Mogul vs Touch

[Mafamaticks]

Originally Posted by sj808

sorry this has been discussed too much times. Its already been proven that the answer is Touch>Mogul to the 10th power.


just look at my post history... but damn, by now everyone should know my theory on this topic.

Have you been over to the Titan forums? It's exactly the opposite over there.

[wickedklown]

Keyword "Stability"
Straight out of the box I'll take the Touch anyday of the week over the Mogul's current state.

I find it funny how people say "mogul is for the technical crowd" to try to justify its shortcomings. As if the mogul was supposed to be a beta phone or a $500 DIY project. I too tried a ton of Roms/tweaks on my Mogul but then told myself. I bought a WM6 phone..so im running WM5 for?? oh ya STABILITY/Speed.

Im not biased towards the touch, Honestly, I would prefer a flawless mogul over a flawless touch because of the hardware/KB. Im just a little P/Oed that they screwed up a potentially good phone. Even with the lower ram, if the Mogul worked like it was advertised out of the box then I'd definately take the Mogul over the Touch but it doesnt.

[blasphemous_prime]

well, the best thing one could ever put on a PPC is threaded SMS. mogul owners such as myself love it, but on the other hand, it's a bit harder on touch owners. i love my mogul for now until the next big thing comes out with hardware just as good... maybe even better. lol

[8675309]

Originally Posted by eduardmc

you mention the problem with the touch and no soft key button like the mogul. i prefer the touch much better instead of having keys all over the place. just get AEbutton plus and u can have more than 40 softkeys in your device. how does AEbutton works? let say u want to map the left directional key. u can map different software or actions by doing long hold press on the key, pressing the key twice, 3 and four times. this can be done with any key in the touch including the up and down volume key. i have the center key long press for turning on/off the bluetooth (no need to go to comm for this anymore)

Thanks for the GREAT info. I will try this software out.

[linzgeneral]

Originally Posted by 8675309

I am curious what everyone thinks about the Touch vs the Mogul. I know there is an ongoing thread under Mogul, but I am curious what people who have owned both devices think.

Please post why you voted the way you voted as well.

Here is my in depth opinion.

I have been a long time user of this form, and have owned the 6600 (Tried 3 Different ROMS), 6700 (Tried dozens of ROMS), 6800 (Tried dozens of ROMS, and even made my own), and now the Touch (Still on first ROM). As I have owned 2 or 3 of each I am confident that my experience has been with the product type, not a faulty device. I like the Touch the best! Here are my findings, and I have rated each in level of importance on a scale of 1 to 5.

Cons:
(3) Keyboard - Yes, I do miss the keyboard. I have been practicing with the new Touch keyboard, and I have gotten used to it far faster that I expected I would. I only send about 1000 texts a month, and write maybe a few hundred emails, but I can defiantly live with out it.

(2) Buttons - Now this is a frustration for me! I wish the darn thing had more than one button! I like to use the hard buttons for shortcuts, and only having one is a little bit of a pain.

(1) Flash - Now I am not a cellphone camera user. I think if I am planning to take a picture I will just get a real camera. However the flash on the 6800 and the 6700 for that mater made for a great flash light that I do miss form time to time.

(1) Touch Keyboard - Though I like the Touch Keyboard, I also like using Calligrapher. Unfortunately the Touch Word Completion can not be shut off, and interferes with Calligrapher.

(1) Clarity - While the screen is brighter, it has a fade effect when you look at the device form a an angle.

(1) The SD Card - The card is hidden beneath the side panel of the device which means you have to take of the back, and then undo the side to get at it. What a pain in the but. Someone mentioned that it kept it safer, but I have never had an issue with the MicroSD cards coming out.

(0) I have seen several mentions about IR ports and 802.11. Seriously who uses 802.11 on a phone. I tried once and my phone went dead in 15 min. Also as someone pointed out if you are with in range of WiFi just get out your laptop. And as far as the IR port, I used it once about 3 years ago to play a battle ship game I had, never used it afterwards.

