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Sweetness, haven't seen wine before.
Idk why, I should have found something like that already. haha.
And I hate android. It's nothing but google monitoring software.
I'm actually going to get the base package and finish the coding myself.
If you get a prepackaged linux, you might aswell get windows because then virus programmers can just go and code for that prepackaged system.
I just want it so I don't have to deal with viruses and adware sh*t
while I'm downloading movies and what not.
(I refuse to go to movie theater and pay
to see an hour and half of product placement.)

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Exactly, linux there is no viruses, adware, or spyware....and even if someone does make a virus for linux, it's community run and all the codes are open, so nothing can hide....

MAC and Linux cant get hacked or attacked....

I love using Mac, but Windows just uses too many programs I need....So I have 2 hardrives, 1 Windows and 1 Linux, my MacBook Pro blows anything else out of the water.... :D

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Actually mac can.
Mac is just as vulnerable as pc.
No one bothers writing them for mac though.
There are a few every now and then,
but seriously, it's just as vulnerable.
Linux is just as susceptible too if you use a prepackaged linux,
because a virus programmer can look up that coding and write one for it.
(not saying all linux, just the prepackaged ones, like android for example, and so on.)

That's a major misconception people have about those operating systems.

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cody cody cody...

sigh. Do me a favor, and learn a bit about linux... there are no documented user viruses - there are a number of server-oriented attacks (I know, I see 'em in my server logs every day) but viruses? No.

Yeah. Like yours ;)

Android is an example of something that runs on top of Linux. It's not Linux. Linux is the kernel.

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Just because there's no documented viruses doesn't mean there can't be one. He was saying there can't be one.

I was basically trying to state that it can have a virus, (especially macs),
so don't say it cannot have one.
I use to work for apple, and there are plenty of viruses out there,
usually apple handles them pretty quickly though, but not always.
Yeah, linux is the best though, but I was mainly talking about macs in that post about getting viruses and I don't know the correct terms for what I was trying to say with the linux thing. Sorry, I reread my post and it's not clear at all with what I meant to say.
I'll have to research more and find the correct terms for what I meant to say.

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this is getting way off topic but i had to chime in...

what is the mac kernel built around?

answer that question and you will know that all oses can have viruses....macs and linux oses are not targeted because of the very low market share....why design a virus that will only affect 1/100 (if that) of computer users when you could create one that affects the other 99/100?

the saefest os is the worst os because noone will target it.

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new macs are becuse there x86 machines lin was a harkers tool made by the design to hack .old macs and window 95 are full of the tools used by hacker s

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BSD/Mach

Both MacOS and Linux enjoy better security due to their far lower priority user level (seriously, everyone runs as admin for winxp, and winmo? Hey we're all root!)

Indeed we are getting far afield. However there is no doubt the security model of windows is badly broken.

Now, when are we getting that opengl driver?

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Yeah, that's basically what I meant,
that all OSes can get viruses, but no one bothers making them.
I do know about mac's security measures, and they do a great job of catching 99.9% of the viruses/etc.
Although there are every now and then some that do get through their detection,(mainly adware type stuff)
but it's usually caught within a day or two max,
and then taken care of.

I'm not sure about the linux security measures and if they act the same way as mac's security stuff does, but from Whosdaman's post above it sounds that way, and I missed that part when I first read it. Sorry bout that.

I always have a way with leading threads off topic. :D:D
I run out of room in my inbox too fast,
and hate deleting messages all the time. :D:D

And I agree about the user priority level thing.

We are wayy off topic, but here's where we're at with the OpenGl driver,
we still need this:
To read the whole post and not just the part that I quoted above,
go here.
(link to previous post in this thread).

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Well back to what we here for OpenGl Any updates on that Diamond VZW ROM?

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Mac has 3 known virus, all of which were stopped within 30 minutes...

Mac has been hacked one time and it was because of a flaw in the adobe flash design...

Linux has had viruses, but they are stopped before anyone even notices it because everyone has the codes to linux...nothing is hidden

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really the only major "virus" (more exploits and zombie master code than virus) are usually directed to *nix flavored server and server applications rather than Linux directly regarding desktop/laptop installations

Writing any exploit or zombie master codes for desktops and laptops running *nix is next to useless for the above mentioned reasons - whereas for servers and web hosts doing so can infect far more machines quicker, especially Win boxes

Now where are we on the OpenGL work ???

LOL

Detroit Doug

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that's good to know about linux though. That it's that safe. I thought it was just like macs basically. And there is actually more than that.
I use to work customer service for apple, there were a few handfuls more of viruses for them, but they weren't well known or all that harmful really.

yeah, I've heard of the server attacks a few times, that's where I was basing that off of for linux.

And I posted where we were at for the OpenGL in my last post.



EDIT::
Check out this article about Apple struggling with their products safety with "malware and other online threats"

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Mac did just come out with a new Anti-Virus software...you have to pay for it, but I have no problems with it. Mac is Linux based, just with closed codes....

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Correction, mac is UNIX based, which linux is also based off of. Mac is not based on linux.

