Retuning the pre and the Diamond

nykd007 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-10-2009, 04:42 PM

As i have been a lurker more then a contributor I thought i owed something back. In Harvard form no less.

A. The Pre missing the mark. (I'm returning two of them)
Most of us here are looking for applications,serviceability,and durability.
1. The keyboard isn't just too small, it lacks tactile feel.ie, the buttons aren't responsive enough going down or coming up.
2. The access to the keyboard feels flimsy and is loose.
3. While the screen res is great, it is a bit on the small side.
4. The cost is equivalent to that of a net book. when is someone going to come out with a net book that has a built in radio?
5. Sprint and other providers lack the desire to go Open source as in the pre Palm started out on the good path but sprint shut that down! This is evident in their D.O.S. for tethering.
6. While the antenna is nice in size to accommodate reception, it causes polling errors in reaching out to the service. This is why it runs so hot!
B. The Diamond. This phone fails on so many levels.
1.Key board out right sucks!.
2. WiFI What wifi, they hasped it to the EVDO. Top speed is equal to jogging in the rain.
3. Screen size, I can't imagine reading anything on it other then contacts and phone numbers.
4.Keyboard, get a pencil ready for typing everything.
5. Reception is even hampered. The existing Antenna is so small it is almost non existent. They did this to save on battery. Just so happens that it polls constantly due to failure to connect.

I guess what I am really saying is that while everyone in entitled to their own opinion, I am conveying facts. Both these phones fall short of my expectations. Shouldn't R&D use bench marking to develop a baseline to production? I guess with Palm they started down the right track but then made the phone too small. We all want convenience in a comfortable package. perhaps these guys should look into the Ideal sizing first. Personally I don't pocket my phone, I belt hang it. While most people require easy access to their handset, I still use a Blue tooth for call.

afx · #2 (**permalink**) 10-10-2009, 09:54 PM

1. Well I dont agree with anything you said about the pre besides maybe the radio issue regarding heat. Everything else is fixable and I feel the keyboard took some getting used too but now its super awesome and I can rock out on it even with sausage fingers.

2. I dont know how big of a screen your looking for if you think this one is too small.

3. I got mine for 180 on ebay new. And my netbook cant make phone calls. Thats like comparing a pre to a dishwasher.

4. I tether my phone just fine, also use it was a wifi router with no problems whatsoever

5. Preware makes home-brew easier than anything even without palm or sprint, home brew is just a given when it comes to a popular device.

As for the diamond. I agree, HTC screwed me over more times than I care to mention but one thing does bug me about your writeup on the diamond...It doesnt have a keyboard.

neopanther · #3 (**permalink**) 10-10-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by afx

1. Well I dont agree with anything you said about the pre besides maybe the radio issue regarding heat. Everything else is fixable and I feel the keyboard took some getting used too but now its super awesome and I can rock out on it even with sausage fingers.

2. I dont know how big of a screen your looking for if you think this one is too small.

3. I got mine for 180 on ebay new. And my netbook cant make phone calls. Thats like comparing a pre to a dishwasher.

4. I tether my phone just fine, also use it was a wifi router with no problems whatsoever

5. Preware makes home-brew easier than anything even without palm or sprint, home brew is just a given when it comes to a popular device.

As for the diamond. I agree, HTC screwed me over more times than I care to mention but one thing does bug me about your writeup on the diamond...It doesnt have a keyboard.

Hey. How'd you put the pics of your old phones like that?! That is cool! I want to do that.

afx · #4 (**permalink**) 10-10-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by neopanther

Hey. How'd you put the pics of your old phones like that?! That is cool! I want to do that.

I just googled the phones (I remembered model numbers) and put them into photoshop.

nykd007 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by afx

1. Well I dont agree with anything you said about the pre besides maybe the radio issue regarding heat. Everything else is fixable and I feel the keyboard took some getting used too but now its super awesome and I can rock out on it even with sausage fingers.

2. I dont know how big of a screen your looking for if you think this one is too small.

3. I got mine for 180 on ebay new. And my netbook cant make phone calls. Thats like comparing a pre to a dishwasher.

4. I tether my phone just fine, also use it was a wifi router with no problems whatsoever

5. Preware makes home-brew easier than anything even without palm or sprint, home brew is just a given when it comes to a popular device.

As for the diamond. I agree, HTC screwed me over more times than I care to mention but one thing does bug me about your writeup on the diamond...It doesnt have a keyboard.

Wow, I never thought I would feel violated! Yikes!
As a beta tester. I pay what everyone else pays for a retail phone. I am not allowed to buy it on the web. I wouldn't buy it on the Ebay anyway. I get 90 days to test them and return them.
My Diamond was the DP2..... Enough said about that. As for the apps. You are right about the apps coming up quick... Now go back and read what sprint is doing about open development. I was hit with the newest "update". When your pre's batt dies and you charge it, you will discover that you've been updated. As far as the Rocker goes. I pretty much destroyed mine. I did go on to state the fact that I like to hang my phone... I didn't realize that I was going to be hung here! The facts I was writing about were how this phone fell short of my expectations....If you don't say you are sorry for insulting me, I will turn your cell phone into a bomb..... It will detonate when you dial *6998. Did I fail to mention that I am a Designer/Contractor? I also beta for Win. Yeah I know. That makes me evil. Since I also Beta for Palm and mac, that must make me a total *****. Out of the 65 people in my group. I am the only one that complained about the buttons.. I also complained about the orange last year... That thing cost me 750.00 but it came in a suit case! Palm Gen 3 will have a larger screen. The Onscreen keyboard will be Ghost. Palm also says that they will redesign the USB port with a Dual swing door that is self closing. Another Item they agreed with was the Control sprint imposed. That should be taken of in "round 3 of open access" as dictated by congress. Also they will be going to a soft screen for the Gen3.

afx · #6 (**permalink**) 10-10-2009, 10:01 PM

One more thing, not to be a **** or anything but I HATE when people say

everyone is entitled to their opinion but my opinion isnt opinion, its FACTS.

**NinjaMom** · #7 (**permalink**) 10-11-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nykd007

I guess what I am really saying is that while everyone in entitled to their own opinion, I am conveying facts. Both these phones fall short of my expectations.

Your opinion has been noted... But it really is nothing than you opinion, not facts. They might be "facts" to "you" or "your expectations"...but in the end that really is your OPINION.

Machinehead · #8 (**permalink**) 10-11-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaMom

Your opinion has been noted... But it really is nothing than you opinion, not facts. They might be "facts" to "you" or "your expectations"...but in the end that really is your OPINION.

Not the first time that someone has thought that their opinions were fact.