Thinking About Making Move to Pre instead of TP2 Help me Decide
 

Hey guys,
Truly considering moving to a pre from my TP. Was thinking about wating for the TP2... but the Pre just seems so awesome. Tell me what are your greatest annoyances with it and what truly sells it as your phone for some time to come? Also, what are your biggest annoyances with leaving Windows Mobile.

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i am in the same boat as davenukem....feedback and help to make the decision would be great

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Stable, polished, fluid OS = Pre

Ability to customize to no end = Pro2

Capactitive multitouch screen = Pre

Bigger higher resolution screen = Pro2

synergy over the air sync = Pre

Better Keyboard = Pro2

Better 2d GFX = Pre

Tethering = Pro2 (ATM)

3.5mm jack = Pre

Applications available = Pro2 (Pre apps will come but WM is too ahead ATM)
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there are a lot of pros and cons betwwen them but just to get you started, depends on what your needs are and what you like in a smartphone

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Puerto Rico! Representar! De que parte eres?

However, moving on. Awesome, that really moves me a bit foward. The only thing i'm really "afraid of" is the loss of WM since it has soooo many apps atm. However, the TP2 really is just a glorified Touch Pro so i'm wondering if the experience will truly be better than the TP. The new manilla is nice, but the pre ui is so crisp. Keep the info coming guys.

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Just ordered my Pre today. I was feeling the same way about the Touch Pro 2 but when I went to the store and messed with the Pre I was SOLD!! Will have mine within a week!!

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Too many options for both. That's why I got a Touch Pro and a Pre.

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Im in the same boat as shaun0207. I got the Pre and while its pretty awesome, it still has a lot of work to go to truly replace my TPro as my main phone. If you already have a TPro, the TP2 is a pretty minor upgrade in all reality, so try the Pre. But keep the TPro to switch back and forth with...

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Am i able to switch back and forth without having to go to a sprint store? Mind you this might seem like a noobish question but... If i knew how to do this it would actually be pretty neat lol. But keep moving this thread foward, i'm sure there are alot others who are in the same boat as me.

Btw: Those saying the TP2 is a minor upgrade, i agree but i feel it is the way the TP should have been originally.

*bigger screen
*Windows HARD BUTTON! (Thank god)
*New Manilla
*Better Keyboard
*Speaker that doesn't suck
*Much sexier

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Yep, you can change phones via Sprint's website.

late,
Coz

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A lot of you know that my wife and I have been out of contract since October/November. We went and look at the Pre last weekend...she wants one and I'm still on the fence. Right now I'm still leaning towards the TP2. Maybe we'll get one of each....but more dicussion on this matter is certainly needed.

late,
Coz

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Either one is going to be a good choice, I'm sure. Just curious, Coz... what factors are swaying you one way or the other?

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Here's where I'm at:

1. Screen size (the TP2 has a killer screen...while the Pre has great colors and clarity).

2. Device size (do I really need to carry around a Netbook-sized phone)

3. UI/OS (I've used WM for years....this is a pro and a con...something new might be nice).

4. Out-of-the-box funtionality (while the original TP seemed to need a lot of tweaking out-of-the-box, everything I've read/seen seems to indicate that the Pre works great out-of-the-box. Will the TP2 need heavy tweaking out-of-the-box?)

5. Tweakability (Obviously with different ROM's, etc., WM is insanely tweakable. Though I'm confident that over time the Pre will attain some measure of tweakable-ness I'm not sure what that time curve looks like).

6. Keyboard (I love having a hard keyboard...do I need a small one or a large one?)

7. Sound quality (more of a network issue...but from what I've read the Pre sounds good for calls, etc.).

8. Hardware buttons (while both phones offer a full QWERTY keyboard at least the TP2 has a couple more buttons on the face...not so with the Pre)

9. Third Party Software (obvioulsy WM/TP2 lead in this catagory...but for how long?)

10. Build quality (which slider wears out sooner? Which screen will crack sooner?)

11. Resistive vs. Capacitive....toss up.

Those are just a few thoughts off the top of my head...

late,
Coz

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Those are all good things to consider. Sounds like you should wait until you get some hands on with the TP2 (which by the way, my cousin whose aunt knows a guy she works with that knows a manager at a Sprint store told me it is coming out this month). I can tell you that...

