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Well I am probably the minority here but I think I will be going with the Touch Pro 2. I like how the Palm Pre works but I can not get over the keyboard. It's just not functional for me. When I went to the touch pro I instantly loved the keyboard. The keyboard on the Pre works but really is a step backward. I dont know why they couldnt have had a keyboard like on the Instinct.

It would have been the perfect phone for me had the keyboard been better thought out. I text alot as well as send many e-mails so this was a big feature for me.

Now besides that the form was very intuitive. I think once one because familiar with the menus they will have no problems navigating around. This is typical with any phone.

Being able to have multiple applicatons open is nice but in all honesty the touch pro does that too. The only difference is that on the pre they are readily available with a flick of a finger. On the pro you just had to go to task manager and go from there. Nice on the Pre but it's not like the Pro is lacking.

My last gripe is the exchange server is not working yet. I cant get too mad because the phone is new but you would think with all the other Palm phones that are out and work this should have been easy too.

All in all, the Pre is a great phone but since texting and emailing is a large portion of what I do, I will be waiting to see what the Touch Pro 2 can do.

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thas what is all about bro. people need to emphasize on whats better for them rather than anything, the pres kb is fine for me but we can all agree with the kb on the pro2 being better for more comfortable txping for heavy texters like youself. enjoy your pro2

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Windows Moble 6.5/6.1 are great for customization but they are still behind the curve (as a former mogul, touch, touch diamond user I know). I've had the palm pre for two days and continue to be impressed. Here are a few gripes I do have however:

1. Lach of padcast section/support
2. Some slowness at times
3. More apps and sdk already
4. More robust mp3/video player

The touch pro2 is a hard core business phone, if you need international go with it (sim card slot will be available). The voice conference features are awesome as well. But it has a large screen and small battery so you'll need an extended battery. I would stick with a touch pro for another year if you can deal or go with the palm pre if you can't. The touch pro2 inner hardware is virtually the same as the tp (cpu, ram, etc.). If you can wait for Windows Mobile 7 your it will be a game changer. Iphone and Palm have some very stiff competition coming next year from what I've seen.

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im in the same boat. I love and hate winmo. but i really like the fact that the pre is FAST. i like that winmo is fully customizable but its also slow clunky and did i mention it crashes lol (but u all knew that)

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Switched to the Pre from my Diamond and the only thing I miss is the tethering.

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I just took the plunge based on this thread.. (switching from touch pro)

Only 6 months into my contract, so paying full price.. Worst case, I can try it, right?:)

Love my touch pro, but just wanted to try something new.. and I figure stepping out of WM for a year or so might make windows mobile 7 come around faster:)

Apps that I'm going to miss -

slingplayer (I know they're working on this on the palm pre)
flexwallet (there's other ewallets - but I liked flexwallet)
kinoma play (haven't found a podcast player yet on the palm pre - but I'm sure they're coming)

-mark

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sumwone fergit to spillcheck?

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@diomark

I agree. I will miss some apps as well. But windows mobile will not get another dime of my money until the come out with windows mobile 7. Creating a cool theme and changing the 1 to a 5 in the name IS NOT PROGRESS.

I am a MS certified dev. I am a MS fanboy. But enough is enough.

I will be missing my pro, my flash addiction, kitchens and creating apps in VS. But at least I dont have to give up ppcgeeks :)

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had a touchpro 3 months, sold it n got a pre, as did my wife, we've had 2 iphones, 2 blackberrys razrv3 in the last yr or two, not sure if the pre is as good as i thought it was when i brought it home, still evaluating it, that said, it is cheaper to own than iphone due to the monthly charges and i havent had dropped calls for the previledge

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't happening until the 2nd half of 2010, right? If that's the case, it's a year from now and I'll be ok with buying a new phone if WM7 wows me. I was considering just getting the TP2, but only if a WM7 upgrade was possible in the near future...now that I've read it's gonna be over a year, I'm just gonna go for the pre I think.

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So I've had a chance to play with the Palm Pre for ~4-5 hours now, and I'm not sure.. I might actually return it.

Here's a short comparison. For reference, my TP had SPB Mobile Shell 3, wm65, kinoma play, & opera 9.7 beta.

The screen. Sorry to say it, but the touch pro has a crisper screen. When zoomed at the same approximate level, the browser was much more legible on the touch pro then on the pre. Issue is, pre is choosing an automatic level when you double tab on the browser, and I think it's just slightly too small considering the screen resolution. (You can change it manually by pinching to zoom)

The browser is great. I would put it at the same level if not better then opera 9.7 - unless you're heavily multi-tasking.

