From Verizon Touch Pro to Sprint version... is it really that much better?

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by Exil3d

Iskipped all the post on this thread. But this answer will sum it up. 120 ram at boot vs. 30 ram at boot. Which one you choose?

You should've skipped the thread all together.

Thanks for the un-biased review, so many people like to blow things out of proportion on this wonderful thing we call "Internets." It's no different then the benchmark freaks that see one video card or processor perform ONE fps less then it's competition and that means "its dominating" and " the loser 100% sucks!" People seriously need to get perspective, having more RAM doesn't speed you up, it prevents you from slowing down when you do severe multitasking. Two computers, one with 1GB of RAM and one with 4GB of RAM run the same when you have only internet explorer and outlook open.

When it was time to get a TP I did a ton of research and got the Verizon one without batting an eye knowing full well people were mostly carrier hating and being ridiculous. You can just tell the difference by how they type/phrase things. My brother has the sprint version to compare with. I've been 100% satisfied. As stated above, sure there are pros and cons to both phones, but whether or not those pros or cons matter to you is important, not what the general Internet population thinks.

[gsvnet]

People seriously need to get perspective, having more RAM doesn't speed you up, it prevents you from slowing down when you do severe multitasking. Two computers, one with 1GB of RAM and one with 4GB of RAM run the same when you have only internet explorer and outlook open.

Uhh...when used correctly, having more RAM does increase performance whether you actually 'need' it in terms of multi-tasking or not. I'm not really speaking in specific to Windows Mobile devices, but rather computers in general. Additional RAM can be used for caching purposes, etc. by placing commonly accessed files in the RAM rather than using a hard disk or primary storage. That's practically always going to be faster, unless you're talking about fusionIO storage

Sorry folks, but there's no way in hell I would pay more for the Verizon version of the device (over the Sprint version) when it has less RAM, a gimped keyboard, slower processor, etc. Speaking simply in terms of value, that just doesn't make sense. Perhaps people haven't noticed a measurable difference yet but if someone found a way to make actual good use of the oodles of RAM available on the Sprint devices to do caching, etc. similar to what a standard Windows system (or Linux for that matter) does, I think performance can be improved quite a bit. That's something that just wouldn't be possible on the Verizon device (at least not to the same extent). Perhaps the Windows Mobile environment is just different from a desktop environment in this respect and can't be further improved, but I know for a fact that a desktop with additional RAM can easily outperform the same desktop with less RAM no matter the amount of tasks running.

This all comes from my experience operating a fleet of Linux and Windows servers for several years now.

[oldpueblo]

Sounds like you just swallowed it all hook, line and sinker. The keyboard is not gimped, it is different and preferred by many. If you want to talk gimped, the ATT one doesn't even have a number row, though once again that's just different not "gimped.". It does not have a slower processor, and it does not cost more. I got mine from Verizon for $250 new which is less then a new one from Sprint if I were to switch over. If I weren't with either company, sure Sprint has a mail in rebate right now that makes it a little cheaper, but it expires and Verizon has also had a mail in rebate in the past and probably will again. So all we really have again (once more) is less RAM which is arguably not necessary in many cases for the average user. So please do a little more research next time in order to not perpetuate fud. Parroting misinformation is what makes the Internet suck so much.

And exactly how many programs are there to cache, its a PDA. Though conceptually you are right, it's just not applicable on this scale of memory, IF winmo really even does cache. If you open a ton of programs on any of the TP you overwhelm the processor regardless of how much RAM it has. I'd bet the Verizon one does in fact have enough RAM for caching (if it's applicable) the amount of programs you would likely run simultaneously.

[freeza]

LOL@ justifying the more expensive less RAM, messed up keyboard by saying it's better..

I'm sure if an OEM just up and decided to change the qwerty keyboard layout of their computer by misplacing a freakin key no one would buy it. But because you VZW usres are pretty much stuck with a crappy phone unless you want to buy the Sprint version and risk no insurance, you're trying hard to justify why it's an OK purchase.

WRONG, you're paying more for less end of story. No matter how any of you try and spin it, there is no logical reason why anyone would willingly want to pay MORE for something that gives you less! period.

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by freeza

LOL@ justifying the more expensive less RAM, messed up keyboard by saying it's better..

I'm sure if an OEM just up and decided to change the qwerty keyboard layout of their computer by misplacing a freakin key no one would buy it. But because you VZW usres are pretty much stuck with a crappy phone unless you want to buy the Sprint version and risk no insurance, you're trying hard to justify why it's an OK purchase.

WRONG, you're paying more for less end of story. No matter how any of you try and spend it, there is no logical reason why anyone would willingly want to pay MORE for something that gives you less! period.

Excellent point. Except it's not at all excellent in any way. Opinion spewing would be more accurate.

[gsvnet]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

Sounds like you just swallowed it all hook, line and sinker. The keyboard is not gimped, it is different and preferred by many. If you want to talk gimped, the ATT one doesn't even have a number row, though once again that's just different not "gimped.". It does not have a slower processor, and it does not cost more. I got mine from Verizon for $250 new which is less then a new one from Sprint if I were to switch over. If I weren't with either company, sure Sprint has a mail in rebate right now that makes it a little cheaper, but it expires and Verizon has also had a mail in rebate in the past and probably will again. So all we really have again (once more) is less RAM which is arguably not necessary in many cases for the average user. So please do a little more research next time in order to not perpetuate fud. Parroting misinformation is what makes the Internet suck so much.