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true, i couldnt remember the exact name so i just said linux

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I was gonna say, I didn't know it was linux. :D
Good to know I'm not completely out of my mind. :D
I love that no matter how many times we've tried to bring this thread back on track it just keeps going farther and farther off track. :D:D:D

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Eh. Sorry, that last one's kind-of my fault.

Until we get more information, I don't see any way of effectively bringing the thread back on topic.

Unless... We bring this whole conversation back into swing more specifically about linux, and then we get to android, with Vogue HW acceleration, which brings us back to OpenGL here.

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Well I'm posting a new 6.5 ROM of mine that has the OpenGL driver in it :-\...

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In a way I'm confused. Does the OpenGL driver already exist? If it does, then I can see why the performance would increase... but if we're just placing a .dll file into a folder that no files are explicitly using, then the performance wouldn't change. I would also assume that a windows device would have limited support for OpenGL, and that DirectDraw/D3D would be more of a focus on their devices...

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Idk either, all I know is that if it's on there it helps the vogue run better...idk how but it just does

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ok im home today ill stop in the vz store as i found one here in superior wi where i live update you later sure ill manage to get the dump with the mods and files whosdaman did you pek at the link and see if the dump was what will be needed by that dumper.. i need to know i have a deal with my girl to have no work for three weeks and that means i hide my interactions .. but ill get the dump ..

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update no verizon store has em nn stock around me either

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Ok, the dump is good, but the only problem is that all the files are put into 1 folder...not separate folders like oems are....is there a way you can get the .nbh or dump it so it's in individual files?

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When can we expect your 6.5 ROM?

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today, lol but all of my roms have had opengl driver in it....

But I think i will make 1 medium 6.1 and 6.5 rom for sprint right now...

I'm updating my change log right now

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I'm running all of the tests now. For not having native 3D support (to my knowledge) this test is running rather well. I'm assuming of course that it's rendering 3d and it's not prerendered...

I can't check the benchmarks because I'd need to upload the results, and I don't have a data package..

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But just having the OpenGL drivers doesn't necessarily mean that its improving or even using the GPU right? There is still work to be done to get the best video acceleration on the vogue as I understand it.

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Its not the real thing, its just a substitute right now....thats why we dont have tf3d yet

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I saw NFSFAN was asking DZO on the Android thread at XDA about it cause DZO got OpenGL working on the Vogue using Android so hopefully he learned something that might lead to finally having it on WM. It's really nice to have. Even YouTube looks better

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I know it's possible on the Vogue, i've known it even before DZO did it, people just make excuses I wish I knew half the stuff NFSFAN did then I would have had this done long ago

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Yeah, he said it's waaaaaaaay easier with Android since it's run ontop of linux. WM is a whole nother story.

Doesn't give you rgu's either.

Same.
I hope to learn even the least bit of the knowledge he has about the phones.
Maybeeee someeee day. :D


But Like I have stated a few times, we still only need the one file I kept quoting, I'm not quoting it anymore, haha, look back at my previous posts,
that's the only file we need and then we can get all of this stuff to work and get tf3d!!!

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so,its not the vzv diamond,right?:mrgreen:

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no I would assume it is not considering he said it's a dump of another dumper. :angry7::angry7:

And then he said there's no vzw stores with the diamond in his area.
I think it's pretty much over till we can find a stock rom for it.

And the stock rom will only matter if it has the dll/driver that I quoted back a few posts ago. Nfsfan has everything done but that one dll/driver.

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no was a test run of an dumper..

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NFSFAN checked out the source code to that.

This is a quote from NFSFAN "The calls being made are addressed directly to the framebuffer. Linux doesn't have D3D, it has OpenGL. The same idea wouldn't really work in WinCE"

So DZO's fix doesn't work for windows. I've pm'd chainfire and a few of the others who did the work getting drivers for the Polaris, Kaiser and Nike but their response was none of them own qvga devices anymore and are not interested in helping develop new drivers. At least we have a talented guy like NFSFAN still helping us. Those guys can say what they wannt about him, at least he is still developing for a device he no longer uses.......to me that says alot.

Hopefully we can find someone capable of breaking through the remaining hurdles, or NFSFAN has a mea culpa moment (i'm betting on the latter, not stopping me from pm'ing every one I can though at XDA!!!!!!!)

With the new Opera 9.7 using OpenGL, newer games for ppc that actually rival the main mobile gaming platforms, not just gba etc, etc etc this would make a huge difference in our Vogues. (Not even mentioning TF3d).

Jmitr (Like cb, mostly active on XDA but trying to be more here as well!!!!!)

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I wish I could help out with this whole thing, but I don't have a stock rom from any of the required devices to look at. I would agree with jmitr though... Windows devices are almost always D3D and have limited support for OpenGL, which are the only things Mac and Linux use. So it makes sense that it was much easier to get OpenGL working in Android (linux) than it is to get it working in WinMo.

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Ok, NFSFAN is smart, but he is nothing compared to the guys who were on Polaris, Kaiser, and Nike...

They were the best of the best, but they never got the Vogue....

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Jtuite,

I noticed you packaged a new Vogue core rar with the 21806 files. In doing a comparison I noticed also that you have left out several files from the ROM directory. Was this intentional and does it present any issues in trying to build a ROM with your Vogue core?

Steve

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What is there els to do to?