Pros:
(5) IT JUST WORKS!!!!! - Out of the box with no hacked ROMS and almost no customization the beautiful thing just works!!! Windows has yet to lock up on me. The system has yet to reboot, or freeze!! Windows just seems to work better with the extra memory, and maybe a cleaner ROM. If you just look at the programs in the start up folder there are considerably fewer.

(5) Bluetooth - Yes, bluetooth that actual can be used!! I know it is shocking, but imagine a $300+ phone where they, I don't know remembered that the original use of the device was for making and receiving calls!! I have the JX10 headset (Purchased for $150), and I have had it sitting on my desk for the last year because I couldn't use the darn thing. It was fantastic to dust it off and use it once again.

(5) The Phone - Yes, I know what a novel Idea, but the phone is much better with fewer dropped calls, and better reception.

(4) Memory - Who ever says that the memory is not an issue on the 6800 is smoking something!! I had memory issues all the time to the point I simply stopped installing software. Now I have the majority of my software installed, and I can still use the phone just fine.

(3) Slimmer - I find myself not noticing the device as much. It is smaller and more comfortable to carry.

(1) The Cube - Its nice, but not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I find it fun, but not as useful as I had hoped.

I think the battery life is almost the same, and everything else is close enough that is may be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. But that is my 2 pennis worth.

Just FYI these are the software programs I am running on the Touch, that I couldn't have hoped to run for very long on the 6800:

LobsterTunes, Pocket Mechanic, Sprite Backup HiCalc, MindMap, Age of Empires, Pocket Artist, Pocket Player, Brain Zapper, Resco Radio, Resco Explorer, SKTools, Tweaks2k2, Shazaa, Live Search, Pocket RAR, SprintTV, PhonePad Vibrate, VoiceMinder, Pocket Informant, SPB Insight, SPB Diary, Calligrapher, WkTask, iCube, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Home Customizer.

I am also planning on installing a few more programs and I will post how that goes as well. If I had installed all of these on the 6800 it would have crashed by now.

My advice get the Touch! You will miss the keyboard, but you will love the stability.

Its seems like you took a peek at my list before you comprised your post. Your pro and cons mirror mine almost exactly and I currently own both phones. I want to like the Mogul more but the Touch "just works"

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by 8675309

I am curious what everyone thinks about the Touch vs the Mogul. I know there is an ongoing thread under Mogul, but I am curious what people who have owned both devices think.

Please post why you voted the way you voted as well.

Here is my in depth opinion.

I have been a long time user of this form, and have owned the 6600 (Tried 3 Different ROMS), 6700 (Tried dozens of ROMS), 6800 (Tried dozens of ROMS, and even made my own), and now the Touch (Still on first ROM). As I have owned 2 or 3 of each I am confident that my experience has been with the product type, not a faulty device. I like the Touch the best! Here are my findings, and I have rated each in level of importance on a scale of 1 to 5.

Cons:
(3) Keyboard - Yes, I do miss the keyboard. I have been practicing with the new Touch keyboard, and I have gotten used to it far faster that I expected I would. I only send about 1000 texts a month, and write maybe a few hundred emails, but I can defiantly live with out it.

(2) Buttons - Now this is a frustration for me! I wish the darn thing had more than one button! I like to use the hard buttons for shortcuts, and only having one is a little bit of a pain.

(1) Flash - Now I am not a cellphone camera user. I think if I am planning to take a picture I will just get a real camera. However the flash on the 6800 and the 6700 for that mater made for a great flash light that I do miss form time to time.

(1) Touch Keyboard - Though I like the Touch Keyboard, I also like using Calligrapher. Unfortunately the Touch Word Completion can not be shut off, and interferes with Calligrapher.

(1) Clarity - While the screen is brighter, it has a fade effect when you look at the device form a an angle.

(1) The SD Card - The card is hidden beneath the side panel of the device which means you have to take of the back, and then undo the side to get at it. What a pain in the but. Someone mentioned that it kept it safer, but I have never had an issue with the MicroSD cards coming out.

(0) I have seen several mentions about IR ports and 802.11. Seriously who uses 802.11 on a phone. I tried once and my phone went dead in 15 min. Also as someone pointed out if you are with in range of WiFi just get out your laptop. And as far as the IR port, I used it once about 3 years ago to play a battle ship game I had, never used it afterwards.

