Mogul or Touch??
 

Ok Guys I really need some help. I have searched the forms and read everything I could find on this issue but I am still undecided. Im on day 28 of my new contract for sprint with the Mogul and i am on the fence of whether I should exchange it for the touch while I still can. Im wondering if the extra memory will really make a difference being that I rarely have more than a few program open at a time. The size of the touch is also a perk. Although I don't think I would use the touch flow, so thats not a biggy for me.

I rarely use the keyboard or the wifi with the mogul but both are always good to have, since you might never no when they could be of use. I also never use blue tooth so any problems with it don't matter to me. I was also thinking with total protection insurance on my phone, in the future if anything would happen to my mogul i would likely receive the upgraded version for the phone(w.e that might be, Hopefully Titan 2) after they discontinue it, especially since it is very hard to fix in a store. The mogul is also selling for about the same the touch is on eBay so I am guessing the Mogul will have more value in the long run since its been out for longer.

Btw will the Touch also receive rev A and GPS in early Q1 2008?

In any case I am overall pretty happy with the mogul esp since i flashed rom 2.17.

Thanks Alot!

If I were you I'd just process a return now on the mogul and buy an touch - wait on returning the mogul and if you decide to keep the touch you're in the clear. The touch has been given an unfair rap I think in reviews - the interface isn't as user friendly as the iphone, but one of the biggest criticisms is the lack of a very usable keyboard - which given the open nature of the phone is easily rectified by a few different alternative keypads. If you hardly use the keyboard on the mogul, I'd think the touch would be a great choice. I hardly ever use wifi on my mogul - but I am a heavy texter, so I absolutely need a real keyboard.

I just made the switch from Mogul to Touch. I don't think I will look back, I like I can keep lots of programs open, and the Touch is always quick. If you see yourself turning the mogul into the Touch then maybe switch.

I would not rely on getting the new version of the phone if you break yours as if that can/does occur it will be a couple of years away and something better will be out. Not a good thing to rely on.

If you have specific questions ask and I will answer, I posted some of my results of switching on a different thread so I would search for that thread.

I don't know about Rev a there is a thread on that. The bluetooth between the Touch and Mogul is like night and day though. Almost like the Touch has real bluetooth and the Mogul has something that was thrown together at the last minute.

I received my Touch from Sprint today, and here's what I have to say:

-The extra RAM doesn't seem to make that big of a difference.
Okay, sure, I can run 20 applications without much lag, but what's the real point in that? I was already used to closing the apps I wasn't using with the Mogul (thus freeing up RAM for apps that needed it), so the extra RAM now seems redundant. I placed the Touch and Mogul side to side, and the Mogul was actually a bit faster at loading the Today screen from sleep mode.

-The lack of a hard keyboard gives the Touch a completely different experience.
I used the Mogul keyboard a lot. I thought the software keyboards on the Touch would make fine substitutes; I was wrong. There is nothing like typing on the Mogul's hard keyboard. If you text a lot, or you can't live without a good keyboard, do NOT go for the Touch. Keep your Mogul.

-The only real good thing about the Touch is the form factor.
Really. Compared to the Mogul, the Touch is at least 30% smaller, 20% lighter, and has a screen twice as bright. There is an extra layer between the surface and the touch screen, so even with the stylus, pressing the screen requires a bit more pressure than with the Mogul.

I'm not sure if I will keep the Touch or stay with the Mogul. I will give it a few days before I decide.

I can't live with touch screen only. I had the Iphone, and sold it to order a mogul. I'm still waiting on the mogul, but the mere thought of going back to a touch only screen and trying to text or post in forums makes me want to kill myself.

lol im not surprised that ppl are still on the fence about this.....but i can't agree with supark more.... well maybe not on buyin a touch just to test then return... ugh i know i wouldn't lol :P but thats just cuz im cheap right now lol but its still good advice... you really need to test it out and get a real feel for it to know which is for you.... i like them both... ugh i can't believe im still talking about this lol..... you apparently already know all the differences... pros and cons.... I think you have a good idea of what to expect ether way.... I got my mogul threw insurance , and I expect to get a upgrade ether when i switch to sero or insurance once its discontinued... lol......... i hope your happy with whatever you end up doing... i completely understand your dilemma......... about 90% of us on this site have been there.... btw I got a touch for my gf and prolly use it as much as she does... u know.. just to keep her up to date with the latest and greatest.... and u know... to say hi to it n stuff lol

ok i just though about this.... and i feel i need to mention it and also to touch base with what CD said..... because i feel... it hasn't been mentioned much... and most people over look it.... i want to begin by saying... the touch IS more reliable than the mogul in my experience (If YOU ARE NOT EXPERIENCED WITH WM OR JUST PLAIN NOT TECH SAVVY) BECAUSE of the HIGHER RAM.... ok THAT has been said plenty of times... and Iv said it plenty of times....