8. The Pre only has one hardware button on the face that can basically be compared to the "home" key on a WM device. It does not have "talk" or "end" keys on the face.

9. The Pre will get good apps over time but it will never have a chance of catching up with the years of development WM already has under its belt.

11. OMGZ! Capacitive! :)

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I've been using winmo since the first ipaq came out, my wife got the pre and the out of the box experience is AMAZING. On my TP I have like 5 browsers installed and non come close to the pre browser. the phone just feels like greased lightning. the UI is VERY smooth. There are a few hickups but they are few and very far between. Winmo fights you every step of the way to get stuff accomplished while the pre holds your hand and pushed you along. I do miss a couple of the apps I have on the TP but if i were up for the upgrade i think i would switch in a heartbeat.
(my mini rant sorry)

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this are just my opinions/thoughts on some of your items that made me prefer the pre. but this is just me.

no. 1 and no. 2 are one an the same for me. yeah the tp2 has a bigger screen but makes the phone that much bigger. i like to slide the phone in my pocket at times, especially when wearing shorts and a bigger phone seems more uncomfortable.

no. 3 - ive been using win mo also for a while. and really im tired of it. i know its highly customizable but ive been customizing it for the longest time to make it the way i like it. but am never satisfied. to tell you the truth i havent flashed a new rom in over two weeks because frankly im tired of it. i was even thinking of getting an iphone because i was tired of win mo.

no 6. - havent had a hardware keyboard since my ppc6700 (years ago). i did test it out for a few minutes and seemed a bit small but could type fine with it. would like an onscreen keyboard which im sure a software update will fix this or somebody will come up with one.

no 8. - i used the end button on my diamond to end calls all the time. will probably need to get used to the pre on this, but really dont care much about it.

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Use the pre at a store. Remember the TP2 is better hardware but it's still windows mobile. WebOS sold me. No way am I going back to Windows Mobile until it's had a major overhaul.

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Having to have a Simply Everything Plan should do it.

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Keep it coming, i'm leaning toward the Pre more than ever now... Even coz seems to have the Pre in mind (even if he is still reluctant i feel he is fearful like me of leaving something he knows already)

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Come to the darkside WebOS really is that good.

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1. the Pre has a faster processor than the Pro2 (600mhz) with proper gfx drivers and without the WVGA screen to suck resources and slow it down thust theorically running circles around the Pro2 in performance, did you see how great it ran Doom in 3d?? =D>

2. The OS has been hacked to the root so customizing will defenetly come and with a passion (time will tell) :mrgreen:

3. capacitive screen...... beautiful, radiant, and multitouch. no comparison

Coz wants this, but he doesnt want to announce it yet lol.....

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im sold, ill be moving my wife from att and off the iphone and we'll both be getting the pre

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Hahahahahahahaha....maybe we'll get one for Mrs. Boogie first...that way Coz can play with it more.

late,
Coz

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People have already given good advise. I'll try to give a bit.

How much do you want to fiddle? If you don't want to spend a good bit of time every few weeks pouring through ROMs, Flashing your device, tweaking the UI than the Pre may be a better choice. However, if you like doing the above and having that control of the phone the TP2 will be it.

Size is a big thing. Do you want something extremely pocketable, or do you want a big keyboard and screen? The size difference on them is striking.

If the only thing bothering you is apps ask yourself what kind of apps it is. If they're relatively mainstream, "typical" programs, there's a good chance within 6 months they'll be out in some fashion for WebOS. With that in mind, if the app is not something you need IMMEDIETELY then, ask yourself "If all things apps are equal, which one would I pick".

Best of luck with whatever you choose.