Pros:
(5) IT JUST WORKS!!!!! - Out of the box with no hacked ROMS and almost no customization the beautiful thing just works!!! Windows has yet to lock up on me. The system has yet to reboot, or freeze!! Windows just seems to work better with the extra memory, and maybe a cleaner ROM. If you just look at the programs in the start up folder there are considerably fewer.

(5) Bluetooth - Yes, bluetooth that actual can be used!! I know it is shocking, but imagine a $300+ phone where they, I don't know remembered that the original use of the device was for making and receiving calls!! I have the JX10 headset (Purchased for $150), and I have had it sitting on my desk for the last year because I couldn't use the darn thing. It was fantastic to dust it off and use it once again.

(5) The Phone - Yes, I know what a novel Idea, but the phone is much better with fewer dropped calls, and better reception.

(4) Memory - Who ever says that the memory is not an issue on the 6800 is smoking something!! I had memory issues all the time to the point I simply stopped installing software. Now I have the majority of my software installed, and I can still use the phone just fine.

(3) Slimmer - I find myself not noticing the device as much. It is smaller and more comfortable to carry.

(1) The Cube - Its nice, but not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I find it fun, but not as useful as I had hoped.

I think the battery life is almost the same, and everything else is close enough that is may be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. But that is my 2 pennis worth.

Just FYI these are the software programs I am running on the Touch, that I couldn't have hoped to run for very long on the 6800:

LobsterTunes, Pocket Mechanic, Sprite Backup HiCalc, MindMap, Age of Empires, Pocket Artist, Pocket Player, Brain Zapper, Resco Radio, Resco Explorer, SKTools, Tweaks2k2, Shazaa, Live Search, Pocket RAR, SprintTV, PhonePad Vibrate, VoiceMinder, Pocket Informant, SPB Insight, SPB Diary, Calligrapher, WkTask, iCube, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Home Customizer.

I am also planning on installing a few more programs and I will post how that goes as well. If I had installed all of these on the 6800 it would have crashed by now.

My advice get the Touch! You will miss the keyboard, but you will love the stability.

I like your weighted pros and cons format. But I disagree with a few even though I much prefer touch.

I think "The Phone" is about the same as the mogul. However the earpiece volume is slightly better than mogul was. Signal quality etc. seems about the same. Although I've seen more complaints that some people have issues with signal quality on the touch.

To be fair I think with the latest ROM on Mogul they have finally fixed bluetooth issues on Mogul to the same level as the touch. Took way too long though.

I consider the SD Card a wash between the two. I put SD card in and I never take it out. I love having it burried rather than exposed to dirt etc. or accidently getting popped out as has happened to some folks with prior HTX phones (very common on 6700). Touch is not great if you switch SD cards a lot or want to try one of those junky wifi adapters. So it's a wash in my opinion.

Totally agree with your weight on the cube. It's way overrated and I disabled mine. Someone does have an application that you can remap the swipe motions to actions which helps solve the problem of lack of buttons on touch. You get 4 more buttons this way. I have not tried it yet and don't know if it works on the CDMA Touch version. But it looks promising.

[Torx]

my next buy is the touch, but i'll probably wait until a kitchen is released
i just cannot stand a clumsy garbage app filled phone

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by Torx

my next buy is the touch, but i'll probably wait until a kitchen is released
i just cannot stand a clumsy garbage app filled phone

There is so much room you wouldn't notice it and less of a big deal. It was a big deal on the memory starved devices.

You can skip all the junk by skipping the extended rom script then install what you want.

[Musicman247]

I tried skipping all the junk and ended up not having the Cube! maybe I did something wrong.....

[MrOuija36]

One handed use - Treo = Touch.. and thats excellent..

Touch + Touchpal keyboard.. cant see how i was living without it..

touch is also much more sleek and just FEELS right.. but i mean i hate being forced to go into landscape just to type a message... i let people use my touch all the time and with touchpal keyboard it just feels natural.. when people ask me which one i like or which one they should get i just ask em if they rather have everything accesable at one time or would you rather slide everytime you type..