is there really no way to remove stock progs

[TreyBeno]

The simplest answer is to use a custom ROM plain and simple. If its in the ROM then ur stuck with it and deleting from windows might cause some dead ends as other programs might be linked to them. As stated b4 there are registry changes that might damage ur phone or data if u simply delete stuff. A custom ROM is the solution. There is really no way around it.