Re: Graphics Performance issues?
 

Well.... you see the issue is not that its meant to play COD and Crysis at full specs. Its the fact that 3 or more year older devices perform better. Its like buying a 2009 Mustang but the 2006 Ford Mustang outperforms it by double the horsepower. And the Dealer never mentioned it. Its funny because i was playing with my old Mogul and I could not hel noticing it barely just barely seemed a bit smoother on the net. Sure.. its not hi res but it did behave strangly better. Kinda ticked me off... but the Pro 640 by 480 resolution is just beautiful.

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I am NOT a business user that is for sure. Why did I buy the Touch Pro? Because I like the features that were offered according to the reviews I read. Because the phone looks damn cool. Because I am on Sprint and their plans are far cheaper then the other alternatives and because I refuse to buy into the over priced iPhony. Also because Windows Mobile phones are so customizable it's not even funny.

Would I like to be able to play Doom 3 on my mobile phone at 100 FPS? OF COURSE! I would also love for the phone to play DVD quality movies! However, I didn't buy it for that.

I am sure it is split that way. The Touch Pro was advertised as a business phone after all but you will still have enthusiasts buying it up because it's a **** hot phone.

I hear ya and I can understand but this phone was advertised as a business phone, not a multimedia phone. Plus, those older phones can't touch the Touch Pro in most other services. If they could, then everyone would still be using them. Now, if the phone was said to play games and stuff better then "the rest" I could see all the frustration.

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Exactly, WM devices are not gaming devices, this isnt the iphone no matter how much the media tried to compare every device to the iphone. the iphone is a toy, with entertainment and gaming first, and office function as a hindsight which is totally opposite of WM. WM is a business platform first, and just happens to have media player and some photo viewing capabilities.

I have a Dell mini 9 I use for strictly work, but just because it has media player and some games on it doesnt mean I expect it to perform like my older home laptop. it was built for a particular function, namely portable and light for work, as a 8.9" base netbook sure wasnt meant to be a gaming platform, just like WM.

And the Mustang analogy is a little off. There is nowhere that its legal to release that performance to notice the difference. A average person (average Joe) will not notice 250hp vs 300hp or know one's quarter mile time is .3 seconds faster. Neither were built as race cars to utilize all the HP the engines can make and VERY few people ever put them to the test- just like gaming on WM. Essentially, just because something older may perform better does not mean its better overall nor does it mean that it was the core feature of the product. Its just another case of the minority screaming the loudest about being dissatisfied about the smallest things.

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Way terrible analogy. I don't know why you continue to insinuate the extent of the graphics performance of the TP was known to everyone who bought one; those numbers weren't always available. And numbers only tell you so much, for an individual's personal use, there is always a significant amount about any device that will only be learned once it is owned.

On paper, the hardware is plenty capable to deliver what most of us are asking, but in practice the drivers are making the device perform far, far below what that hardware should be delivering. That is not a simple issue of buying a Pinto when you wanted a Porsche. We bought the Porsche.

You keep trying to talk about dedicated video players and such, but all we're asking is for it to play video like OTHER POCKET PCs. It doesn't even reach that. Performance no worse that previous devices could be forgiven. Actual regression is a lot less forgivable.

EDIT: The whole "it's not sold as a gaming/video/etc. device, it's a business device" line is garbage. WM devices are actually barely advertised at all ... that's because the userbase is already relatively knowledgeable and knows what to expect from the device based on its specifications. An enthusiast userbase, if you will. So when the device does not perform up to its specs ... that is a real issue and is worth talking about.

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You're on Sprint, you have 30 days to try and buy, sounds like you should return it if it's not living up to your expectations. You didn't get duped by HTC or Sprint. I don't have much else to say on the subject. I realize some people are upset but the fact remains, regardless of whats under the hood, the phone was never advertised as a multimedia device. You got what you paid for. Trying to compare it to other mobile phones isn't going to fix what you think is broken.

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well said and true that. Stop comparing it to everything else, and enjoy what you bought or get rid of it. There is NO perfect device and every device that performs "better" has way larger faults that their owners complain about too..

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The only mobile phone I'm comparing it to is itself. I know what it is supposed to be able to do, and it's not doing it. That sucks no matter how you slice it and I for one am not going to shut up about it.

I don't care that the phone is capable enough that I would not choose another at this time over it. Gimping drivers is a sin, especially among the technorati this phone obviously appeals to.

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LOL honestly lets be real here. Comparing it to itself? Ok rattle off all of the performance specs its "supposed" to do, all of the technical details and numbers. Thats right you cant because youre comparing it to other devices, consciously or not, because no one (ok maybe engineers at HTC) can just rattle off the numbers it "should" do blindly to have a baseline.

and be as vocal as you want because no ones even sure its "gimped" so thats another large leap to a conclusion. Youre jumping to conclusions of what should have been without any other information or sets of facts/evidence to support that its some big conspiracy with the video drivers. You also seem to neglect factors like getting products to the market. If they made EVERYTHING perfect these devices would never get to the market to even use. Maybe they ran into a problem with drivers and it was a choice to leave it as is or not come out until 2009- then the crowd whining theres no new HTCs as they were get loud. No one is ever happy and you have no clue what the circumstances here are or what the chips true/peak performance really is

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While some of what you say is technically true, the signposts are all pointing in a certain direction. All that's left to say at this point is, watch this space. I suspect we'll know for sure within a month or two as these devices' secrets are unlocked.

But honestly, why crusade against those who want better drivers/better optimization? What does it benefit you to oppose the movement? I can't see a single positive thing, other than to be argumentative and scolding.

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Theres no crusading against any movement- anyone is free to do whatever they want. This is more of a voice of reason were throwing in because we ALL know what happened last time with the big stink about HTCs and how it went absolutely nowhere after all the fuss and hurt feelings. In fact most of the same people jsut bought another HTC anyways!

I just dont see the point to cause a stink and everyone bent out of shape the same way it was a few months ago quite yet with a lot of facts missing and unknowns. There is still a LOT missing here and no one even knows HTC's intent. They never once said hey these 3d drivers are going to increase video support xxx% over older devices- there were no such promises. I dont see any basis anyone can say "this device MUST perform better on video playback and gaming vs. older ones." Can it in theory, yes. But no one ever said what this increased processing power was going in to in the new HTC line. My guess is they were more concerned with a speedy overall device and using 3d for TouchFlo than video playback or gaming since its a business device. Youre getting much better and speedier overall usage for a little compromise to gaming and video which their product wast geared to nor ever promoted or promised as.