I Hate Hate Hate Tf3d
 

I came from a titan runing DCD and i guess i'm spoiled because i'm used to things responding right away when i hit it on the screen. now, i think i've given tf3d a fighting chance. i've tried it stock (without & then with the touch pro clean up cab), juicy 4.7 and now mightymike 4.9?? (i think. what ever the most recent one is). the X button never seems to work well, everything is always a step behind, and i always seem to be opening things i dont want because i keep hitting 2 or 3 times and then the phone catches up it sends me through 2 or 3 menus i didn't mean to go into. i've run the tweeks found in touch pro essentials and didn't see much difference. i'm about to download GC's kitchen and just say screw it to tf3d. it's a shhame because in some ways i really like it. it's just to slow.

before i give up on it totally, anyone have any suggestions that might bring me around again? anyone have a rom especially built for tf3d speed? am i missing a important tweek that fixes everything? one last chance. HELP!

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Sounds like you need to disable it.

~John

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Somthing must be wrong with your phone hardware. Have you tried running without your memory card inserted. I had a friend with some probs with bad sectors on a memory card and that caused his phone to be laggy. Apparently he did a scan and repair and deleted the livesearch cache which is where a lot of the bad files were. That fixed it but this has happened twice over the past 3 months.

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I have to say that is pretty weird. MMikes rom has the cfc - compressed HD version, which along with maxed out buffers per the essentials thread should be faster then my version running on top of the stock rom - and mine keeps up with me just fine.

How much free mem do you have? You don't need a boatload, so adding common apps to the exclude list in HTC Task Manager will keep em in memory and really speed up switching. I have opera and email always loaded since I'm most often flipping between them, and (along with insane buffer settings) I still have 80MB+ ram free. More then enough ;)

Or as suggested above, just disable it and run whatever you were running on your mogul. I hear that's nice too ;)

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i'll give this a try. i hope that thats the problem.

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i just found THIS THREAD and was wondering how can one tell if the rom they are running is using these drivers. right now i'm on MightyMikes latest.

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Try HD on your stock rom.....it is fast. http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...517#post634517

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downloading now. i'll give it a try. thanks

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I still wish there was a good way to completely remove it from the rom though. I'm hooked on nue217 with the extra button mapping, but tf3d is like a virus that sinks its talons into every nook and cranny of the o/s. (dialer/vol/txt/ect..)
No Sir, I don't like it...

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i HATE TF3d also...it is terrible...i suggest pocket plus 4...thats what i use...pm me and i can hook u up with the goodies

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Install a rom without TF3D. Or build your own with a kitchen.

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I'm soo tired of that answer. like I said i'm stuck on a rom that has unique features, that to my knowledge has yet to be available in any kitchen.
there are countless versions and tweaks of this app, but no one has ever posted a comprehensive way to disable everything tf3d. I fear I may have to do this myself, but I know very little about it.

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well, i tried GC kitchen without the tf3d but it just doesn't feel right. i might as well have kept my titan. i'm trying MightyMike's new rom 4.9.5 and i'll try to install HD over it. i also found a thread talking about omni drivers that i would love to try, but you have to cook them in and i can't find an oem of them.

would changing the pagepool help? how would i go about doing that?

also i'll try pocket plus 4 and see how that is

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i removed it using erice's clean rom. it's one of those kirvin for the apache clean, or no2chem/dcd for the mogul clean type roms. where it's pretty much....nothing. Jus plain ole, default, regular windows mobile. and i love it like that. with over 100 cabs i have everything i need to dirty them up myself. a lot of people include oxios hibernate and pim backup in their 'clean' roms. i hate those. because to free ram i use quickmenu, and for backup i use sprite. i don't like having more then one program that does the same thing.

i do have three browsers though. but they have their three specialties in which one does somethings better then the others. so i pick between them based on what it is i'm trying to accomplish.

i also don't like tf3d. it's definitely beautiful. but so is the G1 and the Iphone. but it's also, ultimately 'wack' like them too.

I won't flat out call those phones wack though. jus doesn't compare to windows mobile. The Touch Pro for Sprint is the most superior phone u can buy in the US at this moment.

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i run 48mb pagepool and it eliminated almost all tf3d lag i was getting except for the music tab.

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Well i have to agree with the OP. Another option is to use UltimateLaunch. If u take the time u can configure it to look almost exactly like TF3D except u wont have the slider across the tabs. It wont slow down the system and you will have the flexibility of using your own plugins on the tab. This means more functionality and quicker and more precise access to ur programs. What do u have to lose? Try it and if that doesnt work just disable the darn TF3D.

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I'm using Mighty Mikes latest with a 24meg pagepool and it's pdq. I don't use the music tab though. Spb mobile shell is another option. There are themes over on xda that look exactly like tf3d and real easy to install. The favorite contact page is a lot more finger friendly too. I have a theme and everything you need if you want it. PM me

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I just wish there were a smooth alternative to build your own today on a VGA screen.
Ultimate Launch had a significant lag transitioning between screens. On QVGA it was great, but whatever video method it uses, its clearly NOT the 3D/2D acceleration that TF3d uses.

After using Manilla for a bit, I found it just as maddening as you guys do, however I have to admit that I can't bring myself to going with something that performs poorly afterwards.

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Mobile Shell 3.0 is going to be announced next week. Maybe it will be a great alternative to TF3D.

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I'm fairly certain that as soon as you disable it from the today screen, it will no longer have an effect on the system.

