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phelony 11-09-2008 05:32 PM

Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Ok so its obvious that Old-School Word Correction is messing up the onscreen software...
Whats issues have you had using the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Syste\CurrentControlSet\Control \Layouts\e0010409] Set "Ime File"="\windows\compime.dll" and "Layout Text"="COMP IME" Hack
Any fixes available
Personally the only thing i have noticed is it Nerfed my on screen KB
i cannot type letters of any sorts only numbers or symbols
Also it seems like it might have lagged my hard KB typing slightly although this may just be my perception any ideas?
has anyone else experienced this?
and if you have does anyone have a fix
I really do not wanna capitalize the first word of every sentance manually or type ' ' ' all the time as it slows doen my texting.
This might sound lazy but I got super used to it on my Q9c

So whats the word guys any fix in sight or are we just Fubar?

fr0st 11-09-2008 06:33 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Yea I hear you dude. I had to disable work completion because of this. Hopefully there is a better .dll that works properly.

platniumrover 11-09-2008 06:45 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
The fix also doesnt work when using the keyboard to input a txt, then I just have an empty txt box where the suggested word are suppost to be @.

phelony 11-09-2008 07:52 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
For you guys is it only messing up word completion meaning where it suggests words for you simular to t9?
cause to be honest I just want it to auto '
and capitalize the first word of every sentance thats really all i care about

GoodThings2Life 11-09-2008 08:57 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Make these changes to the registry:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Tegic\eT9]
"XT9SupportMSSip"=dword:0

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Tegic\eT9\Ime]
"CurrentET9Style"=dword:0

[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e001 0409]
"Layout Text"="COMP IME"
This value should change FROM eT9 IME to COMP IME
"Ime File="\windows\compime.dll"
This value should change FROM eT9ime.dll to compime.dll

Then, soft reset and perform the following changes in Control Panel:

1. Start > Settings > Input.
2. Select Full QWERTY and click Options.
3. Select English, "Turn on one-touch symbol entry" and click T9 Settings.
4. Check ONLY the first and fourth options, uncheck the second and third.
5. Click OK twice to return to the main Input screen.
6. Click the Word Completion tab.
7. The options here SHOULD now work the way they've always worked on the Mogul and Touch, so set them how you want and open Word or a text message and give it a try.

I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while to make sure there aren't any major problems with this, but just be aware there's a couple limitations with this hack in place:

First, the SYM hard key definitely doesn't work with this hack in use, but you can always use the software keyboard for that as an alternative. (Just click .,123, and use the 1/9 page scroller to get to the ones you want.)

Second, this definitely prevents you from using T9 modes on the software keyboards (basically you can use the Full QWERTY in ABC mode, but you can't use it in T9, and the Compact and Number Pad T9's don't work). Actually, this may or may not be true... it's entirely possible that I only hate the T9 mode because I just don't know how to use it very well.

Regardless, it's a bit of a trade-off and compromise between whether you want it purely old-school QWERTY or whether you want it new-school T9. I only recommend using this if you are like me and hate the T9 input system.

rushco 11-09-2008 09:45 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I am trying it out GoodThings2Life thanks for looking into it.

fr0st 11-09-2008 10:36 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
works great for me. Thanks for the fix

gobmonster 11-09-2008 10:48 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
@GoodThings2Life

I tried your method and for somereason, it doesnt update the list as i type (with sip). Say i type in Lakes, im getting suggested "lines" "little" and "lives", BUT if i press back i get "lakeland" and "lakewood"

Works perfectly with the hardware keyboard though

GoodThings2Life 11-09-2008 11:05 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Gobmonster, I'm not sure what would cause that, but I suspect this is because the SIP is still closely integrated with T9. That said, I think this is about as balanced a solution as we're gonna find for a while.

rushco 11-10-2008 10:48 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
it broke again for me. time to change everything back.

GoodThings2Life 11-10-2008 10:59 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
rushco, when you say it broke again, what, specifically do you mean?

Also, have you installed or tweaked anything since making this mod?

rushco 11-10-2008 02:38 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 508926)
rushco, when you say it broke again, what, specifically do you mean?

Also, have you installed or tweaked anything since making this mod?

I go to use the on screen keyboard and can only use the numbers. I changed everything back and did a soft restart and it still only shows numbers.

I installed a flash light app and that was it. It always works for a day and then breaks. I can not figure out why it breaks.