now to touch base with what CDRacingZX6R said because I feel they made a good point
... the TOUCH does NOT have a left and right hard button.... now its unusual but SOME windows mobile software is NOT touch screen compatible.... and is IN FACT..... in some cases.... USELESS without the left and right hardkeys..... for example...... cingulars music id (wich u can get around on somewhat... enough to id a song with the D-PAD) or emulators.... lucky this is not the norm... just food for thought .... that said.... choose wisely.


why the BOLD LETTERS? lol I donno..... kinda important if u didn't know tho... thos buttons r sometimes MANDATORY is alllz im sayinnnnn.

ill put it like this.. if ur usually good with technology and already have alot of experience with windows mobile then u can handel the moguls ram... which is its only down fall in my opinion.... i'v never had a problem with bluetooth.... i make calls and listen to music via bt all the time. and never had the roaming issues ether.... the touch is better for the less savvy... IN MY OPINION (its actually fact im just trying to be nice lol)... not to say if you get the touch that your not savvy... only that you NEEED to be somewhat savvy to enjoy the mogul.... i can't wait till something like (or better than) the att tilt comes out for cdma... that would solve this dilemma for most

I do agree with you, and i do really like the mogul, i haven't seen 1 low memory screen yet because i do manage it well. So I think the extra memory wouldn't make that big of a deal for me. I just don't want to regret my decision later on. But now im starting to lean toward to mogul.

Does anyone know if the Touch will have Rev A and Gps enabled in Q1 for sure? I cant find a sure answer on this.

And will the Mogul get Sprint Tv or is that just a Rumor?

Thanks Guys

Both the mogul and the touch have been advertised by sprint to be revision A upgradeable... it says it as one of the saleing points when you view the phones on sprints website.... as far as gps you've upgraded to 2.17 so you know about the moguls promised upgrade for gps already... but this is widely presumed to be A-gps and not gps, in short meaning the gps is assisted by cellphone towers... it also widely assumed the touch will have the same a-gps enablement but I never seen this from any official source.... but its not far fetched... I believe if its already promised to the mogul the touch is anything but left out being that its newer and more commercial... and so far sprint tv officially coming to the mogul is just a rumor and speculation right now... i really don't see why they wouldn't tho.. it works just fine as far as the moguls hardware is concerned

I think the reset rate of the apache, mogul, and touch is like this for the majority.

Every 1 time you might have to reset a touch you would have to reset the mogul twice as much and a apache 3 times as much. hows that sound? :D made sense to me :P

I decided to purchase my first smartphone about a month ago. I was going to get an iphone, but decided against it after discovering Sprint SERO.

I narrowed my choices down to the touch and mogul. I went with the touch for the following reasons:

1. I've never used a hard keyboard before. Thus, if I've never had something, I know I won't miss it.

2. Size. If I decide that a smartphone isn't for me (and go back to the old paper dayplanner) I'll still need a usable phone, and would rather take the touch with me than have the "brick" in my pocket.

The rest of the "cons" about the touch didn't affect me very much. In my personal experience, everytime i'm within the range of a wi-fi signal, I'm also in the range of a computer, so the loss of wi-fi wasn't a big deal. I've also never used an IR port in my life. Once the touch finally arrives I'll be able to comment further.

Are talking about hard or soft rests?

I was talking about soft resets.

that would sux if it was the other way around tho.

After day one of using the Touch in the field, I am seriously leaning towards reactivating my Mogul and sending back the Touch. The soft keyboards are HORRIBLE, how can anybody type efficiently with them??

Fortunately (for our Touch lovers), the lack of a hard keyboard is probably the only real drawback with the Touch. It is a beautiful phone, but also very feminine; it is the perfect size, small enough to fit in a pocket, but too small a screen for soft keyboards to perform well enough. Typing is a nightmare, and I spend at least thrice as long with typing a text message as I would have with the Mogul. And the lack of support for the Palm Threaded SMS app makes it even worse.

