Bingo !!! I finally have assisted GPS whoohoo
 

I've tried qute a few combinations of Radios ROMs and OS ROM's and GPS DLL's but didn't believe I was getting "assisted GPS" because I either was in Nigeria with 0 Sats or Spot on with several Sats.

So I think with the Process of GPS DLL's mostly I tried GPSMode=4

GPSMode=1 Does not use Assist.
GPSMode=2 (Default) Uses Data (Assist) and Sats but is exclusive (not sure if Data link is up it can't use assist but when I use it, it does not assist).
GPSMode=4 Uses Data (Assist) and Sats not exclusive (might be less accurate during assist phase but it works).

So with a fairly stable ROM starting in Nigiera and Jumping to Spot on with GPSMode=2 I switched it to GPSMode=4 and bingo. While I wait for Sats I'm bouncing around my ZIP code getting slowly closer to my location but never spot on. Then the Sats come on line.

This mode is discussed in several threads (and probably baked in to some of the Cooked ROMS) but I thought it deserved it's own Thread. Especially for those using Stock AllTel ROM with nothing baked.

I attached a Registry Script of all my Registry GPS settings. They are stock settings expect for GPSMode change to mode 4.

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28 folks downloaded the script and not a single comment?

I have not seen any mention of this really critical setting in any FAQ yet there are 20 threads talking about "slow lock" in one form or another.

Double check this setting !!! It runs sooo much better.

I had tried this setting before but it didn't make any difference. I think the new GPS DLL's fixed it so now this setting really matters.

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What are these new GPS .dll's you speak of? I was using JD's latest ROM up until yesterday, and I could get locks (but NEVER a 3d lock). I made my own ROM in the new kitchen and I can't get any locks, even with all the reg edits, priming with holux gpsviewer, etc.

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See this thread for new DLL's http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25407

You may or may not need "Kickstart" depending on how your ROM is setup (Secure or Unsecured).

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The reason this hasn't been in the main post in a sticky is because it hasn't actually been confirmed as working. It is discussed all over. Some people say aGPS isn't even working, while others swear that it is. Some people say 2 is no different than 4, while others say it makes a big difference.

I believe some of the custom ROMs have this change built-in.

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I compared your reg settings with ghettofreeryder's ROM and they're the same. GPS start still takes 5-10mins(at worst) and I don't see anything to make me believe aGPS is functioning.

Only thing I haven't done is compare the DLL versions. Maybe that's the trick?

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I went from getting 10 minute locks to instant locks after making this change plus adding quickgps.

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I found this change in another thread and believe this is the most important fix to anyone not getting locks. I oriignally tried it with my first ROM (Mustang's) and the GPS worked well...due to other issues I went on to try OMG's, JD's, and my own cooked cooked ROM - with no GPS locks - I would VERY occasionally see 1 or maybe 2 sats and then a bunch of 0 sats. - I had forgotten to enable that GPS mode 4. Finally I recooked my own rom and made the reg setting change to 4 - and BINGO! it was night an day - 9, 10, 12 sats....After a day or so I may have to soft reset to regain GPS...but it comes back strong.

Best reg change I have found.

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Using GPS mode as 4 sometimes gives me what I believe is aGPS, but sometimes I must wait a while. More testing is needed for me, but I subjectively think that GPS mode 4 helps.

The dlls on the other hand are not subjective and are phenomenal. I think alot of the people having problems need to upgrade to these dlls immediately. Perhaps the Custom ROMS out there already do this, but I was under the impression they were using the Mogul dlls originally posted. i dont think those dlls are being given enough attention by the community at large

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EXACTLY... this is exactly the SAME THING THAT HAPPENS when that reg edit is set to 2. aGPS is not working. This reg edit doesn't make any difference.

your getting "instant" locks "night and day" because your WARM STARTING (not getting aGPS) your GPS... but when you try to re "COLD START" your GPS it isn't working, so you have to restart.

totally placebo.

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Well,
With my other ROM's without the change I could not get a lock at all, ANYTIME, only 1 or 2 sats popping up briefly with much longer times of "0" sats showing up...all with no locks.

After a reflash of a ROM - then the GPSmode=4 change, and then jumping into (destinator 7) for a veiw of the sats - immeadatly I was seeing many sats. Instant lock? - Nope! but I would get a lock in about 3 minutes....whereas before I would wait 30 minutes with still no lock without the reg change.

