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I've posted in a number of those threads about the keyboard lag, and it really is disheartening that the issue hasn't been at the forefront as much as it should be.

I text, a LOT. By a lot, I mean, 14,000+ a month. The Touch Pro so far has driven me somewhat crazy. I loved my Apache, I loved my Mogul, and I love my Touch Pro, but it's more of a love-hate thing. The second I started using it, I felt the lag. The bundled XT9 software has got to be the culprit.

I've tried every registry tweak, fix cab, settings change possible. It persists. If you fix it somewhere, it only seems to gradually get worse because you're either still populating the T9 My Words list (although now you can't even get to it to delete them), or for some other reason. Furthermore, the issue seems to only really manifest itself in the SMS composition screen. You know, in the threaded, "I want to write a message" box at the very bottom.

Opera, notes, everything else is fine and speedy. But right here, input (as someone else said) lags behind so severely that it drives me insane. I hate it.

Yesterday, after typing a long message which I had to wait (no kidding) 30 seconds for to catch up, I had enough. I took my anger out on this phone and absolutely trashed it. (I went and got a replacement the next day, but honestly...

I'm really at the end of dealing with this, and none of the ROM cookers seem to specifically address it ever. I don't get what the point of having T9 on a QWERTY keyboard device is, either. First person to rip all that crap out and come up with a usable ROM that doesn't have absolutely inhuman lag in the SMS composition screen will get a huge donation from yours truly.

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Thank you for being one of the people helping the insurance deductible go up...

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You're welcome. Considering how deteriorated it already was from use and the chrome flaking at the edges (which is a documented defect insta-replace issue), I only helped along the inevitable. By the way, this is the first time I've ever gone in to get an insured replacement, and they didn't even charge me the deductible.

As far as I'm concerned, the thing is now only a stopgap between me and the Palm Pre. I cannot stand the keyboard lag issue. What's the point of having a keyboard if it is at best somewhat usable. Doesn't make sense to me. I'm stunned that this isn't a bigger issue. I'm convinced nobody actually _uses_ the thing.

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I'm with u man!

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using RSTG Sprint Stock Custom Rom and this fix worked very well for me! thanks! it was usually 2-3 letters behind and now keeps right up with me

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Thx Scott for extracting the contents of the cab - saved me the trouble. These two entries control the initial delay and the repeat rate for when you hold down a key. Shouldn't affect lag at all. Note - I said shouldn't, not won't so don't flame me - just an educated opinion.

Try cooking a rom with all of the DLLs for HTC ezinput turned into modules. I did that from the beginning so can't say that I ever experienced lag, but I can say that I don't have lag with this done, even with xt9 both installed and enabled. BTW, provided you don't use too many uncommon words, you can get quite fast with predictive input plus a keyboard...

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Yup, I want to get rid of WinMo for this reason. I am hoping that either WinMo 6.5 will address this issue, though I don't know how it would, or that I get the Palm Pre...

I really love the functionality of the WinMo phones, and it almost seems silly that I would have to leave the OS for a stupid thing such as slow txting (which is the only thing that it lags considerably) but, I am paying for a 500+ peice of technology and I am not about to take people's (engineers or whoever builds the phones) laziness and avoidance of a problem...

so, Good bye WinMo, Hello Palm (pre)...

Glad palm got rid of its old (but stable and fast) OS, Now I actually have an option to WinMo...Just hoping that they don't do the whole Instinct crap and not allow me to use my cheap SERO Plan...But I digress...

-CD

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I have found that when fixes or cabs do not help, I have to move on to greener pastures.
NO, I dont mean the phone!
U must let go of the rom and flash to another.
Right now I am on KK's loaded 1.7 rom and not having any lag issues.
there are others but I have not made note of them.

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I would officially like to confuse things.
I tried both cab posted within this thread and it seems to be a minor improvement in the lag. However, is this just a placebo effect?
I will try and to remember to post with further testing results.

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Its not windows mobile....... Its HTC and their ****ty half ***** drivers they so choose to skimp on. Or the LACK of these drivers. I am so fed up of HTC and Qualcom and their monopoly on the Win Mo world. Its an absolute joke, the TI omap proc in the HTC elf can draw the start menu w/o lag probably because it has drivers. HTC needs to get off Qualcoms High horse and go to intel or something. Screw production costs make your customers happy.

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They keyboard lag is terrible. But I have gotten used to it. To me it looks like its really a winmo issue.

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I think it's probably a WinMo issue also.

I have tried every ROM there is (running the latest Mighty right now) & while some are better than others, there is absolutely no cab/ROM or tweak that totally eliminates the lag if you're a fast typist period.

My 19 year old son is the fastest typist I have even seen on any phone with a T-9 phone-pad. I am absolutely amazed at how fast he can text on something like an enV.

He had never had a PPC & while he was home from college at Christmas for a month I gave him a spare TouchPro I keep for testing/emergencies etc. It is a Sprint TP ported to verizon service. He had no data, but he has WiFi 99% of the time.

I figured he would love the thing, he was coming from an original orange enV that I gave him a while back. At the end of the month, he basically said "I hate this POS". He is constantly texting & the lag was driving him crazy. He thought all the other features where cool & all, but he basically said "if it can't text right, none of that other stuff matters"

At that point, he gave me back the TP & went out & bought a brand new enV 2 & he absolutely loves it. I have the TP he was using sitting right here on my kitchen table & I use it for ROM testing etc etc

~John

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By the way, I don't use the hardware KB at all. I don't like it, I think the buttons are too small & too stiff & I didn't buy the phone for that feature.