The OZ Instant Messenger program is great though. It will stay signed in even if you exit the application, and most likely uses SMS for the messages since there is some latency between messages. I would love it if this app worked on the Mogul, but it doesn't.

Battery life is also weaker, most likely attributed to the smaller battery capacity, 1100mAh compared to 1500mAh on the Mogul.

TouchFLO SUCKS. I disabled it and use SPB's Smart Scrolling instead, which is available on the Mogul as well. I didn't find myself using the Cube at all, though it does look cool, it's pretty much useless to me.

The double RAM... This was a big draw factor for me, but as I said in my post above, now it just seems redundant. However, I was running like 20 applications without even knowing it; the phone runs smoothly still! The Mogul would have started choking at around 5 applications.

The screen is very bright, but suffers from a bad viewing angle. You have to hold the phone almost directly parallel to your face in order to get the best colors; the Mogul was fine even if you were looking at it flat on the table.

Anyway, that's my two cents so far. I will use it for at least a day or two, and see how it fares.

if you're looking for more of a smartphone - have you considered the moto q9c? The call quality is actually better I've found than on the Mogul and with the standard battery and cover replacing the extended one it's quite thin.

I tried out the touch but now that I finally have my mogul - I'm really glad I went that route. There is really no substitute for a real keyboard - especially if you're a heavy texter/emailer on your phone.

Still using both and it was a toss up for about a month but my touch is really pulling away. its just a way better device overall, no freezes ups, volumn works, bluetooth is awesome, ect... Keyboard was a major issue almost returned the touch after 3 days, but know I can type just as fast with touchpal as I can with a keyboard.
Im not new to ppc's Ive used the 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900. And the 6900 and 6600 have been best out of box, 6700 has so many custom options. 6800 had so much potential but the ball was droped on it.

Blatantly the Mogul.

I sat and thought about my usage since I purchased my phone. I'm about to go to a Touch from a 6700. Here's why...

1. I'm not a heavy texter. I rarely use my keyboard when I have to text. I've installed some better soft keyboards on my device and I'm pretty handy with the PCM Keyboard. Not as fast as typing on a keyboard, but fast enough to get stuff across. So I can afford to lose the keyboard.

2. I rarely use wifi on my phone. I usually need it to join a network. If I need it, like another poster stated I usually have a laptop that I can use. Rarely browse but if I do Ev-Do is sufficient. And when that Ev-Do Rev. A drops that's all I'll need.

3. More RAM/ROM obviously.
(The thing with the RAM that I find interesting is the fact that WM5/6 trained it's users to be resource Nazis. Myself included. LOL. We close a programs after we use it. F that. I decided I wanna live a little. I wanna run a million programs all at once! LOL.)

4. Never used the IR port. Not once. Ever. Glad to get rid of that.

5. Smaller and sleek.

I have swapped back to the Mogul. The lack of a usable keyboard (to my Mogul-spoiled standards) makes typing on the Touch very aggravating. I don't know if it's the screen protector or just that extra plastic between the touch screen and the phone surface, but there seems to be image polarization when viewing the Touch in landscape mode. And because of that same extra layer, the screen requires twice as much pressure as it would on a Mogul. I'm used to the near-effortless screen strokes on my Mogul, so sometimes it takes two or three taps in order to register my selection.

I understand that some people can live without a workable keyboard, or wifi access, or even an IR port (useful for some laptops without BT). The Touch is truly reserved for those who simply want a nice stylish touch phone in a small size, willing to trade off features that some of us can't live without. It's a beautiful phone, very slender and soft to the touch, but it's crippled in terms of being an effective PDA. The Windows Bluetooth manager recognizes these differences, as the Mogul will appear with subtitle "Personal Digital Assistant," while the Touch is dubbed a mere "Smart Phone."

It is settled there. If you want a PDA, get the Mogul. If you want a smartphone with a touch screen, get the Touch.

It's not a trade off if you don't need the feature. So it's not just reserved for those "willing to trade off features." It's not crippled in terms of being an effective PDA. TouchFLO sits overtop of the same WM6 OS. It's a slightly different UI. Maybe a UI that you were uncomfortable with. If that's the case, that doesn't make it crippled. I was able to use the 6700 as a PDA and from playing with the Touch I'll be able to use this as a PDA as well.

And this sounds like elitism:

Hopefully this wasn't one of the reasons you think the Mogul is more of a phone.