Keyboard - It's usable, but I'm much faster on the touch pro's landscape keyboard. I would put the palm pre's keyboard on the same level as using touchpal pro soft-sip on the tp.

contacts. Palm Pre pulled my contacts from google, exchange, and facebook. This mean that the actual contacts tab is basically unusable. The good news is that with the keyboard, I can just type someone's name or initials and it'll pull them up. (slight lag here, but not too bad) - I liked spb mobile shell 3.0's contacts, but I guess technically the palm pre WITH the eyboard is better. (it's nearly impossible to browse contacts without pulling up the keyboard though)

Emails - opening an email had a slight lag to them. tp wins here. I'm syncing two accounts. My exchange server, and my google mail. I've actually set the gmail to sync manually, but it's still syncing automatically.. bug I think. (my exchange is a filtered forward of my gmail so they're redundant..)

Notificaitons - the notifications on the palm pre are awesome. You basically get little icons on the bottom, and you can tap them to see what it wants. (wm65's default notifications suck! although sms/email/missed call notifications with spb mobile shell 3.0 are fairly decent)

One of my typical scenarios is listening to podcasts. There is no podcast player on the Palm Pre yet, but I found a way around this (basicaly using google reader as an RSS reader, then streaming the podcast mp3..)

Plays fine, but my bluetooth headset cuts out more often when the pre is in my front pocket. It was playing perfect when in my back pocket though. (With my touch pro, it would play basically fine in both places - cutting out some in the front pocket, but not nearly as much as the pre did)

Multitasking while streaming an mp3 wasn't that good. The browser (which otherwise is awesome - think of opera 9.7 when it's actually working) was laggy and not a fun experience to use while streaming mp3's and listening to it on a bluetooth headset. I would say tp by far wins at this task.

charging. I've always complained about the time it takes the tp to charge.. I haven't seen the palm pre hit 100% yet (in fact, haven't gone above 50%..) - it's just been too busy (me using it, it syncing contacts/etc) since I've gotten it.. Charging while using felt slow though.. (but then again, I don't think it'd drain whlie plugged in.. in fact, at one point I hit 5% left on power.. plugged in while streaming, it kept going..) - so I guess palm pre wins here.

Wifi - the wifi on the tp has always felt like an afterthought. EVDO was always faster for me then wifi. On the palm pre, wifi in my house is definately faster, and the way that it manages wifi is much better then TP. basically, I have it automatically connect to my home network.. but if it's not there (ie. while I was at the gym today), it just switches to evdo.. I didn't have to do anything. Palm pre wins here.

Apps. They're not there yet.. TP definatley has mroe going for it in terms of apps for now..

So that's my initial reaction after an afternoon of having this device. I'm still on the fence as to if I'll keep this device or not..

Got any questions comparing the TP to Palm Pre? ask away...

-mark

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Hey guys davenukem here, drunk as drunk comes. Got the palm pre a while ago and even in this state it's amazing. Web OS is new and interesting and most importantly fast, snappy, and SEXY. The browser is great and as soon as flash 10 hits this October it will be almost equal to my desktop. If you are debating making the move to the Pre i will give this advice, the keyboard is weaker than the TP and the apps are lacking but as soon as the SDK becomes public.................. The Touch Pro will not have an app that the Pre does not (pertinent ones that is).

Surprsied i spelled pertinent right... did i? lol Listen the Pre is a phone you can actually SHOW OFF to your friends. The TP people pick it up and are like hth do you use this thing? The Pre is a very pick up friendly device it's am Iphone but BETTER!!!!! And it's not made by apple. Sorry about this drunken rant but i love the phone and i'm typing it on my pre (the review) i got used to the kb and it's about as efficient as the TP... Love the phone get it guys.

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I am not feeling the Pre at all. The only thing I wish I had on my touch pro is the multi touch feature. Other that that I can get past the inability to use skyfire and the keyboard absolutley sucks mud. Me and a friend decided we would race to type a sentence on each of our phones. He has the pre and of course i have the Touch Pro. Needless to say not only did i smoke him texting he had errors on every other word. Wouldnt trade my phone for that one if you paid me.

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after spending a full day with the Pre, I'm tempted to go back..

Frustration point today - couldn't figure out how to play any of my divx's videos (not even by using orb..)

I was able to multitask nicely using ONE HAND though during lunch today.. listening to a podcast while messaging with a friend, using facebook, and checking out news articles..