And exactly how many programs are there to cache, its a PDA. Though conceptually you are right, it's just not applicable on this scale of memory, IF winmo really even does cache. If you open a ton of programs on any of the TP you overwhelm the processor regardless of how much RAM it has. I'd bet the Verizon one does in fact have enough RAM for caching (if it's applicable) the amount of programs you would likely run simultaneously.

Sorry, but I've used both devices. A friend of mine actually has a Verizon Touch Pro (he works for Verizon as well) and even he thinks the Sprint version is better, but doesn't care enough to want to go through any sort of hassle in swapping to the Sprint version.

Much of the "upgrade" in the Touch Pro was the keyboard. It mimics an actual desktop/notebook keyboard experience, the Verizon version takes away from that completely. Maybe you find the Verizon version better, I really can't argue with that as it's your opinion - but it sure IS gimped from the original version, not to mention the awkward key location (the 'M' key isolated by the up arrow...).

Perhaps I'm incorrect on the slower processor statement (I do recall reading somewhere that this was the case, but maybe that was wrong), but even so, the RAM and keyboard just severely gimps the device overall.

I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer my devices to be as close as possible to how HTC designed them. I don't want a carrier to come in and make so called "enhancements" (yeah right, just ways for them to cut costs, etc.) unless they truly benefit me. I wonder if someone can explain how having LESS RAM benefits them?

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by gsvnet

Sorry, but I've used both devices. A friend of mine actually has a Verizon Touch Pro (he works for Verizon as well) and even he thinks the Sprint version is better, but doesn't care enough to want to go through any sort of hassle in swapping to the Sprint version.

Congratulations on your friends OPINION. This is not proof or fact. It also is a tribute to your friends intelligence that he realizes its just not that big a deal to warrant dropping everything about Verizon for a silly reason.

Much of the "upgrade" in the Touch Pro was the keyboard. It mimics an actual desktop/notebook keyboard experience, the Verizon version takes away from that completely. Maybe you find the Verizon version better, I really can't argue with that as it's your opinion - but it sure IS gimped from the original version, not to mention the awkward key location (the 'M' key isolated by the up arrow...).

Once again, OPINION and I'm pretty sure the word "completely" is completely out of place in that argument. You say you can't argue with my opinion and yet you are arguing it as fact.

Perhaps I'm incorrect on the slower processor statement (I do recall reading somewhere that this was the case, but maybe that was wrong), but even so, the RAM and keyboard just severely gimps the device overall.

Severely? Do you really understand the proper use of adjectives in this scenario? Severely would be the M key is on the backside of the device. It doesn't slow me down in the slightest, I can only assume those having trouble with the M key have serious motor skill issues. So the slower processor is out, the keyboard is logically NOT gimped, so we are back to just the RAM.

I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer my devices to be as close as possible to how HTC designed them. I don't want a carrier to come in and make so called "enhancements" (yeah right, just ways for them to cut costs, etc.) unless they truly benefit me. I wonder if someone can explain how having LESS RAM benefits them?

Nobody has said having less RAM benefits them. What they have said is the impact of it is ONE MILLION TIMES less then what everyone is harping about. The ratio of whining/hating vs. real actual usage is far out of proportion. I don't mean to be offensive but DAMN people are approaching utter ludicrousity here (yeah I totally made that up).

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

I don't mean to be offensive but DAMN people are approaching utter ludicrousity here (yeah I totally made that up).

I agree 100% & I use Sprint phones on Verizon service.

~John

[bast525]

This was my point behind creating this thread... I was so caught up in the misinformation that I did go through the trouble to get my hands on a Sprint Pro, fully expecting it to be in a whole other league performance wise. But it wasnt. Even when I tried to load both phones, opening more apps than I would normally run in normal daily use, I did not see the Sprint doing things any faster.

They keyboard is completely subjective, though I admit that at first glance, it was hard not to think the Sprint had the better arrangement. But at the same time, it's not like the VZW keyboard is just so oh-my-god-completely-broken. As with every full qwerty device I've used, it took a short period of adjustment, and now that I am used to it, it works perfectly for me.

There is no arguing that more RAM is better, and this along with form factor were the primary reasons I bought the Sprint Pro from my friend. But in the end, I saw no performance difference or benefit of the extra RAM. I felt it was worthwhile to share this with the community here and hopefully balance out some of the obviously biased misinformation.

[zim2323]

Originally Posted by bast525

Okay, good test that I just did with the Sprint phone on the stock ROM, and my VZW pro on SSK 1.5 running a custom built 20954 ROM. Go into File Explorer and click on the Windows folder:

Stock Sprint ROM: about 4 seconds to open

VZW with SSK: About 1.5 seconds to open

Screen rotation:

Sprint and Verizon both go into Landscape about equally quickly, but switching back into Portrait, VZW goes in about 1.5 seconds, Sprint takes about 3 seconds.

Still got both phones sitting right here, Sprint is back to stock because I was going to be selling it today, I can do any other tests you guys would like me to do *shrug*

With SSK1.5 takes ~4 seconds to list files in Windows, and screen rotation takes 2-3 seconds.