GoodThings2Life 11-10-2008 02:47 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Something is definitely changing that one registry setting from eT9 IME to COMP IME. That is definitely the setting that breaks it. I'll see if I can put together an easier way to reset it the way it ought to be.

phelony 11-10-2008 03:43 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
i had this issue switched back to the stock ime
soft reset
switched back
and my onscreen works again

GoodThings2Life 11-10-2008 03:51 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Are you guys using Advanced Config or Diamond Tweak by any chance? Because I just used 0.5.3 of Diamond Tweak and it jacked up a number of settings on me even though I closed via the X instead of clicking OK. Not real happy about that right now since I have to hard reset again.

rushco 11-10-2008 04:04 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 509507)
Are you guys using Advanced Config or Diamond Tweak by any chance? Because I just used 0.5.3 of Diamond Tweak and it jacked up a number of settings on me even though I closed via the X instead of clicking OK. Not real happy about that right now since I have to hard reset again.

Now that I think of it I did disable the startup sound and picture. That shouldn't have anything to do with it though. I am not using either of those tweaks.

Are you using the old school word correction or not? Is it working for you all the time?

GoodThings2Life 11-10-2008 04:08 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I am using the word correction method that I described above without issue, and I have done about 20 soft resets in the past 24 hours.

As for Diamond Tweak, I think there may be a pretty serious bug that it's applying tweaks even if you close rather than click OK.

rushco 11-10-2008 04:10 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 509552)
I am using the word correction method that I described above without issue, and I have done about 20 soft resets in the past 24 hours.

As for Diamond Tweak, I think there may be a pretty serious bug that it's applying tweaks even if you close rather than click OK.

Are you using any custom ROM or just tweaking the sprint ROM?

GoodThings2Life 11-10-2008 04:40 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I only work with stock ROM's because that's all I would allow my users at work to use.

GoodThings2Life 11-11-2008 12:14 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
1 Attachment(s)
Here is the full tweak in CAB format so that you can re-install it easily.

This will make sure that both the Layout Text and IME File values are set properly, so even if it magically breaks on you in the future, re-installing this should resolve it.

Soft-reset required afterward, then setup your "Input" options as you prefer them.

Updated 11/12/2008: MakuSoto has documented an addition condition that is sometimes set (though I'm not sure why or how it gets toggled after the fact). I have updated the cab file to include his fix just in case.

Updated 11/18/2008: One more registry setting added based on feedback on XDA. I'm still not convinced, but we'll see if it does the trick on a permanent basis.

phelony 11-11-2008 03:05 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 511295)
Here is the full tweak in CAB format so that you can re-install it easily.

This will make sure that both the Layout Text and IME File values are set properly, so even if it magically breaks on you in the future, re-installing this should resolve it.

Soft-reset required afterward, then setup your "Input" options as you prefer them.

I would love a cab the reset standard IME as well so i could toggle on toggle off and on as needed when the peice of crap tries to brick

eballin 11-11-2008 03:07 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
here is my problem, i want my default keyboard to be the compact qwerty, but most the time when i open my on screen keyboard it opens the full qwerty.. how can i fix this?

HBOOT 11-11-2008 03:28 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Same here man, whenever I soft reset or turn off the TP I find my Resco replaced,also Auto complete or word suggestion is a hit or miss, well mostly miss. A fix will be greatly appreciated.

GoodThings2Life 11-11-2008 03:32 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
If you want to change which SIP is the default, search for SIPChange on these forums.

DFWBo 11-11-2008 07:50 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Sorry, a bit of a newbie here, but what do I do with the .txt file?
Thanks,

jayrodclg 11-11-2008 10:19 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
im having the same problem where the SIP word suggestion wont update as i type, works perfect on hardware keyboard. i had it working when i first got the phone then it "broke" like some others talked about(would only type numbers, that stuff) and i havent been able to get it back.

GoodThings2Life 11-11-2008 10:56 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I know for a fact that Diamond Tweak breaks it if you use it to do tweaking. Diamond Config with certain tweaks.xml files may do so as well.

Only use the CAB I provided above. It's the only one that works.

However, the on screen keyboard isn't always showing the word-correction updates as quick as you type. I assume that's a casualty of the poor T9/COMP integration. It is what it is though, and we just have to take the option that works best until a better solution is found.

DFWBo 11-11-2008 11:06 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Thanks Good. So to fix it, do I need to uninstall the Diamond Tweaks and run the cab? I ran the cab with the Tweaks still on the phone and it didn't fix the problem. Is the Tweaks.xml.txt file posted only to be used with the Diamond Tweaks program?

I'm confused as to how to fix this and really don't want to do a hard reset and reload everything....
Thanks,

GoodThings2Life 11-11-2008 11:09 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
The cab should fix it UNLESS Diamond Tweaks or other program is causing a conflict and changing the setting. Of course, you do need to soft reset after installing it too... so if you haven't, please do so. :)

DFWBo 11-12-2008 12:31 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Thanks for the help, but I can't get it....argh, time to hard reset.](*,)

bndfishing 11-12-2008 12:42 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I found that this breaks the on screen keyboard when used with Pocket Infromant and or HTC Home. When this hack is used with one or both of those apps, you can't select ABC and are left only with numbers. When you change it back you have the compact qwert. Is there a layout hack or something I can use to fix this?

