sprint capping "unlimited" data

[imtjnotu]

this is from last may?

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by imtjnotu

this is from last may?

I guess so, I thought it was recent till I saw the blog date

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by orangekid

http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...t?#__highlight

not good.

it's an older blog post, but I have heard or seen nothing of till now, anyone know more about this, has it taken effect yet?

july 31st of 08 to be exact

Originally Posted by p-slim

this is old and already in affect. if you go over 5gb sprint will know and shut your data usage off or notify you.

not true

Originally Posted by orangekid

really 10gb? still I wouldnt want to test the waters and get a $500 bill... do you know anyone who actually uses that much and gets away with it?

plenty of people report 10gbs or higher even... if u stream alot and torrent, this can become common usages

Originally Posted by Merdinh

Some of you are getting this wrong, the 5GB cap is for Wireless Cards only, and not for your cellphones.

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

True.

your both WRONG: http://nextelonline.nextel.com/en/le...cy_popup.shtml
Data Usage Limitation (Mobile Broadband Cards, USB Modems, Embedded Modems and Phone-As-Modem): The amount of data transmitted over our network is measured in kilobytes (KB), megabytes (MB) or gigabytes (GB). Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred; and to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if usage either exceeds (a.) 5GB/month in total, unless specified otherwise or (b.) 300MB/month while off-network roaming. 1024KB equal 1MB. 1024MB equal 1GB.

now your counter argument is going to be "see, it says so right in the title" too bad your using your phone as a modem and/or usb modem regardless whether or not you have the plan for it... i dont know why the argument, everyone knows the cap really apllies to everything... its been well over a yr now

Originally Posted by imtjnotu

this is from last may?

july 31st was in effect...



and people, theres no grandfathered in.. if so, why arent we grandfathered in with asurion deductables??? the new TOS for this cap went into effect july 31, 2008... once you paid the next bill, you agreed to the new TOS by paying... samething with asurion.. asurion even printed it, that once the price hike went up, the next time you paid a bill with your insurance fee on it, you agree that youll pay a higher deductable from then on..

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

and people, theres no grandfathered in.. if so, why arent we grandfathered in with asurion deductables??? the new TOS for this cap went into effect july 31, 2008... once you paid the next bill, you agreed to the new TOS by paying... samething with asurion.. asurion even printed it, that once the price hike went up, the next time you paid a bill with your insurance fee on it, you agree that youll pay a higher deductable from then on..

You haven't the slightest clue in or of what you're talking about. Unless you know 99-100%, do not go making assumptions.

Only Sprint plans and Sprint specific addons get grandfathered, outside insurance no, you can't grandfather that, why would you expect that? Asurion is not a Sprint controlled company, Verizon & Sprint are customers of Asurion.

You can't have your grandfathered status taken, unless you agree to another plan that you sign for, no exceptions.
Ask others here, if you've been with sprint for years without a plan change, you'd know that this is fact.

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

You haven't the slightest clue in or of what you're talking about. Unless you know 99-100%, do not go making assumptions.

Only Sprint plans and Sprint specific addons get grandfathered, outside insurance no, you can't grandfather that, why would you expect that? Asurion is not a Sprint controlled company, Verizon & Sprint are customers of Asurion.

You can't have your grandfathered status taken, unless you agree to another plan that you sign for, no exceptions.
Ask others here, if you've been with sprint for years without a plan change, you'd know that this is fact.

and your the all seeing, all knowing sprint guy huh.... theres no real unlimited data... yes plans/rates... i had an old plan where i got 4 free downloads a month for sprint music.. had it well after the plan was gone...

and since they offically AND legally changed the TOS, which you wouldve agreed to by paying the next bill after july 31st 2008, hence losing your so called "grandfather status" on your "unlimited data"... read the fine print.. "sprint may change plan details without notice, for any reason and at any time"....

without tethering and extreme amounts of streaming, it would be near impossible to go over 5gb on a device.. again, your using "phone as modem" and/or usb modem(ics) even without the plan... so guess what, sprint COULD(being the operative word there) still charge you, notify you that you need a PAM plan, or cancel you altogether...

and Asurion doesnt have to be sprint, its a contract you entered at a previous time, under different terms, and guess what genius, it got changed... "grandfathering" is exactly that when we talk about phone plans... entering into a legally binded contract under one set of terms, the new terms change, and they allow your previous terms to hold true....

same thing with asurion, that contract you entered into legally and willfully, was changed... yet no grandfather status... but why not, its the same principal as sprint cap change....

since were talking about grandfathered contracts.... what about someone who has had the same plan for say 9yrs... VOIP was not even out then for mobile devices.. so does that mean you can use VoIP on that old contract, since the TOS you signed up with wouldnt of listed that as a big no no??? absolutely NOT!!!! and that would be a perfect example of something that Could be grandfathered in, since its a difference in 2 TOS'...