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The screen is very bright, but suffers from a bad viewing angle. You have to hold the phone almost directly perpendicular to your face in order to get the best colors; the Mogul was fine even if you were looking at it flat on the table.
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That's right i forgot to mention the Touch's screen. I don't know how some people managed to argue that the touch's screen is better than the moguls but that's not true at all... just as leetsauce said above, you basically have to hold the touch directly in front of your face to get the best view, on the other had the mogul can be viewed clearly from any angle.

again...both phones are good... but for two diffrent types of users... do your research befor you buy.

It is a trade off for those who, like I said, can't live without the features. If you are happy and comfortable with the reduced productivity caused by the lack of a physical keyboard, more power to you. Typing with the on-screen keyboard took many times longer than it would have with the Mogul's hard keyboard; if this isn't crippling, it certainly is a quagmire to getting my work done on the phone efficiently.

TouchFLO is definitely the worst concoction of a kinetic scrolling interface ever. I know what it is, I know what it's used for, and I'm just saying it sucks at it. SPB's Smart Scrolling is much better at getting the same job done. I never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch, I merely said it sucks.

There is no real difference between the two UIs. They are both Windows Mobile 6. Much of the perceived differences are from the HTC bundled applications.

No, but it certainly reflects the target market that HTC had in mind when designing the two phones.

In depth Mogul vs Touch
 

I have been a long time user of this form, and have owned the 6600 (Tried 3 Different ROMS), 6700 (Tried dozens of ROMS), 6800 (Tried dozens of ROMS, and even made my own), and now the Touch (Still on first ROM). As I have owned 2 or 3 of each I am confident that my experience has been with the product type, not a faulty device. I like the Touch the best! Here are my findings, and I have rated each in level of importance on a scale of 1 to 5.

Cons:
(3) Keyboard - Yes, I do miss the keyboard. I have been practicing with the new Touch keyboard, and I have gotten used to it far faster that I expected I would. I only send about 1000 texts a month, and write maybe a few hundred emails, but I can defiantly live with out it.

(2) Buttons - Now this is a frustration for me! I wish the darn thing had more than one button! I like to use the hard buttons for shortcuts, and only having one is a little bit of a pain.

(1) Flash - Now I am not a cellphone camera user. I think if I am planning to take a picture I will just get a real camera. However the flash on the 6800 and the 6700 for that mater made for a great flash light that I do miss form time to time.

(1) Touch Keyboard - Though I like the Touch Keyboard, I also like using Calligrapher. Unfortunately the Touch Word Completion can not be shut off, and interferes with Calligrapher.

(1) Clarity - While the screen is brighter, it has a fade effect when you look at the device form a an angle.

(1) The SD Card - The card is hidden beneath the side panel of the device which means you have to take of the back, and then undo the side to get at it. What a pain in the but. Someone mentioned that it kept it safer, but I have never had an issue with the MicroSD cards coming out.

(0) I have seen several mentions about IR ports and 802.11. Seriously who uses 802.11 on a phone. I tried once and my phone went dead in 15 min. Also as someone pointed out if you are with in range of WiFi just get out your laptop. And as far as the IR port, I used it once about 3 years ago to play a battle ship game I had, never used it afterwards.

Pros:
(5) IT JUST WORKS!!!!! - Out of the box with no hacked ROMS and almost no customization the beautiful thing just works!!! Windows has yet to lock up on me. The system has yet to reboot, or freeze!! Windows just seems to work better with the extra memory, and maybe a cleaner ROM. If you just look at the programs in the start up folder there are considerably fewer.

(5) Bluetooth - Yes, bluetooth that actual can be used!! I know it is shocking, but imagine a $300+ phone where they, I don't know remembered that the original use of the device was for making and receiving calls!! I have the JX10 headset (Purchased for $150), and I have had it sitting on my desk for the last year because I couldn't use the darn thing. It was fantastic to dust it off and use it once again.

(5) The Phone - Yes, I know what a novel Idea, but the phone is much better with fewer dropped calls, and better reception.

(4) Memory - Who ever says that the memory is not an issue on the 6800 is smoking something!! I had memory issues all the time to the point I simply stopped installing software. Now I have the majority of my software installed, and I can still use the phone just fine.

(3) Slimmer - I find myself not noticing the device as much. It is smaller and more comfortable to carry.

(1) The Cube - Its nice, but not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I find it fun, but not as useful as I had hoped.