GoodThings2Life 11-12-2008 02:18 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
UPDATE: Well crap... I just had the ABC-disabled glitch happen to me out of the blue today, and no explanation why. I'm going to reapply the tweaks to get it working again and then I'll be doing some registry monitoring to see what the heck is changing to trigger this behavior.

UPDATE 2: Well, as I suspected, something was changed, and MakuSoto discovered it too. Apparently, the ABC/T9 toggle is getting switched somehow, and although I'm not sure how yet, at least I know what to watch for.

UPDATE 3: I am updating the cab file in the original post above with the appropriate tweak by MakuSuto.

DFWBo 11-12-2008 05:14 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Yes, it just happened to me right after receiving a call then going into contacts to update some information in that contact.

I did a hard reset last night, applied the Sprint Music hack, the sensitivity regedit, and used your word completion cab. I did not install the Diamond Tweak thinking that was the cause. Now I'm back to having to hard reset I suppose unless anyone knows what registry edit I need to make. ARGH!!!

GoodThings2Life 11-12-2008 05:18 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Stop, reapply the new version of the hack I posted or read MakuSoto's post that I linked to. That should fix it again.

Are you certain that it happened after making/receiving a call? I'm not sure when mine reverted, so I'm sure even sure what to look for. I just know I'll be spending the next couple days checking it after everything that happens, lol.

DFWBo 11-12-2008 05:25 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
It happed after receiving a call, however I then opened up a contact. Keyboard was fine when I first opened a contact, but once I made a change, then went to the next field and needed the keyboard, it was all numbers. I think I did what Makusoto posted, I changed the value to Zero and is seems to be back to normal now...thank goodness and thanks for your help.

phelony 11-13-2008 12:56 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DFWBo (Post 514660)
It happed after receiving a call, however I then opened up a contact. Keyboard was fine when I first opened a contact, but once I made a change, then went to the next field and needed the keyboard, it was all numbers. I think I did what Makusoto posted, I changed the value to Zero and is seems to be back to normal now...thank goodness and thanks for your help.

what did he post i cant find it..... same issue with me

rushco 11-13-2008 01:31 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 514637)
Stop, reapply the new version of the hack I posted or read MakuSoto's post that I linked to. That should fix it again.

Are you certain that it happened after making/receiving a call? I'm not sure when mine reverted, so I'm sure even sure what to look for. I just know I'll be spending the next couple days checking it after everything that happens, lol.

Mine broke again. It lasted more than 1 day though. I installed some activesync killer and then I noticed it broke. So I uninstalled that and installed the updated cab and everything is back to how it is supposed to be. I will see if it breaks again.

GoodThings2Life 11-13-2008 01:55 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
I'm monitoring mine very closely anytime I do something to see if I can catch what is changing the settings. So far nothing definitive.

phelony 11-13-2008 03:47 AM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
lol someone should just **** it and write a new ime ....

musiqlives 11-15-2008 01:48 PM

Re: Old-School Word Correction... Fixes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life (Post 508169)
Make this change to the registry:

[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e001 0409]

"Layout Text"="eT9 IME"
THIS VALUE MUST STAY THIS WAY, DO NOT
CHANGE IT TO "COMP IME"!


"Ime File="\windows\compime.dll"
This value should change FROM eT9ime.dll to compime.dll

Then, soft reset and perform the following changes in Control Panel:

1. Start > Settings > Input.
2. Select Full QWERTY and click Options.
3. Select English, "Turn on one-touch symbol entry" and click T9 Settings.
4. Check ONLY the first and fourth options, uncheck the second and third.
5. Click OK twice to return to the main Input screen.
6. Click the Word Completion tab.
7. The options here SHOULD now work the way they've always worked on the Mogul and Touch, so set them how you want and open Word or a text message and give it a try.

I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while to make sure there aren't any major problems with this, but just be aware there's a couple limitations with this hack in place:

First, the SYM hard key definitely doesn't work with this hack in use, but you can always use the software keyboard for that as an alternative. (Just click .,123, and use the 1/9 page scroller to get to the ones you want.)

Second, this definitely prevents you from using T9 modes on the software keyboards (basically you can use the Full QWERTY in ABC mode, but you can't use it in T9, and the Compact and Number Pad T9's don't work). Actually, this may or may not be true... it's entirely possible that I only hate the T9 mode because I just don't know how to use it very well.

Regardless, it's a bit of a trade-off and compromise between whether you want it purely old-school QWERTY or whether you want it new-school T9. I only recommend using this if you are like me and hate the T9 input system.

Im new at this. Can you tell me how to make a change to the registry. It would really be helpful. Thanks


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