but A LOT of people do care..

NFC: Galaxy S2. Who cares? Nobody uses NFC right now anyway, and if you want it you can get an SD card.

a lot do..in NY our public transportation has NFC support and a lot of places do too...as for SD approach..it only works if its not in a metal sd cover aka all phones are in metal sd covers..and will you really put your credit card to a Chinese based company?

Hardware encryption: The Evo 3D has hardware encryption. More BS that you put this as a win for the Galaxy S2.

I have not found info to support this..I asked you earlier if you can and you didnt..until you can provide me proof that it does it doesnt have it for records sake..

Codecs: Again, more BS that you would put codecs as an advantage. You can install whatever codec you want on the Evo 3D.

you do realize we were talking about hardware..not software right? aka this is HARDWARE decode of codecs..not software decode...BIG difference..

So cutting through all of your BS and false claims, the real numbers (on the stuff you posted) would be Evo 3D: 4, Galaxy S2: 3 (and that is counting NFC, which can be added to the Evo 3D), Unknown or tie: 4

um..you just made up half the stuff with no evidence to support it..

to make it easier ill sow you where I got my claims..so you have to provide equivalents..k?

Samsung GALAXY S II
Samsung GALAXY S II
Samsung Galaxy S II hits the FCC, potentially ready for AT&T 3G -- Engadget
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/

I have accounted for all the specs..

Now, lets talk about the full HDMI device output, the HTC Watch movie service, and the youtube 3D app.

both have the MHL port...or you want to do a software comparison?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

The SGS2 has TW4.0 and I am sure bloat as well..an ASOP to ASOP will provide a better result yes..but does not justify such high distinction.

I love how you act like your BS is absolute fact, and when called on the BS, you admit it is BS and then make some lame excuse for why we should use it anyway.

Originally Posted by gTen

As for Evo 3d vs Sensation..as someone who majored in Computer engineering..what your speaking of is IMPOSSIBLE..its not how ram works...it is possible in SSDs as having larger SSD size means more speed. But for RAM what you speak of is not possible...are you going to tell me next that HTC figured out how to defy the laws physics?

Oh great. So now HTC has to be defying the laws of physics in order to make a device with 25% more RAM perform better. Man, you are just wrong. Period. Again, no matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. Nobody in their right mind would ever say a bloated stock ROM running the latest and most bloated version of Sense would perform the same on 2 devices with a 25% difference in RAM.

Originally Posted by gTen

I have seen both in CES2011 and I wont call it a win by a landslide...Super AMOLED Plus is better..but I gave it a tie as it boils down to preference...

Man, you are a real piece of work. Listen to yourself here.
Me: My car gets better gas mileage, goes faster, is way more reliable, has 4 wheel drive that goes anywhere, is more spacious, handles better, and even turns into a boat at the touch of a button.
You: Mine doesn't do any of that, but it's a Toyota so we'll call it a tie.

Originally Posted by gTen

For 10th time..smart bench supports dual cores..

Not accurately. If the OS doesn't support dual cores, the bench test doesn't either.

Originally Posted by gTen

Ok let me put it to you this way..do you think anyone wil actually take 3d photos? most ppl take photos for facebook and etc..3d becomes useless for that..and as far as video..its a fun thing to play around with but end of the day we both know you and me will be shooting 1080p video over 720p in 3d any day...to date galaxy s 2 has one of the best cellphone cameras..

Again, you are wrong. I, and many others, will be taking PLENTY of 3D pictures and videos. Millions of 3D tv's are sold every year, and all the biggest and best movies are in 3D. If you aren't on the bandwagon yet, you're getting left behind. At some point you WILL have a 3D tv. It's the next evolution in tv's and within the next couple years, all the new tvs will be 3D. You can't avoid it.

Originally Posted by gTen

um..ok...galaxy s2 has a 2mp camera thats been used before...Evo3d has same old 1.3mp camera..whats unkown here.. please explain?