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im probably gonna make the leap to pre tomorrow, one for me and one for wife. i think ive had enough of windows mobile as well, its fun to play with, just not user friendly and hella slow. so i aint gonna wait for the tp2.

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Same :) in regards to a Pro and a Pre hehe I have both. Also because I didn't want to give up my grandfathered in Free & Clear Plan with 1100 minutes.

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i am not on the fence. I had a treo 650 before moving over to a mogul. loved the customizing that was possible. but i slowly started to miss my one hand typing on the treo.

then my wife got a centro. she almost got a diamond, but i told her that she would have to reset it often. and while the centro is not prefect (kb locks up for some reason), apps available is awesome just as here and its rock solid (minus having nav).

i now have a touch pro and here are the things i will miss when i can finally find a pre

1) voice command (great for when in the car...when it worked)
2) flashing roms....gotta admit has been fun especially with how easy everyone here made it
3) knowing what i am doing in the registry... but hey that is what larning is all about
4) BT file transfer
5) opera... been using it for years now...its just hard to let go


Here are some of the things i am looking fwd to.

1) fewer crash and WMP not taking up 40% of my usuable mem
2) pinch to zoom
3) buttons that work (hate the directional button on the pro)
4) gestures
5) the ringer switch....oh how i miss thee
6) new and exciting OS and GUI


also in the processor is supposed to be awesome on this thing. so i only expect this thing to improve as time goes on. just like linux (which my wife is now cause she got a virus last time...grrrrr)

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I agree with most of this. I sadly (or gladly; depends on who's view you're with) left Sprint and WinMo for the ATT/Apple conglomerate. Sprint was good to me, but something occured to me....WinMo's UI was to slow. If you were in an emergency and had to make a call after running or in the midst of closing apps, more times than not the phone would lock up. i know with all the tweaks available your mileage will vary but ALL WinMo fans know WinMo is slow and laggy. It just hit me one day and when I had a chance I left, going so far as paying the ETF. I feel you Ido, these are my exact views. In time I'm sure WinMo will improve & I'll be more than happy to jump back, but up against capacitive screens and smoother more responsive UIs I just can't see doing another WinMo device now. Now, I won't deter anyone from getting one, use what you dig. But for me why play pretend when you could have the one of the best. Just one guy's opinion though. If you have a WM then you're pretty much hip to the deal. I say try a Pre instore, and keep researching reviews. That's what I do, and knowing ATT could be a bum and with so-so coverage (well 3G anyway from what I hear) but if at least the device gives me the best user experience for me , then it's worth the pain.

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Sho' 'nuff.

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this happened to me a little more than a month ago. i got a call from my brother and as soon as i was gonna answer it, the phone froze. well i had to remove the cover and reset. then the minutes it took to turn back on when i could finally call back. turns out, my dad got really sick and my mom was alone with him. by that time the ambulance had already took him to the hospital. sorry for my little story but it just sucked that it froze at that important time. but thats winmo and it has happened many times.

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Luckily I never had a call that important that it locked up on me for, but I have had it lock up on calls, so it was only a matter of time before winmo did that to me too. Winmo is great at being a pocket pc, but neglects to give priority to it's first function which is being a phone. The Pre answers calls so much faster than my Touch Diamond did, and having the security of knowing your phone won't lock up when you get a call is worth the move alone.

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That's a great point to make....regardless of the the device, the phone function should be flawless!

late,
Coz

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Thanks guys, i'm going to the store today and getting my pre :D! I played with one yesterday... it's too slick not to get. I'll keep my TP the new TP is just a glorified version of what I already own. not worth using an upgrade on! Thanks again!

David

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I agree the Mogul to the Touch Pro was a much bigger upgrade than Touch Pro to Pro 2.