The Home button tied to manilla, quirky Qmenu task switching, HTC Audio taking over the A2DP player... all that stuff about TF3D that drives me CRAZY stops when I disable it and reboot. Physical removal should not be necessary.

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I was thinking the same thing since I've been using WAD instead of TF3D and there are no manilla carryovers in that case.

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hhmmmm. thats good to know. that way i can use others roms and just uncheck tf3d. of course like stifiling said, why have two things installed that do the same thing. why have tf3d installed and taking up space when i won't use it.

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Has anyone tried ThrottleLauncher on their VGA devices yet?

I never looked at it when I had a Titan because I was happy with Ultimate Launch, but this actually looks pretty damned cool. I'm wondering if the reason no one talks about it is that it doesn't run well on VGA... but then again, I don't see any threads talking about THAT either. Anyone have any experience with this?

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have you tried point ui yet? ive been using it for a couple of days and like it. Its pretty dummied down but runs as smooth as melted butter.

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You could always go with good old HTC Home :). I have a version linked in my sig.

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Schettj,

Does HTC Manager work on the Mogul?

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I'm not Schettj, but yes there is an HTC Task Manager for the Mogul. I believe it's built into the stock rom. It would be the drop down menu in the top right corner that lists what apps are running. (just in case you aren't sure what it is, I apologize if you know already). I could try to find the cab I used when I had my Mogul and installed a clean ROM if you don't have it.

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Try the version of Manila that ruskiyab has inside his HD People tab port ... it sped up TF3D on my device significantly. (CFC version)

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=28

As for the X button, that's a screen sensitivity issue, try boosting it and using TouchResponse for haptic feedback. Less propensity toward double-tapping things because you know the device registered the tap.

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I hate 3d, i have nothing but problems. now i havemighty mikes and when i goto use certain apps it tells me i do not have enough memory to run the program. I know there is a memoy leek how can i fix it?

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Bonzaiwolfe,

I haven't flashed my Rom yet. I'm trying to figure out what the best build would be for me and which Rom.

I have HTC's WM 6.1 upgrade and use the HTC TM so I'm sure I have it. Since you have a Mogul, what was the fastest and most stable Rom you flashed? I gave you a thanks for your post. I'm new at this so I am giving out lots of "Thanks."

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Sounds like someone has the Verizon version of the TPro.
I truly do hate that carrier for gimping stuff like this...

Speed isn't the issue for most of us, I think... My TF3D is as fast and smooth as I'd ever want, with all the rom, d3d and manilla tweaks I've gone through, so that's not the problem. My problem is that although it looks really pretty, I don't like how it works. It feels totally inefficient, form over function. If I wanted form over function, I'd opt for the Apple OS!

I thought maybe if it ran smoothly, I'd find the use in it, but alas- it just feels like everything takes longer to do. Not that TF3D doesn't run smoothly, because it totally can if you do it right, but rather that its just NOT USEFUL! Everything seems to take more taps and precision slides/movements to get the same data that would all be on the screen at once otherwise. Also, it takes hostile control of the top right corner of the screen (Qmenu won't show the battery icon there anymore), plus automatically places itself on top of things when I don't want it to (pressing an AVRCP command on my headset or switching tasks in some popular task managers will suddenly revert back to home when TF3D is running). Removing Manilla from the today screen effectively solves all those problems for me, but I'd like to at least replace it with something snazzier than average today plugins.

This thread is at least reassuring in that I'm not alone in this.

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The last one I used was DCD 3.2.6. It was a stripped down (clean) ROM, and I just added what I wanted. It was very stable for me, I don't know what version it's up to now though. The last time I flashed was in October last year for the Mogul. I guess for you it would depend if you like the normal Sprint load-out or not, since pretty much all of that was gone from his ROM. I just installed what I needed.

I never messed with the pagepool on the Mogul ROMs, but I think that would really be the only way to bump up the speed much (although Windows Mobile builds in the 20xxx series seem to be slightly faster than the 19xxx series). Personally though, the Mogul is so limited on RAM it's probably not a good idea to bump up the pagepool much if at all.

Sorry if I don't have a whole lot of information to give you, I didn't really get into more technical aspects of anything until I got my TP (and I'm still way behind a lot of people here :P) I'm pretty sure I still have the cabs for stuff I installed when I had my Mogul though, so I might be able to help a little with that.

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It is never correct to make a blanket statement like that.

There are plenty of fast ROM's out there. I use & like scrosler's ROM's but they aren't any faster than some of the other custom ROM's available.

Scrosler's C kitchen left my phone unbootable two days ago, which also demonstrates some of the things you need to watch out for.

~John

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I love TF3d.... it looks like my phones used to look after endless hacking and tweaking. It was nice not having to do it for once!

Later,

Matt!

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Banzai - is this undo-able? I don't know anything about HTC Home, so I don't know if I'd like it better than TF3d, but I'd like to try. I just want to be sure I can get back to TF3d if I want to. Thanks.

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Yeah, it is a today plugin just as TF3D is. All of the images get installed into the \HTCHome directory instead of \Windows, so it won't clutter up your windows directory even more. I can't guarantee there are zero issues as I don't use TF3D extensively, but I haven't had issues switching between the two.

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I finally gave up on TF3D and went back to Spb Mobile Shell... haven't looked back, and I'm actually really looking forward to Mobile Shell 3.0.

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ahh, welcome to the club.. I don't suppose you're working on another revision of your tp cleanup that removes all the tf3d elements..... that would be sweet!

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I would definitely be interested in that!