I think the battery life is almost the same, and everything else is close enough that is may be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. But that is my 2 pennis worth.

Just FYI these are the software programs I am running on the Touch, that I couldn't have hoped to run for very long on the 6800:

LobsterTunes, Pocket Mechanic, Sprite Backup HiCalc, MindMap, Age of Empires, Pocket Artist, Pocket Player, Brain Zapper, Resco Radio, Resco Explorer, SKTools, Tweaks2k2, Shazaa, Live Search, Pocket RAR, SprintTV, PhonePad Vibrate, VoiceMinder, Pocket Informant, SPB Insight, SPB Diary, Calligrapher, WkTask, iCube, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Home Customizer.

I am also planning on installing a few more programs and I will post how that goes as well. If I had installed all of these on the 6800 it would have crashed by now.

My advice get the Touch! You will miss the keyboard, but you will love the stability.

If you want to post your thoughts or vote in the running poll check out http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=14015

You didn't say that in your post, btw.

Well yeah. It's a quagmire to get your work done. It reduces your productivity. Not necessarily a quagmire for everyone to get their work done. It doesn't reduce everyone's productivity.

I know you never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch. I didn't say you said it. However you did say that it was crippled as a PDA. Which isn't etched in stone 'cause it's your preference.

Exactly. Which is why I said slightly different. The phone is trying to move you away from the stylus. Which makes it slightly different.

Well yeah.

At the end of the day it depends on preference. Just cause a phone doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it doesn't function. You did say you can understand how some people can live without certain things this phone doesn't have, but then say it's crippled. You think it's crippled. Fine. But know it's crippled based on your qualifications on what a PDA should be. So this sentence:

Should probably read more like:

If you want a PDA get the Mogul. If you want a PDA that's geared towards the touch screen, get the Touch. 'Cause a Touch isn't a smartphone.

Ah...like a working Bluetooth??

Ive had the Mogul for 4 months and the Touch for about a month now. Mogul's going byebye
-The screen sensitivity can be adjusted in the registry, so no issue there.
-I prefer the mogul's screen (viewing angles)
-The additional RAM is GREAT! Hibernate?? whats that?
-Touch texting SUX IMO and its not the KB as much as not seeing the threaded sms. Definately a one-up for the Mogul in that category.
-Touch stability/speed is great. 2-up on Mogul there.
-BLUETOOTH works flawlessly!

With that said i dont think the KB is a "Crippling" non-features but rather preference. I prefer it but some "freaks" like the soft KB :)

hmm isnt a mogul owner calling "cripple" kinda like "calling the kettle black"???

*snickers*

Uh, yes I did. It reads: "willing to trade off features that some of us can't live without." That is exactly what I said.

Again, this whole debate is purely subjective. Some people can use the on-screen keyboards fine, some will rather die. I am of the latter.

The Touch is crippled as a PDA not because of TouchFLO, but because of the lack of a keyboard. It is my opinion, and I will stick to it. The Touch is a crippled PDA.

Yes I acknowledge that, I'm just saying it does a horrible job at it.

Well isn't your judgment on the Mogul and Touch based on YOUR qualifications of a PDA?

There is no real point in arguing this. Maybe you're mad because I called the Touch a smartphone, whatever. It is definitely geared towards a different market audience, obviously one that doesn't need the keyboard or wifi. If you're of that audience, good for you. You are entitled to your own opinions about each phone as well, no need to bash others for what they believe. The Touch is still a crippled PDA to me.

By the way, Bluetooth works fine for me.

internetaffairs is right.

LMAO!

anyway.... can't wait for sprint to get a wm phone that does it all... flawlessly so ppl wouldn't feel like its a trade off... but personally im waiting until wm7 before I pay for another upgrade no matter how great the hardware is that comes out with wm6 (or 6.1) .... I'm also looking forward to wm8

I've had the Mogul for a couple weeks and have just processed an exchange for the touch. I thought that I could live with the issues that the mogul suffers but I just can't. Four main things are driving me a bit batty:

1) form factor - I'm just too used to having a small and light phone. the hard kb is great to have but I wish it was about a quarter of an inch thinner. It doesn't sit in my pocket well. Something that I could definitely get used to over time though

2) flimsy construction - the rear battery cover is so cheap and just generally the feel of the thing is kinda chintzy. After only a couple weeks of use the screen has developed a bit of play

3) stability - I'd do soft resets at least 4-5 times a day with the 2.09 ROM. Not that bad - but still pretty aggravating. However far too many times will the thing simply freeze up and slow down for no particular reason - the only solution being to reset it. The newested 2.17 ROM makes it even worse. I can hardly stand using it now - uninstalling and re-installing the X-button cab seems to have helped a bit but in the end it's a memory and ROM issue. I have to do soft resets pretty much every other time I pick the thing up. I'm not really even that intensive a user - I'm starting to understand why some people are so vehement about how poorly the thing runs with the current ROM. I thought a lot of people were going a bit overboard, but with people using the thing quite a bit and multi-tasking, I could see how it could drive someone absolutely nuts.