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My last 5 smartphones before I got my palm pre were windows mobile devices and I can't believe I stood how crap they are for so long. I've always believed that the only way a device with a touchscreen based UI will be successful is if the UI is easy to use and intuitive. Palm's WebOS is all of those things on top of being very elegant and easy on the eyes - things like the card system are one of the "duh" concepts that seem so obviously great when you're using it. I always felt like the WM devices I had (especially my mogul, touch, touch pro, diamond) were more about making the UI look pretty than actually being functional and easy to use. Yes there have been some quality control issues with the slider and such with the pre - but no more than with any other HTC phone I've had. That and the fact that the phone has not frozen or crashed ONCE in the week and a half I've owned it. I love WM phones flexibility, but seriously it is not worth the constant pain and aggravation of a buggy crappy OS. Using the Palm Pre after winmo phones is like running after suddenly loosing 100 extra lbs - the user experience is transparent, which is why I think it's going to be a hit for Palm.

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amen to that.....

WM7 team are you writing this down?????

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I hope WM7 is a complete overhaul, and they design the UI from the ground up to use Capacitive screens and everything meant to be done with your fingers and not a stylus. Beyond that stability is key. It's harder to control stability when you don't control the hardware. Hence why the iPhone/mobile osx, and mac/osx platform has worked well for apple.

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I played with a Pre on launch day and really liked WebOS, and the phone overall. My biggest concerns are the keyboard (not sure if I could get used to it) and above all build quality of the phone. I've been reading some really bad things over on precentral.com about screens cracking for no good reason and sliders becoming sloppy eventually making the phone reset in worst case scenarios. These could of course just be rarities in comparison to all the people without problems. I just find it troubling how many are reporting issues at precentral considering they're just a small percentage of the Pre community.

However, with all this said I'm still thinking about getting the phone. Which speaks pretty highly of the device (or poorly of WinMO ;) ).

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This particular problem is caused by the battery casing area in some units being slightly too large and the battery jarring when the slider is closed too hard.

I have this problem on my current unit and it is fixable by putting a couple layers of electrical tape on the end of your battery to make it more snug. Probably should just be a temporary fix while you go for a replacement if you have this problem, though.

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To chime in, I got a Pre yesterday to replace my TouchPro. The best way I can explain this is on the TP I spent hours/days/weeks flashing, tweaking, etc trying to get it to work exactly right. The Pre does this out of the box and so much better.

When you get to play with one pull up the camera on the Pre & the camera on your TouchPro. Just do that and see the difference.

I actually wish some of the OS stuff was on my laptop...being able to just "throw" an app off the screen when you are done....it just works.

The app store is very lacking right now, this is a risk I will take.

Did you see it sync's with itunes? I guess most folks don't care about this but I am super lazy when it comes to music. The fact that I don't have to copy files or use another app to manage music on this phone was a huge plus for me also.

The keyboard is not as good as the TP...no denying that *but* it has a dedicated @ and "." key. This makes me so happy. They keys are much bigger than on the Palm Centro so don't judge from that you really have to use one. I have pretty big hands and I'm getting along with this keyboard fine so far.

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Yea dude but how many complaints there been about winmo phones? and we all still took the risk. I don't have a Pre yet but im getting one soon. The problem with winmo phones are, it takes too much time tweaking and flashing to get it to a decent state. When we shouldn't have to do all that, i'm starting college soon, and I don't have the time to be flashing and tweaking no more lol, need something that works out of the box.

Also the IPhones app store was even more limited when it released, so i'm sure Palm will deliver with apps. They stated they are going to re make most of there old apps, witch is many. So I see light,

[Start rant]
getting annoyed with all the IPhone talk recently, I have nothing against Apple, but the fanboys annoy me. Its like they take everything Apple does and big it up. 1st IPhone 3.0 update, the update that gives you things that should of been there in the beginning (notifications, MMS, Copy & Paste). Apple fanboys are going crazy over it, when they should be saying "About ******* Time". Then the IPhone 3GS, a very minor upgrade that I find pointless.

[End rant]

Glad Palm came out with almost everything day 1, thats how it should be. Just add video and fix that battery life bug (although coming from TP we find this to not be a big deal) and we are all set, after that just focus on Apps :).

Kudos to Palm, and to state again I have nothing against Apple (Love my touch) just the fanboys.