Manila TF3D - What's The Point?

[Deimoss]

What it seems to be is that you deliberately signed up made a ppc geeks account to deliberately rant about features you like and don't like, and it also sounds like you may have a little buyers remorse, If you aren't completely happy return the device, and be patient for a new device that better suits your needs, there are plenty of reviews on the Touch Pro variants, enough so, that you should of had a more than educated guess on its performance

[jazee]

Originally Posted by Deimoss

What it seems to be is that you deliberately signed up made a ppc geeks account to deliberately rant about features you like and don't like, and it also sounds like you may have a little buyers remorse, If you aren't completely happy return the device, and be patient for a new device that better suits your needs, there are plenty of reviews on the Touch Pro variants, enough so, that you should of had a more than educated guess on its performance

1) I never said I wasn't happy with the device - you are jumping to conclusions that I did not post. I merely said I was unsure about the usefulness of TF3D and gave specific examples why and being a new TF3D user wanted the opinions of other TF3D users that have more experience with it. I was wondering if there were some features I had missed, especially regarding customization or if maybe I totally misunderstood the whole point to it. To the contrary I posted I was a happy user of the device overall.

2) I'm not sure what you are trying to infer by using words like 'deliberately' ??? Deliberately trying to do what? If you are a new user of something, device, software, and you want to discuss it with other users, is not the logical thing to do, find a user group/discussion forum with lots of users of the same device and take part in the discussion - which we all know DOES involve having to register, deliberately. You seem to have a prejudice towards me because I'm a new user.

I'll respond to any further posts you have about the topic of this thread - the usefulness (the point of) the TF3D shell. But if all you are going to do is put up posts that are primarily intended to just criticize people and infer they have some ulterior motivation other than trying to have a legitimate discussion and get feedback from others, I find that not constructive to the discussion and a waste of all of our time.

[Deimoss]

While i see both sides to the argument on TF3D, its usefulness and usability, its drawbacks and shortcomings, more so, after months of testing, modifying, and all together disabling it, to formulate an opinion on it, I have to say it's better than them never have developing it.

The underlying truth, is that we have options, and more so we have opinions. Sure your alarm clock might not show up on Tf3D or something easy to fix like that (mine does) and maybe you don't like having to get a 2nd today to manage your life, That's just the way things are.

Finding people that share your same opinions might make you feel better, but really who is this about in the end?

[dr g]

Originally Posted by jazee

He dr g, can you give some specifics on how the HD version is more customizeable. I saw a view of a review on one and they didn't talk about customization.

The HD version has built-in tab customization (select and arrange), plus a few more features in some tabs (5-day forecast, buttons for call/text/email contacts). There might be more but I don't know them offhand. I would think that they are adding further customization to future versions.

BTW check out throttlelauncher for something similar to TF3D that has more functionality.

[jazee]

Originally Posted by Deimoss

While i see both sides to the argument on TF3D, its usefulness and usability, its drawbacks and shortcomings, more so, after months of testing, modifying, and all together disabling it, to formulate an opinion on it, I have to say it's better than them never have developing it.

The underlying truth, is that we have options, and more so we have opinions. Sure your alarm clock might not show up on Tf3D or something easy to fix like that (mine does) and maybe you don't like having to get a 2nd today to manage your life, That's just the way things are.

Finding people that share your same opinions might make you feel better, but really who is this about in the end?

I agree with you from the perspective you take on the entire phone - better to have it than not have it at all. That is sort of the strength of this platform, it is sort of two phones in one. I think you made a good point as others have. TF3D offers a more touch-centric, simplified interface for those that prefer it. For WM Power Users that must have all their special 3rd party apps, they can toggle or just turn TF3D off.

But the point of this thread was to discuss the merits of TF3D as an adequate replacement to the traditional WM interface, not to discuss if the phone overall was good or not.

And the purpose of me starting the thread was not to just see if others would validate my initial observations, but to see if anyone could provide additional information that would actually CHANGE my initial opinion on TF3D. This discussion isn't about a person, it's about a feature in an operating system. Granted its value differs depending on how the phone is used, but some general conclusions can be made.

[prototypedc]

i hear what ur saying but any one would read ur first post and take it as a long winded attack on HTC and its not like u had to pay for TF3D its extra included free i mean for that much u could have started a thread talkin about how we should have got bigger memory cards u cleaned it up in the end but came off sounding really ungrateful all HTC did was try to make our live easier they didn't have to do anything

Originally Posted by jazee

I agree with you from the perspective you take on the entire phone - better to have it than not have it at all. That is sort of the strength of this platform, it is sort of two phones in one. I think you made a good point as others have. TF3D offers a more touch-centric, simplified interface for those that prefer it. For WM Power Users that must have all their special 3rd party apps, they can toggle or just turn TF3D off.