So are you implying that the video chats and mirror app will be better because the camera takes a bigger image?Explain to me how the higher MP of the front camera, which will probably never be used for most high quality pictures and videos, is an advantage?

Originally Posted by gTen

its almost half the weight...

So? Two ants is twice the weight of one ant. I guarantee you won't feel the difference. And yet, I still listed it as an advantage for the Samsung Galaxy S 2.

Originally Posted by gTen

since when? I found 0 inidcations of Evo3d having 5ghz and sensation doesnt either..so where do you base this from? you also didnt argue with it when i posted it originally as evo3d having only 2.4ghz..why now?

I didn't notice you make that claim before. It is listed in the fcc documents. So is NFC support, but the chip is absent (meaning an SD card will work the exact same as a built in NFC).

Originally Posted by gTen

its a pretty big difference..and thin is all the rave these days...I personally dont care..I mean I use a kb phone..but A LOT of people do care..

Just like 3D is all the rave. AT least I gave this an advantage for the Galaxy S 2, unlike you with the Evo 3D's 3D screen and cameras.

Originally Posted by gTen

a lot do..in NY our public transportation has NFC support and a lot of places do too...as for SD approach..it only works if its not in a metal sd cover aka all phones are in metal sd covers..and will you really put your credit card to a Chinese based company?

You are not being accurate again. The performance will diminish the more covered it is, but neither you, nor I, know how an SD card NFC in an Evo 3D will compare to the built in NFC of the Samsung Galaxy S 2. For all we know the SD card will perform better. None the less, I listed it as an advantage for the Samsung Galaxy S.

Originally Posted by gTen

I have not found info to support this..I asked you earlier if you can and you didnt..until you can provide me proof that it does it doesnt have it for records sake..

I am not going to do all of your research for you. You throw these claims out there as fact, make sure you know what you're talking about first. Consider this the only time I do this, but here is a link that should point you in the right direction:
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_ser...securemsm.html
http://www.qualcomm.com/.../snapdrag...duct-brief.pdf

Originally Posted by gTen

you do realize we were talking about hardware..not software right? aka this is HARDWARE decode of codecs..not software decode...BIG difference..

No, it is NOT a big difference. They both play the same videos in the end. One of them plays them at a considerably higher resolution though.

Originally Posted by gTen

um..you just made up half the stuff with no evidence to support it..

to make it easier ill sow you where I got my claims..so you have to provide equivalents..k?

Samsung GALAXY S II
Samsung GALAXY S II
Samsung Galaxy S II hits the FCC, potentially ready for AT&T 3G -- Engadget
Smartphone Benchmarks - Submit and compare Smartbench 2011,Smartbench 2010 and Quadrant benchmark results

I have accounted for all the specs..

Wow, you posted some irrelevant links. Good for you. Not sure why you think I should care about any of those links.

Originally Posted by gTen

both have the MHL port...or you want to do a software comparison?

Both have an MHL port. One of them has full HDMI mirroring on the output though, and has several movie streaming services (Blockbuster, Netflix, Youtube 3D, HTC Watch). Of course, that would be the Evo 3D.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

I love how you act like your BS is absolute fact, and when called on the BS, you admit it is BS and then make some lame excuse for why we should use it anyway.

I have never put out anything as facts..I was trying to have a civilized discussion between both of us where we both share our information without trying to bash each other...I make mistakes yes, I make typos yes..but so far I have given proof to support any concrete information I have.

Oh great. So now HTC has to be defying the laws of physics in order to make a device with 25% more RAM perform better. Man, you are just wrong. Period. Again, no matter how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true. Nobody in their right mind would ever say a bloated stock ROM running the latest and most bloated version of Sense would perform the same on 2 devices with a 25% difference in RAM.