I would say if you are getting a lock without the change - good for you....for me I was getting no-lock without the change. GPSmode=4 allowed me to actually get a lock.

I make no comment on the "speed" of lock or whether or not it is true AGPS- just the fact that now I can get one.

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I don't know if this has been talked about here in the Vogue forum or not, but TalynOne has done pretty extensive documentation of GPS for the Titan. Probably 99% applicable to the Vogue as well.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17032

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I have to agree. This makes a big difference in locks. I'm using it with Derek's 19.1 Rom and radio 3.37. I don't even have to start with GPS viewer. I just goto Google Map, set the GPS to get the info from windows, toggle use gps and within 30 seconds later it gets a lock. Even find my location works. I did leave my QOS stock (50).

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After my testing to work I can confirm it has improved my gps however I do not concur as to being agps. Since agps would work inside of my building and it does not pretty much 30 seconds after I shut the door to the back of my store I lost satellite reception using Garmin XT and then checked Gmap's and no satellites as well. Went outdoors and reacquired. It might work in conjunction with it to provide data to help acquire a faster lock but I believe that is the extent of it.

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Correct, I don't even bother Priming with anything any more. Just go straight to iGuidance (with GPSGate pointing at "WM GPS" for input and COM1 for output.

I got some of this information from the Mogul Forums and one site (may have been a microsoft site).

One thing I might explain.

Running in GPSMode=2 *might* also be using assist but what it may do is not report cellular position (by design) but pass the information to the GPS for Sat location. The reason this mode may exist is, in some cases it may better to have NO position than a wrong one (the Cell Triangulation will offten be off by a block or so , sometimes more sometimes less]). For example when navigating and suddenly you loose Sats and it says take a U turn out of the blue rather than "Waiting for GPS Lock".

But GPSMode=4 definitely reports Cell Triangulation Position (while it waits for Sats or if Sats are not reachable). I prefer this mode because you can better tell what's going on.

So this might explain why some people say it's "The Same" to obtain Sat Lock and others (that want to see something happening) say it's better. It could be Placebo effect getting a "close" position while you wait (That's not a Sat lock position).

But I feel like assist is not working in GPSMode=2 and I prefer seeing what's going on. If you don't see positions off by a block or so with 0 Sats something else may be broken. If Google Maps is sitting off the coast of Nigeria (Plain Blue Screen with Blue Dot, Zoom Out to see where you are) your assist is not working (or not Reporting Position).

It might be important to update your GPS DLL's because I swear I tried this on earlier setup and I saw no change.

I setup my friends phone the same way. One morning we'll fire them both up from COLD start each set to different modes and see what we get.

I think new DLL's are just as important.

I've been been baby sitting my adult daughter that's sick and driving all over the place making BT headset calls while navigating and not a single hiccup (not a single GPS Hang since new DLL's for 2 days or so with heavy use).

I love this thing.

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I think there might be some confusion regarding "priming" of the GPS. I don't believe GPS Viewer does anything unique to activate the GPS chip. Any number of programs can be used: Google Maps, Live Search, GPS Viewer, GPSToday, etc. The whole issue of priming really only relates to a few programs that have trouble initiating and/or accessing the built-in GPS themselves. These are mainly dedicated Nav programs like iGuidance, TomTom, etc., that were written to take GPS data specifically from an external BT/USB GPS unit.

iGuidance does require the use of another program to prime the GPS. In this case, GPSGate is the program doing the priming. It initiates the GPS, then redirects the output to whatever you tell it to (BT, a particular com port, etc).

I've never needed GPS Viewer to access the GPS chip on my Mogul or on several Touch's I've updated for family members. I've always just fired up Google Maps and gotten a lock. I think some of the confusion might stem from the fact that it often takes quite a while to obtain the initial lock after the ROM/radio update. People might try Google Maps, but give up before it has time to get that initial lock. Then if you try GPS Viewer, you get the impression that it is doing more because it shows you the satellites that are currently being tracked. Either program will have the same time to lock, as it is the hardware and radio firmware that are doing all the work. They just display the data differently.

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You are not "Priming" it with GPSGate, your operating it with GPSGate because GPSGate better emulates a COM port than the native one supplied with Windows Mobile.

Even if the GPS was "Primed" iGuidnace will not properly use COM4.

So yes, there is confusion.