I could never use the touch pro one-handed like that.. so definate plus there. One negative though.. THe pre has cut/paste, but not in all fields. i.e. I was trying to cut something from facebook (pre doesn't have a facebook client.. I was using the web interface) and paste it into a message.. it wouldn't let me:(

-mark

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The Palm Pre is a multimedia powerhouse...convert your videos to mp4 format and it will play them fine. Another thing to take note of is the Pre can play videos at 30fps @1024kbps flawlessly with absolutely NO lag and Not a single skipped frame. No other phone can match the Palm Pre's video player. It rocks!!! Go ahead and give it a try...rip your favorite DVD into mp4 format at the highest quality your software can produce and the Palm Pre will play it beautifully!!! Don't forget to make your videos 480X320 resolution or higher and the Pre will auto size it. Youtube on the Pre is also the best I have seen with no lag and great video quality like on your pc.

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After using the Palm Pre for a few weeks I can honestly say the Palm Pre is in the same boat as the BlackBerry Curve/Bold/Tour, etc... being that..."it just works". That's the category that BlackBerry falls into and the Palm Pre is no exception. It's extremely dependable, fast, never freezes, never have to soft reset, and the os is very intuitive and a delight to use. No more rom flashing, tweaking, and trying to find ways to speed up the os and ui like in WM. Again... "it just works".

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The palm pre has everything that you would be looking for in a phone.

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don't return the pre yet, it really took a few days for me to get used to it as well, now i could never go back to my touch pro

just having a responsive dialer was a big enough relief for me to keep the pre,

the entire os is being developed by palm to specifically integrate with the device - as time goes on the difference is usefulness will only get bigger

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Amen! I agree that the Touch Pro's lagginess and qwirkiness along with it's insane battery draw is more than enough reason for me to not wanna go back to the Touch Pro. You can type as fast as you can on the Palm Pre and it never has a single lag or hiccup.

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The only reason I would go back to the touch pro is to get the high of flashing the newest ROMs. Helping others tweak and modd their device. But I can break out the touch pro once in a while and do that.

I will admit that tp2 screen is pretty, but its still wm 6.1. I won't send microsoft the message that it okay to drag their feet. They lost alot of fans to the pre, 3Gs, andriod devices within the last 60 days.

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I know this is a Pre thread, sounds like most of you are sold on the Pre.... so was I, before I actually had a chance to use it and compare it to my old and busted 800w....

The Pre is beautiful, no doubt about that. The screen is gorgeous. The keyboard is very usable, actually much better than I thought it would be. The OS is insanely speedy and responsive. It was cool to be able to launch a bunch of crap and easily switch between it all.

Still, I could not keep it as my main phone. Believe it or not, i started missing my winmo. I think my biggest gripe with the phone is the lack of customization. You really can't do anyting different or unique on it. maybe that is how it is supposed to be? Load up a couple of apps on a winmo phone and it can look like anything you want, spectacular, or spectacularly ridiculous, the point is, your pretty much free to set it up exactly as you want it.

another issue i had, and this may just be because i am spoiled with the keyboard on my 800w, having to slide out the keyboard was a pain. I understand that this was designed in such a way to make the phone small, yet the screen enormous. Looks great, but doesn't feel great. Try sliding out the keyboard with even just slightly sweaty or oily fingers. The finish is extremely slippery, maybe a soft touch finish would have worked better here.

Finally, a huge flaw in my opinion, althought surely easily fixed, there are absolutely no notifications when the screen is off. For example, if you get a missed call or a txt message, and you don't happen to be right next to your phone, say you left it on your desk and walked away... when you come back to it, you would have no way of knowing you missed anything unless you actually picked up the phone and turned it on. The point is, even just a flashing LED or something to let you know, "hey, u have a txt or a call" would have been great. I think this was the 2nd most annoying thing about my experience with this phone.

Anyhow, that is my 2 cents. i tried the Pre, and after 2 days, went running back to my 800w, never looking back on the Pre.

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I agree with the frustration of a lack of notifications. Really got used to seeing my Diamond's LED's flash in one way or another to let me know of missed event. I'm hoping this gets added to the Pre asap. No reason why it can't be. Just a matter of time IMHO...

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I had the Touch Pro and loved it. I now have the Palm Pre and beginning to love it as well. It runs very smoothly, the speaker is great, the battery life is better, and multi tasking is awesome on the PRE. The TP could be customized out of this world. Both phones are GREAT, but right now I think that I am feeling the Pre a little more. The Apps are limited right now, but within time there will be more. But I am sure that I will get the TP2 also. LOL

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Could anyone comment on the syncing of calendars and tasks?