Sigh..I guess we gonna have to go down to the basics..If you have 1 gallon of water, and I have 0.75 gallons of water and we poor 0.01 gallons of water at the same rate..who will be faster? Everyone knows sense is bloated..but its not gonna eat up 768mb of ram...

Man, you are a real piece of work. Listen to yourself here.
Me: My car gets better gas mileage, goes faster, is way more reliable, has 4 wheel drive that goes anywhere, is more spacious, handles better, and even turns into a boat at the touch of a button.
You: Mine doesn't do any of that, but it's a Toyota so we'll call it a tie.

Do you want a comparison of Super AMOLED plus to gHD? for reference..have you seen super amoled plus and qHD screens in person?

Not accurately. If the OS doesn't support dual cores, the bench test doesn't either.

you are aware that you dont have to use native android api inside android correct? most top end games actually go around it and try to write native code..smartbench claims they are dual core compatible and they spend months working on improving it..it was was made by a community member on XDA and I'll take his word for it over yours as he seems to be more knowledgeable in that field over both me and you.

Again, you are wrong. I, and many others, will be taking PLENTY of 3D pictures and videos. Millions of 3D tv's are sold every year, and all the biggest and best movies are in 3D. If you aren't on the bandwagon yet, you're getting left behind. At some point you WILL have a 3D tv. It's the next evolution in tv's and within the next couple years, all the new tvs will be 3D. You can't avoid it.

Is that why you have all these people assume that the evo 3d is only improvement is 3d and say "they dont care for it"? 3d tv sales are poor overall...and from what I have seen in CES2011 not one 3d LCD impressed me glasses or glasses free..the ONLY one that impressed me was an LG OLED 3d tv...

So are you implying that the video chats and mirror app will be better because the camera takes a bigger image?Explain to me how the higher MP of the front camera, which will probably never be used for most high quality pictures and videos, is an advantage?

2mp is what you need to get 1080p video...and all the best web video cameras are 2mp...so 2mp is a standard for video conferencing...

So? Two ants is twice the weight of one ant. I guarantee you won't feel the difference. And yet, I still listed it as an advantage for the Samsung Galaxy S 2.

The difference is there..my TP2 weighs 178.5 g (around an evo3d)..my Epic weighs 155g which is more then the SGS2..and FIRST thing I noticed was the weight drop..anyone who bought an Epic can tell you its something you notice A LOT...either way we are in agreement over the weight overall so lets move off this..

I didn't notice you make that claim before. It is listed in the fcc documents. So is NFC support, but the chip is absent (meaning an SD card will work the exact same as a built in NFC).

you know..my Epic has AWS support..its right there...just need a radio and it will work :/

Anyways..I have skimmed over the FCC documentation...I only see 2.4ghz band..nothing on 5ghz..I also do not see any frequency for NFC aka RFID frequency in there :/..can you point me where you found this? cause its not in the FCC documentation...

Just like 3D is all the rave. AT least I gave this an advantage for the Galaxy S 2, unlike you with the Evo 3D's 3D screen and cameras.

I have yet to hear one person say 3d is a must on a phone..I have heard thinness as a must but never 3d...

You are not being accurate again. The performance will diminish the more covered it is, but neither you, nor I, know how an SD card NFC in an Evo 3D will compare to the built in NFC of the Samsung Galaxy S 2. For all we know the SD card will perform better. None the less, I listed it as an advantage for the Samsung Galaxy S.

The company that made it themselves said it wont work...if the creators word is not good enough for you then sorry I dont know what to say...

I am not going to do all of your research for you. You throw these claims out there as fact, make sure you know what you're talking about first. Consider this the only time I do this, but here is a link that should point you in the right direction:
Terms and Conditions: Snapdragon Accessories

Ok..before I start laughing my socks off I want to respond to you seriously..I try my best to find sources to backup the information that I have..sometimes the information may not be up to date hence I correct it...so far you refuse to even put any effort to prove your point and say it is because it is..