when they update TOS, the next time you pay the bill, you agree to the new TOS, no matter what it said b4, your liable under the new terms.... thats why u can keep an old rate plan for yrs and yrs, it has nothing to do with the TOS

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

and your the all seeing, all knowing sprint guy huh.... theres no real unlimited data... yes plans/rates... i had an old plan where i got 4 free downloads a month for sprint music.. had it well after the plan was gone...

and since they offically AND legally changed the TOS, which you wouldve agreed to by paying the next bill after july 31st 2008, hence losing your so called "grandfather status" on your "unlimited data"... read the fine print.. "sprint may change plan details without notice, for any reason and at any time"....

No, I'm not a know-it-all or genius. I just happen to be one of many who know how grandfathering works & how it STILL works. Until the bomb drops, it still exists.
Again unless you have seen it 1st hand or have it, you have no room to assume facts.

Name an instance where you've had action taken...

without tethering and extreme amounts of streaming, it would be near impossible to go over 5gb on a device.. again, your using "phone as modem" and/or usb modem(ics) even without the plan... so guess what, sprint COULD(being the operative word there) still charge you, notify you that you need a PAM plan, or cancel you altogether...

With a smartphone, I've never heard of any action being taken against someone* with an unlimited data package, using ICS or just the phone in general going over 5GB.

*Grandfathered

and Asurion doesnt have to be sprint, its a contract you entered at a previous time, under different terms, and guess what genius, it got changed... "grandfathering" is exactly that when we talk about phone plans... entering into a legally binded contract under one set of terms, the new terms change, and they allow your previous terms to hold true....

same thing with asurion, that contract you entered into legally and willfully, was changed... yet no grandfather status... but why not, its the same principal as sprint cap change....

You are also failing to understand the Asurion thing, Asurion terms are not contractual the only documentation you file with Asurion is the claim itself, you pay Sprint who inturn pays Asurion to whom you'll pay a deductible on their terms either via Sprint or direct.

Sprint is an CUSTOMER of Asurion, you have to remember that.

You can get any grandfathered status from then as they are NOT your carrier, Asurion's terms can change regardless, we did not sign a contract with them. You can't leave Sprint scott free if Asurion makes ANY price changes because it breaches nothing we signed.

Asurion is NOT SPRINT, that simple.

since were talking about grandfathered contracts.... what about someone who has had the same plan for say 9yrs... VOIP was not even out then for mobile devices.. so does that mean you can use VoIP on that old contract, since the TOS you signed up with wouldnt of listed that as a big no no??? absolutely NOT!!!! and that would be a perfect example of something that Could be grandfathered in, since its a difference in 2 TOS'...

Dude VOIP, come'on we can use that TOS or no TOS they can't monitor or win against that... :/
A lost battle for carriers...

Sero, F&F, Sprint Pick 5, Unlimited data, Roaming perks, etc. are examples of what you can grandfather into your plan, even if Sprint no longer offers it.

Sprint only targets abusers of the service and still no one has been charge in penalty to date...

when they update TOS, the next time you pay the bill, you agree to the new TOS, no matter what it said b4, your liable under the new terms.... thats why u can keep an old rate plan for yrs and yrs, it has nothing to do with the TOS

Ok this last thing you said is confusing, call me crazy but you pretty much agree that you can grandfather. This is the basic example of grandfathering... This is the reason why people can got 8GB a month on a broadband plan/cell phone plan without getting charges overages y'know.

Or are you just stating caution to the TOS you fear so much that you expect to blow up one day to the "grandfathered" people?

I can vouch that I have NEVER seen ANY form of notice or retaliation or anything remotely similar.

This is another reason why we say grandfathered, we have not been touched by the TOS penalties, EVER.

The 1st time I have EVER seen them is when one changed their plan and at the 1st toe over 5GB they were charged for doing so. These people did not have the "grandfathered" status, they were in a new plan & agreement.

Can you see the pattern there, there is such a thing as "grandfathering", it is an unofficial term but till this date, it has been true.

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by Genjinaro

No, I'm not a know-it-all or genius. I just happen to be one of many who know how grandfathering works & how it STILL works. Until the bomb drops, it still exists.
Again unless you have seen it 1st hand or have it, you have no room to assume facts.

Name an instance where you've had action taken...





With a smartphone, I've never heard of any action being taken against someone* with an unlimited data package, using ICS or just the phone in general going over 5GB.

*Grandfathered



You are also failing to understand the Asurion thing, Asurion terms are not contractual the only documentation you file with Asurion is the claim itself, you pay Sprint who inturn pays Asurion to whom you'll pay a deductible on their terms either via Sprint or direct.