I'm aware it cannot be done with activesync and requires an exchange server. What programs are you using to sync up outlook and how are they performing?

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I use a program from the palm app store called PocketMirror. You install a component on your PC and then connect your Pre to your local wireless network to sync. It works great, though it doesn't sync tasks.

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So what PC/desktop program do you use? Do you still use outlook?

I've been doing some looking at Calendar options for the Pre. I've read that some users are syncing MS outlook to google calendar, and then to the Pre. That method doesn't sound very efficient to me (but I've never done it personally).

Anyone use Thunderbird or other calendars? I'd like to sync tasks too....

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Ok, so my wife is really wanting a pre. She has a TP now and we'll be out of our contract so upgrading is an option. Question is don't live near a Sprint store to play with the phone. It does have a capacative screen but does it have a glass face or plastic(iphone-glass tp-plastic). That' my only question.

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I don't think I could go back to my diamond after using the pre. It does has a little of a short coming with the apps not completely there but they are coming. Multi tasking on this thing is awesome. Great for road trips with all the mapping software which works flawlessly.

The screen is 100 times better than the diamond and tp because of it's size and responsiveness. I can't say the diamond was bad but when I compare them, I just don't see an advantage over the pre. The Htc products are great at what they do being windows and having a endless apps catalog, but that's it.

I looked at all my apps on the diamond and the only thing I really miss is opera mini. The pre has an awesome browser but sometimes I just want to just look something up quick without having to use multi touch to resize the page.

I am going to use the phone for the 30days and then make a decision but I am really leaning towards the pre. Ooooh did I mention the functionality of the notifications not being obstrusive. I'm sorry but windows 6.5 isn't even an upgrade and to think of buying the tp2 and looking forward to that kind of an upgrade. No thanks

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The Palm Pre has a plastic screen that is seamless. Meaning that the rounded edges and tinted screen has absolutely no seam where the housing and screen meet because its one solid smooth piece. If this makes any sense... It's a very nice design like no other.

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Im with you on this one OP. My wife and I have the TP and love it. As some of you know I have cooked my own Roms in the past. I have not made any updates to my last rom but now Im wondering if I want to keep with WM and go to the TP2 or go with the pre.

I know we can customize the WM to pretty much anything we want and the pre is beginning to get there as well. As a matter of fact look at this: PALM PRE CUSTOMIZATION

As many of you know I work for Sprint ATS so I have access to both devices all the time. I just had gone over 7 TP myself and 4 on my wife's line just due to keyboard and screen issues.

I will wait for the TP2 and then try both side by side and decide which one will be best. Ill make a comparison on both devices when i get them.

good luck guys.

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Time to add my two cents. My phone is a touch pro, but just got a new Pre for my father for when he gets back from Iraq. Since my phone is in the shop because of a miniUSB issue I am using his phone as a substitute.

Needless to say the interface is beautiful, simply beautiful. Very user friendly and very usable. My main gripe with this phone is:

1.) The music player is horrible. My phone is an MP3 player first.
2.) No spellcheck for emails.

But I love the capacitive screen, and I love the keyboard(I only use the softkeyboard on the touch pro), and I absolutely love the Web app(Blows opera away).

But more importantly, I love Rhodium Manilla, I love the options that windows mobile provides. And I never use my stylus on the TP unless I am taking a note(Which the pre can't do)

So I am sticking with my Touch Pro, definitely.

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I'm doing both. I bought my Pre on ebay new, never opened for $325. It was worth it for me because both my gf and I are on sprint so we can always use it on her line when I upgrade to the TP2. I'll be getting the TP2 as soon as my premier upgrade comes in November. Thinking of picking up a Tour for a few weeks too then putting it on craigslist.

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just switched from a TP2 to a palm pre... i thought the tp2 was great b ut it was an f'ing brick to carry around ..

i love how small and slick the palm pre is .. seems like a great phone thus far

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I posted this in another thread...thought I'd post it here too.

I had a Palm Pre, bought on Launch Day, and I loved it...up until October.

By October I had 3 different Palm Pres which all had to be returned due to hardware failure (The volume buttons sucked, also, one screen problem when a bubble formed under it) and then finally I got my 4th all the while defending my little Pre from my friends who said it was crap.