Now if you excuse me...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LOL HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

ok back to being serious..I want to clarify..I was not laughing at you in any way shape or form..I just found your link funny to my request..let me explain..

snapdragonnj is a online store thats sells jewelry and apparel..as all online stores..they utilize SSL technology..SSL is an encryption mechanism for 2 way communication between server and client. It is made by generating a key and sending it to the client, then the client uses the key to make its own key and sends it back to the server..hence you now established a secure communication.

This is unrelated to hardware encryption which is used for storage and is COMPLETELY unrelated to Qualcomm's Snapdragon...

No, it is NOT a big difference. They both play the same videos in the end. One of them plays them at a considerably higher resolution though.

I guess I'm going to have to explain hardware decode vs software decode..ok here is the difference..in software decoding your CPU/GPU spends its resources decoding video/audio..its so taxing that even old desktop pcs can have issues decoding video software wise...this wastes both cycles and battery life as your CPU is forced to constantly be working in max speed...hardware decode means you have a dedicated chip that handles decoding of video and is specifically designed for decoding video..CPUs and GPUs are not...this allows the cpu/gpu to pretty much idle or underclock itself while this chipset efficiently handles the processing..

Wow, you posted some irrelevant links. Good for you. Not sure why you think I should care about any of those links.

Those links are there to prove the specs I represented for the SGS 2..I am waiting for you to do the same for the Evo 3d..

Both have an MHL port. One of them has full HDMI mirroring on the output though, and has several movie streaming services (Blockbuster, Netflix, Youtibe 3D, HTC Watch). Of course, that would be the Evo 3D.

All of them have that..prob not youtube 3d, but blockbuster, netflix, and media hub all work fine...

if you want to talk about software..which one has VPN software from cisco?

anyways lets not get into software yet..

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

Qualcomm Products and Services - SecureMSM
http://www.qualcomm.com/.../snapdrag...duct-brief.pdf

I see you changed your links..anyways..lets get to the point..I am sorry I cant put that as a feature for the Evo3d based on that info..

the thudnerbolt/mytouch 4g cpu has securemsm as well and doesnt do those things:

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/fi...duct-brief.pdf

so while securemsm "might" be it..not enough documentation..so either HTC isnt using it or its not the same..

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by gTen

I see you changed your links..anyways..lets get to the point..I am sorry I cant put that as a feature for the Evo3d based on that info..

the thudnerbolt/mytouch 4g cpu has securemsm as well and doesnt do those things:

http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/fi...duct-brief.pdf

so while securemsm "might" be it..not enough documentation..so either HTC isnt using it or its not the same..

So don't put it in your personal list of features then, lol. Like I care if you list it as a feature or not. Qualcomm does, Netflix does, and I will have it on my Evo 3D. Like I have said all along, just because you keep saying something doesn't mean it's true. You're on qualcom's website, reading about the features of their Snapdragon chip, and still denying said feature is there. lol, what can I tell you man.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by BlackDynamite

So don't put it in your personal list of features then, lol. Like I care if you list it as a feature or not. Qualcomm does, Netflix does, and I will have it on my Evo 3D. Like I have said all along, just because you keep saying something doesn't mean it's true. You're on qualcom's website, reading about the features of their Snapdragon chip, and still denying said feature is there. lol, what can I tell you man.

Its unrelated to netflix, pretty much every phone can run netflix now one way or the other...what it means is when data is stored on your phone by default is is AES encrypted..this way if an app goes viral or someone steals your phone..your personal/corporate info is secure..

AES 256-bit encryption on Fujitsu hard drives | Defense in Depth - CNET News
AES Hard Drive protection at the hardware level - Stingray

This is a very important corporate feature that so far has been lacking..there are software implementations via apps and winmo had software implementations..but hardware implementation is better and more secure.

I have not seen HTC make use of SecueMSM to accomplish this in devices capable of it...hence SecureMSM either cant or HTC has not programmed support for it.