Sprint is an CUSTOMER of Asurion, you have to remember that.

You can get any grandfathered status from then as they are NOT your carrier, Asurion's terms can change regardless, we did not sign a contract with them. You can't leave Sprint scott free if Asurion makes ANY price changes because it breaches nothing we signed.

Asurion is NOT SPRINT, that simple.



Dude VOIP, come'on we can use that TOS or no TOS they can't monitor or win against that... :/
A lost battle for carriers...

Sero, F&F, Sprint Pick 5, Unlimited data, Roaming perks, etc. are examples of what you can grandfather into your plan, even if Sprint no longer offers it.

Sprint only targets abusers of the service and still no one has been charge in penalty to date...





Ok this last thing you said is confusing, call me crazy but you pretty much agree that you can grandfather. This is the basic example of grandfathering... This is the reason why people can got 8GB a month on a broadband plan/cell phone plan without getting charges overages y'know.

Or are you just stating caution to the TOS you fear so much that you expect to blow up one day to the "grandfathered" people?

I can vouch that I have NEVER seen ANY form of notice or retaliation or anything remotely similar.

This is another reason why we say grandfathered, we have not been touched by the TOS penalties, EVER.

The 1st time I have EVER seen them is when one changed their plan and at the 1st toe over 5GB they were charged for doing so. These people did not have the "grandfathered" status, they were in a new plan & agreement.

Can you see the pattern there, there is such a thing as "grandfathering", it is an unofficial term but till this date, it has been true.

first the whole VoIP thing was merely to point out that you couldve possibly signed a contract, before that wording was in there, and by your logic, would be grandfathered in to be able to use it, since u signed b4 a newer TOS was released saying its a NO No.... and your carrier can tell if your using VoIP im sure....

and Yes, OUR(all) carriers can tell the difference between data usage and tethering usage : http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...90&postcount=1 if not how did this guys carrier know he was tethering... and they warn him that he will get charged if he doesnt make appropriate changesto his plan....

tethering is not the issue though... the CAP is... and since were using our unlimited data plans as a Phone AS Modem or USB modem, then your "unlimited data" technically has a 5gb soft cap, snce your using your device in this fashion...

Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can’t use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications, or other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions; and (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections. We reserve the right to limit or suspend any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network. If your Services include unlimited web or data access, you also can’t use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).

and this end any arguments that you could actually be grandfathered in to a so called "real unlimited data plan"


Services are not available for use in connection with server devices or host computer applications, other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions, or as substitutes for private lines or frame relay connections. Except with phone-as-modem plans, you may not use a phone (including a Bluetooth phone) on a plan with unlimited Vision/Power Vision as a modem in connection with a computer, PDA, or similar device. We reserve the right to deny or terminate service without notice for any misuse. Availability of downloadable or streaming content is subject to change.

Terms and conditions are subject to change. - this is how they protect themselves against anyone trying to claim grandfather status....

the next time you paid your bill, after the July 31 2008 TOS change, you agreed to 5gb soft cap, especially if you tether or use your phone as a modem in any way....

if you wanna claim that there is "unlimited data" for dumbphone users, and for people who chose not to tether, then fine, ill conceed on that portion of it... but if your gonna tether, in any fashion, then yes, OUR carriers want us not to exceed 5gbs...


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lastly.... just one more thing about this grandfathering.... since you apparently have had the same contract since b4 july 31 2008, does that mean you think your "grandfathered" away from other changes in TOS and carrier agreements??

example... we used to have unlimited roaming abilities correct? it was marketed as free roaming(some plans u may of needed to "add-on" but was an option) for quite awhile we agree?

now, there is a 800minute cap on roaming... sprint claims to possibly terminate you if you go over this..

Roaming-Included Plans: Not available with single-band phones, or to customers residing outside an area covered by the Nationwide Sprint PCS Network. Sprint may terminate service if (1) more than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes or (3) a majority of data kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming. International calling, including in Canada and Mexico, is not included in roaming-included plans. Roaming usage may be invoiced after 30-60 days. Vision/Power Vision services and certain calling features (Voicemail, Caller ID, Call Waiting, etc.) may not be available in all roaming areas.

do you think your grandfathered beyond this change as well??? afterall, odds are your contract was signed b4 this went into effect as well...

its all the same... it doesnt matter under what terms u entered into with your carrier... once they change their rules and policies, your bound under them next time you pay the bill...

again, Terms and conditions are subject to change.

[kidmet]

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

Terms and conditions are subject to change.

As a contract professional, I always love this one. I never allow this without written permission from both parties. Anyways, on my next renewal, I'm going to add "following terms and conditions is subject to change." Just for fun.