Nothing needs priming. I think some tools just give better intermiediate progress towards a lock than others and it feels like better progress.

That said I think the Window Mobile API has a richer interface than the COM interface and apps that use that work better and are more stable. That's why I suggest folks that use GPSGate use "WM GPS" as input because other wise you are going through TWO levels of COM port emulation which is asking for trouble.

And if you use Google Maps don't use COM4. Leave it default and it will use the Windows Mobile GPS API which is more robust and gives app more control.

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I have tried the mode setting on both 2 and 4, and I agree with mswlogo. When it is on 2 and i am in an area where i know i can't get sat's to lock on, google maps just sits there and does nothing. When i change it to 4 and soft reset, within about 5 seconds there is a blue dot within a half mile from where i am and about 20-30 sec after that its about 1-2 blocks from where i am. This is w/o any sat locks. So from what i can tell, 4 lets you actually "see" agps working while 2 seems to hide or ignore it.

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While I do agree with you, I think it is also affected by the ROM you have installed and the GPS dlls.

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exactly, I set it to 4, and made sure that the rest of the settings are exactly the same as posted in that reg file, but Gmaps still puts me at 0,0 (close to Africa).
I have not installed the new DLL's yet. Will try that later and report my findings.

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If I gave you the impression that I was making a personal attack on you, then I apologize. I wasn't trying to make any implications about your knowledge of the subject, I was just trying to clear up an apparent assumption by some people about the need to run GPS Viewer before running other GPS apps.

Priming vs operating really seems like a semantic issue, but I understand what you are saying, and I thought that is what I was getting at when I said: "It initiates the GPS, then redirects the output to whatever you tell it to (BT, a particular com port, etc)."

There are some programs that simply refuse to work with the native WM GPS intermediate driver. It's not just a matter of feedback on the progress toward a lock. Some will absolutely, positively not work, which is why a program like GPSGate is sometimes necessary. I was using priming in the sense that it initiates and controls access to the GPS chip. Maybe that is an incorrect usage, I don't know, but in that sense there absolutely are programs that require "priming."

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I used the ppc kitchen to build my rom and didn't do anything else but change the reg setting to 4.

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Any program that support WM GPS API will probably work fine. Anything that is restricted to COM only ports and uses COM4 directly will probably run iffy. Not a priming issue.

Maybe early GPS DLL's running some apps depending if you need kickstart or not (running Secured or not) started some of the DLL's and "primed things". If that was the case you probably didn't have to "wait" if you know what I mean.

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After using the GPS quite a bit over the past few days I noticed since making the change to GPSMode=4 that it does not always get an assist. But since I'm confindent I can now get an assist I went back to trying the sprint IP address.

I waited for a COLD Gps start this morning to see how it works.

It locked onto my position with 0 sats very quickly. It was not using a cached position in google maps because it did move. Then 4-5 sats came on in about 30 seconds or less. This is Inside. It's not uncommon for me to get 4 sats inside but not this quick. This was one of the best COLD starts I've had inside.

I attached a MemMaid Registry script that changes both. If you don't have have memmaid you can just read it and manually update using registry editor.

I'll know better in a couple days.

Trivial to try but YMMV.

Update: I have consistently got an "Assisted" position (a position nearby with 0 Sats showing) with GoogleMaps in under 10 seconds inside or out.

Note: Setting AGPS IP Server (the suggested change) to Sprint Server may not help if your Carrier is not Sprint or possibly make things worse but it won't hurt to try it.
Note: It also won't help if your new GPS DLL's are not properly installed (read http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25407), using these settings won't hurt if your not using newest DLL's. If it doesn't help then I suspect you don't have the new DLL's or they are not installed correctly (Keep Trying).
Note: My GPSDaemonServer.DLL does NOT autostart even though I've enabled Unsigned DLL's. I'm not running KickStart and I find I don't need GPSDaemonServer.DLL running at all so I disabled the service using Memmaid by setting it to Manual. The OLD GPS DLL's required this server running and it did auto start for me. Strange but true.

Edit: I Added Second Registry Script that RESET's it to factory setting as well.

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Update: Since I changed the IP address I now get Assist every time while 0 Sat's is diaplay. And very very quickly.

I should also mention when I tried IP address change before I was on OLD DLL's.

With new DLL's fiddling with the GPS settings (GPSMode and IP) both definitely effect things. If they don't effect how your device behaves you need to figure out what's wrong with DLL install etc.