4) Bluetooth - related to the latter but seriously, why can't they figure out how to fix this so it works properly when the Tilt and Touch both seem to work fine in this function? I didn't think it would bug me as I don't use a headset or handsfree that often - but not having it work at all or very spotty at best bugs the crap out of me. Horrible signal noise on the receiver's end and low to no volume on my end. I have a fairly expensive handsfree bluetooth system in my car - I'd like to be able to use it...

I know that I will miss the hard kb - but using touchpal for a couple days on my mogul has helped me figure out how little I actually use the full qwerty keypad. The only time I actually really need the fully qwerty is when I'm inputting passwords. Otherwise for 90% of usage the touchpal keypad is actually as fast as using the full qwerty when I'm typing texts and such. It also gets better as you use touchpal as it will store often used or new words for later use.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

I agree 100%. Had the mogul for three months and switched to the Touch. Soft resetting to reinstate stability and ram is bothersome.

BTW, if you are having problems entering passwords with TouchPal, then just hit Help/Options on the top menu bar and select precise input mode then you should be able to enter passwords with no problem.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

My brother is a wm software developer and he told me microsoft purposely make the "x-botton" minimize instead of closing a program, they enforce it by not letting developers close the program with the x if they want "certified for wmobile" status. They actually want people to leave programs running so they open quicker. Anyways thought this was funny since the mogul has so little ram left over for programs. I kind of feel like the mogul is leftover 6700 parts with better battery and agps. Anyways I plan to hold out till the Mogul replacement and think the Touch is kind of girly shaped, like a makeup compact or something.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

I like the look and size of the Touch but I don't know if I would like not having the QWERTY keyboard. I don't know what you guys run on your Moguls but I rarely have to reset my Apache. I don't usually have to reset it at all most days but days I try stuff out on it I reset 2 or 3 times at most just because I'm trying different things on it. I don't really see the need to upgrade to the Touch or Mogul other than the size factor. I have an extended battery on my Apache so it is very large which is a little annoying but other than that I love it.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

Yeah, I like the smaller size of the touch and I might try to get used to the lack of keyboard but no GPS and no WiFi killed it for me. My big 4 things were always:

3G
WiFi
GPS
QWERTY

I might try to get over the lack of qwerty since it's more something you get used to but the others are a must for how I use my device.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

yep, all up to personal preference, i love the touch, and the mogul, but the touch won me over. the extra ram makes it an animal compared to the mogul.

Im a huge mogul fanboy, but ive only had to soft reset my touch once, and thats cuz of wisbar. Other than that, touchpal works much better than the hard KB in my opinion...plus its small, sexy, stable, has a better camera and speakerphone(much better)....

yes i miss the hard buttons, wifi, and gps, but now that im used to it, i actually prefer this over my mogul 10 fold. COme on GPS!! lol,

its really a matter of personal preference, in the end, both have their respective ups and downs, but both are ridiculously capable devices, and actually, are essentially the same phone. hope this helps

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

Having used both the Touch and Mogul, I have to agree with Success (even if he is a sellout... LOL!). They definitely both have the pros and cons and are both good devices in their own way. I switched from the Touch to the Mogul and will admit that the lack of free memory is a fairly irritating issue, but I run my Mogul pretty cleanly and have learned to do so regularly.

What we really need is for HTC to offer us a Touch with a QWERTY keyboard and GPS... slightly bigger but plenty of memory and all the TouchFlo goodness that Touch users love.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

hey was thinking about swiching to a touch but a buddy of mine said his freezes up all the time. is this true?

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

Mine never locked up on me. And I flashed new roms all the time and ran a lot of stuff at once.

Re: Mogul or Touch??
 

only lockup i EVER experienced is because of wisbar advance, and it was also a problem that i caused