But then I couldn't talk to my friends anymore. Wanna know why? Because when I synced my Palm Profile on the 4th one, it erased all but two of my contacts. That was the last straw. I made Sprint give me a brand new HTC Touch Pro 2 for free. I love the Touch Pro 2. It is so much easier to hook up to my computer and play around with. Also, it hasn't lost any of my contacts. Ever. Microsoft My Phone works perfectly. Also, being able to back up my contacts to my computer is awesome.

So, I would disagree. In my opinion the Palm Pre is a locked down piece of junk where its main feature (The Palm Profile) doesn't even work. The HTC Touch Pro 2 on the other hand is a solid phone that actually works.

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well, to be honest, i am a former HTC Touch Pro user, i babied my TP and always kept it from falling, scratching and getting dirty, but then somehow my keyboard died on me and even with the keyboard closed, the screen would randomly rotate to landscape mode repetitively and indefinitely; the keys wouldnt respond at all...i got really frustrated and tried to get this fixed by reflashing my ROM's just to see if it was a software problem, but it seems like it ended up being a hardware one.

so i found out about the Palm Pre...i immediately fell in love with the phone and the OS with its awesome user interface and capacitive screen and responsiveness.

now, i will admit the Pre's hardware could be much better, and the HTC Touch Pro 2 is far superior on the hardware, it does feel high quality, and the keyboard...well, its really really good since its big and comfortable to use.

the Pre's keyboard IS NOT BAD like lots of reviews say, its small, yes, but its not like its impossible to type in there, ill be honest here, IM ACTUALLY TYPING FASTER ON MY PRE'S KEYBOARD THAN MY TOUCH PRO after having it for a while...and u know what? ANY keyboard on ANY phone can be used to type fast, its just a matter of getting the learning curve on...so the famous "ohhhh-i-got-fat-fingers-and-i-cant-type-on-this-thing" excuse is a complete FAIL and false.

so at the end i thought about it like this...if you want a nice looking phone with OK hardware and a SUPERB operating system which is WebOS, then the Palm Pre is for you....but if you want a nice looking phone with EXCELLENT hardware (except for that nasty inefficient resistive touch screen, although its size is huge and displays everything with exceptional resolution and quality), but with an operating system that is LAGGY, OLD, UNSTABLE, and with CONSTANT MEMORY LEAKS, which would be Windows Mobile in this case, then the HTC Touch Pro 2 is for you.

now...imagine if the Palm Pre was the same Touch Pro2 hardware but change the resistive screen to capacitive AND ran WebOS.....*DROOLS*.....thatd be the perfect phone!!!

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i do miss my pre.. currently with a tp2.. but will wait to see what palm comes out with in the pre2. next year.. cause the build quality of the tp2 is just to awesome.. and the batt life 15 times better than the stock pre.. those 2 alone are why im keeping my tp2..


Webos is awesome.. just needs better hardware to complete the package...I would love to see palm rise up again.. If they had what verizon did with the droid i believe they would be in a better place right now.. most people do what the tv says to do,lol go get a droid.. or there is a app for that..

plam would be multitask like no other..get in and get out.. find what u need in under 5 seconds or less. etc.. lol no clunky interfaces.. 2 swipes and your where u need to be,

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I have both and since i got the Pre I have not used my TP2 at all....of course once Sprint's Wm 6.5 becomes available this might change. As a buisness, PPC geek ((someone who wants full control over there phone// experienced phone tweaker )) user I would say the TP2 but for everyone else (( your dear old mom, dad)) wanting a new "COOL" phone I must go with the PRE ((Price,size, weight, and just enough apps)) battery life does suck though.... Of course this is just my opinion take it as you will....

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Given the option to obtain either as a replacement at no cost, which would you really prefer to get?

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I came from the Diamond and was fighting back and forth between TP2 and Pre. Since I am in this forum I guess you probably could conclude which I chose, but if not, I went with the Pre. I have absolutely no regrets and have been on the Pre for almost two months. I love every minute of it. There is still a lot of customization that can be done with the Pre, which I am happy about because flashing was definitely fun. Even though there is no more flashing, there are now over a hundred patches to make the phone look and act the way you want, which is good stuff if you ask me. I thoroughly enjoy the guestures and hear there may be more on the way! Next step in the Pre experience is flash, which will be out early next year, making the Pre the best phone out hands down (in my opinion anyways...). The truth is, without having to change anything at all, I already loved the phone out the box, which is more than I could say about WM phones (but love them once you find the right ROM for it). Pre was an amazing choice for me, hopefully it only gets better (and hopefully Palm doesn't go under, lol).