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This is all great... for sprint customers, but I dont think it helps other carriers. I have tried connecting to the server by just poking at the port and it does not respond. Seems that this IP and port are not valid or they are restricting access only from their network. so if you are on Verizon like Im this is not likely to help you much and may slow things down some (as the device will try to connect and fail). This may also account for some (probably not all) of the performance variance that people have been seeing too.

I am going to try a few more things from my phone to see if Sprint's server will respond. However I think the key is going to be finding an open server or on on your providers network. The Verizon server IP seems to be a HUGE mystery as folks on HOFO have been looking for some time without success (that I have found).

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I agree and did the same check you did and could not reach Sprint Server either when not on the Sprint Network. I'm gonna try tethering through phone and see if TelNet to that Sprint IP and port works.

I also noticed Assist does not work every time depending on my location. I'm roaming now out in the boonies and don't get any assist.

There must be an IP and Port for Verizon.

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I see several attachments and don't feel like downloading all of them and trying all of them. Does anyone know exactly which reg-edits will work and can someone type them up or copy/paste them here?

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If you are NOT on Sprint all you want is GPSMode=4

See this post for that http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...11&postcount=1

If you are on Sprint Use this Post which sets both GPSMode=4 and Sprint Assist Server

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=24

There is also a second script in this post with RESET in the name that puts it back to Stock ROM settings.

If you don't have memmaid just open the files with a text editor.

I just confirmed that the Sprint Server and Port is alive only accessable to Sprint Users.

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Do you get this same response if you are at a completely new location then the last time you operated a GPS program?? The applications themselves cache your last location and will go there immediately upon starting the "use gps" option. I thought I was getting similar behavior until I drove 15 miles away and tried it again... and it showed me at the last spot I used the GPS with a little blinking dot.

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I know I had assist working on the Altel ROM (and required all 3 things to fix, new GPS DLL's, GPSMode=4 and Sprint Server IP/Port).

I'd go to work, fire it up it would almost immediately (10 seconds) position me several blocks away. And a minute or two later SATs would come on line with pin point location.

Then I'd go home and it would do the same thing. Position a few blocks away then spot on with sats.

Sometimes it would jump to off the coast of nigeria and back again to the assisted position.

With Leaked ROM I have not seen an assisted position yet. It sits off the coast of nigeria or last cached position until sats come online. Sats are coming online at reasonable rates though. I'll try one more time at work and if I see no assist I'm gonna try the "new" GPS DLL's again.

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I have made the changes on my Bell Touch with JD's stock rom and these are my results. In the past I could always get a lock in 3-4 minutes. It still takes 3-4 minutes but now I lock on to 5-7 sats, before the maxium was 3 sats. In both situations within the first minute I would get an approximate lock and it is was always the same Bell cell phone tower about 1/2 mile from my house.

D.

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Finally got to test at my work location which seems to reliably get a GPS Assist position while while it waits for SATs and the it is working. I am running completely stock Leaked ROM except the registry changes for IP/PORT/MODE.

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Finally works for me as well!

In my office, I was never able to get a lock/location fix with Google. Not with any of the roms or combination of "fixes".

With the stock leaked rom and the sprint server registry changes, today, for the first time, Google can actually locate me within a few hundred yards of my office!


UPDATE/EDIT: looks like I got excited a bit too early. After a soft reset, google again shows me at 0/0. Looks like it was caching the last location that GPStoday was able to get a fix.

So still no AGPS...

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Did you do the GPS Registry edits? GPSMode=4 and IP/Port (depending on if your on sprint)?

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Yes - that's what made me believe it was finally working.

But just as with every rom before, a soft reset in my office magically teleports me to Africa ;-)

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Where can I find GPS .dll's? I have seen mention of them but not where they came from. I have tried the posted fix (without gps dll's) it improved my locks but what is this gps.dll?

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Anybody know the agps server for aliant? cheers,

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If you are running the new Leaked ROM or derivative you shouldn't need them and you shouldn't need KickStart (Also mention in same thread).

But they are in this thread.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=25407

They may be tricky to install on top and little tricky to remove but doable to experiment with.

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do you guys really think that alternate agps server/port does anything? i can't ping that ip but i can ping the default one. this leads me to believe that the sprint one everyone claims is helping is not even functional.