But the point of this thread wauns to discuss the merits of TF3D as an adequate replacement to the traditional WM interface, not to discuss if the phone overall was good or not.

And the purpose of me starting the thread was not to just see if others would validate my initial observations, but to see if anyone could provide additional information that would actually CHANGE my initial opinion on TF3D. This discussion isn't about a person, it's about a feature in an operating system. Granted its value differs depending on how the phone is used, but some general conclusions can be made.

[z28marols1]

I would have to agree. Altho your later posts proved this wrong your first post almost sounded like an apple fanboy that for some reason wanted to try this phone but then didnt like it. I almost felt like it was an attack on a piece of technology that i have personally come to love...


In the end, I love TF3D for my main interface and use mToday to change profiles for whatever else i need to to.

[z28marols1]

And please excuse my sensitivity to iPhone lovers and comparisons... I work in a best buy and am one of like 3 WinMo users and everybody else is an iPhone user. And they're always like "hey, look what my iPhone does!" and ill be like "wow, thats awesome. My phone does that too. Woohoo."

[520dvx]

Jazee I have been using WM since the 6600, and have been looking at a today screen similar to your's for that entire time. I needed a change because frankly I was sick of looking at it. When I first booted to TF3D I had similar feelings and disabled it, installed all my other programs that I had been using. While being efficient it is the same old crap.

I had an iPhone for about 6 weeks because I wanted to try something new but that phone just didn't do the things I needed. The interfaces are nothing alike in my opinion.

Back to the TF3D interface, I can see everything from my today screen that you see on your's except for weather which for as much as I care it's pretty simple to touch the tab.

To each their own, it's obviously a personal preference thing... I for one will not be going back to the standard WM interface.

[jazee]

Originally Posted by 520dvx

Jazee I have been using WM since the 6600, and have been looking at a today screen similar to your's for that entire time. I needed a change because frankly I was sick of looking at it. When I first booted to TF3D I had similar feelings and disabled it, installed all my other programs that I had been using. While being efficient it is the same old crap.

I had an iPhone for about 6 weeks because I wanted to try something new but that phone just didn't do the things I needed. The interfaces are nothing alike in my opinion.

Back to the TF3D interface, I can see everything from my today screen that you see on your's except for weather which for as much as I care it's pretty simple to touch the tab.

To each their own, it's obviously a personal preference thing... I for one will not be going back to the standard WM interface.

Are you sure your TF3D shows everything mine does?

Mine shows whether bluetooth and Wi-Fi are on or off and you can toggle them by touching the icon. At this is just with one little app installed. If I was using other apps like the SPB Shell, as a couple other people here prefer the difference would be greater.

However, you make a good point that no one else has made so far and is was sort of what I was looking for. After playing around some more with it, you are indeed more or less right, at least with my currently loaded software, it does show *almost* all the same stuff and if you scroll down the clock gets smaller so more stuff fits. The only problem is if you toggle back and forth between today screens it resets to the HUGE clock . I like it much better if it would just default to the small clock. But at least now we seem to be having a more constructive discussion here instead of weird remarks like you're 'attacking' HTC, you 'deliberately' registered just to 'rant', why are you mentioning the iPhone!?!?! What does this have to do with the iPhone!??!?! Geez, we're just talking about a freakin phone here, not world politics.

The BT and WiFi status are fairly minor and it takes a swipe, and then two presses to see the weather forecast - which is not as minor to me. Like I said, I find the weather forecast to be more important than the current time. Any wall clock, car clock, computer, or wristwatch will give you the time and one of those is virtuall always around and if you want it on your phone just display it in the top bar. Getting the current weather forecast isn't as readily available as the time.

Let me reiterate my reference to the iPhone was in the general sense that the interface is moving in a more finger friendly direction, like the iPhone. I agree the interfaces are totally different. BUT, what is the damn facination with huge clocks on phone screens? I've noted the iPhone has one too. Did it sort of increase the popularity of these big clocks when it came out? If so, a lot of skin developers sure have followed suit.

TF3D would be so much better if you could get rid of the clock and put it in the top status bar so you could display more information, including the 5-day weather forecast on the Home screen with an easy way to toggle cities without having to slide to weather and press the screen a couple times or more.

It may grow on me though if I could learn to live without the weather on my home screen, but that's almost like learning to live without my upcoming appointments on my home screen, almost.