I use Touchpal in T9+ 99% of the time & I can type insanely fast with that setup. It is not perfect however. Most of the time, it's great but once in a while the phone just gets stuck on a word & acts like it's froze up. It will sit that way for say 5 seconds & then all of sudden it lets go & everything is fine again.

I have no lag at all really except when it does that freeze thing which is absolutely infuriating...........

~John

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Do you honestly want me to post a video of the No-Lag on a mogul? Or why not just use a palm treo 800w or the Palm Treo Pro.

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i am not very certain of the source of the problem, but i have found that if you up the system default font size to one size larger in the actual control panel, it greatly diminishes the lag.
im suspicious that this is caused by the rendering of the text in the entry box at the bottom of the threaded chat. it changes to showing only one line of the response instead of two at a time. it seemed to help with my problem.

hope this helps those of you in despair out there! i know how much of a hindrance it is to the best phone out there...

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It's got to be a WinMo issue. I've had this problem on my Apache, Mogul, Touch Pro, AND not to mention my Q9c.

To answer the previous question though about just WinMo phones and HTC phones. A lot of my buddies are using the G1 with android (stock roms) and they have lag issues as well. Same with my wifes Centro. Hers has a tendency to lag when the outbox and inbox is super full.

So i take back my previous statement on being just WinMo, maybe just a lack in available RAM or too slow of a processor? Not sure....

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I will confirm that after removing T9 and applying the Reg fix in the cab my keyboard keeps right up with me....

Happy Happy Joy joy

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Are you like the worlds slowest typist?? I ask because nobody else seems to agree with you.......

~John

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i see that this thread has been buried... :( ... i have flashed multiple rom's and none have really helped me with this issue! i'm about to give up hope, anyone find any new fixes for this?

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I guess i have progress on spotting the issue.

Im using JDs 6.5 rom and the lag is present but only depending on what app i use. I have the most lag in the txting app, i have a little in word mobile, and none in opera mini.... I HAVE NO LAG WHATSOEVER IN OPERA MINI!

When i hit an input txt box in opera mini, its a really simple box that doesnt even allow auto capitalization of first letters per line. I think theres other processes checking the input as we type and thats where the lag is coming from. Also, i have t9 disabled.

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i have t9 disabled as well, but the weird thing is, i only notice it while in an SMS, i dont notice it with anything else!? it's so weird! i can hard reset my device and go directly into a new SMS and its still laggy. why would it only be in SMS?

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I havent read through this thread yet, but has anyone looked for a registry key that is associated with the sms program? I dont even know the name of the process or how to find its key, but im thinking there has to be a setting in there thats allowing each key stroke to be analyzed in such a slow manner.

edit* oddly enough, the one ive found titled HKCU/Software/Microsoft/SMS, it has no keys associated with it, it has to be somewhere else

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I have yet to experience lag typing in the Rhodium SMS tab. Its definitely something in the stock SMS app.

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I agree, the sms lag is gone for me in the rhodium sms, but if i go to the stock wm 6.1 sms then lag happens, so Im guessing its the os that sux

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+1 the rhodium was laggy for me before the cdma fix but after installing that it was much better than what i was used to

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the problem is in the stock 6.1 sms

its not there in stock 5.0 sms

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I can also confirm that with using TF3D2's SMS app (I am running Juicy's ROM), the lag is not present. My biggest complaint there though is you can't tell how many characters you are typing.

Guess you can't have everything you want though.

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What if someone were to use the old CodyPPC threaded messaging from before WM 6.1? Maybe lag could improve?

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I had a lot of trouble with the CodyPPC Threaded Messaging back prior to Windows 6.1, so I am not willing to attempt to go down that road.

What I think helps to know though, is that XT9 or any other app doesn't appear to be the cause for the lag. It almost certainly seems like the Messaging app itself.

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Agreed. I've not had lag problems on Juicy ROMs, but also can't select a ringtone. Guess it is a case of pick your poison.

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i tried that
with cody on 6.1 theres 0 lag
but it doesnt read in tf3d

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Yeah, I thought of that after I posted. Over at XDA, svenso has his new SSMaHo application up and running. Theoretically, you should be able to use that to change clicking on a message in TouchFlo to take you to Cody's messaging (or any application). The problem I've run into is that I'm too much of a rookie to know what to put in the command line to get it to take me to the message I just clicked on instead of just the inbox.

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what is SSMaHo?
can u point me to a link

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493810

It is an updated SSMaPa.

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Thanks for beating me to it. Was away from the computer today. Someone let me know if they figure out the command to be able to map an alternate threaded messaging app to act just like the current through TF3D.

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how do you put the the Rhodium SMS. Im running mightyRom 4.12. Is there a way to just put on rhodium SMS??

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Hey ruskiyab, in case you're still following this. That's not the definite solution. I deactivated the xt9 and the keyboard still lags pretty bad.

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Why not just use the regular keyboard with classic competion..??

Seem to do the trick for me since I only use the hardware keyboard to type...

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What's funny is that I barely have anything in my current rom and it still lags.

I have no TF3D, no dialer skins, just plain windows and SPB shell on top.

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What exactly do you mean by regular keyboard?