New Info on Touch Pro and Diamond - Page 5

**TheBundo** · #41 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 01:41 AM

Frankly, Raphael isn't any better than Herman. It's the Spanish version of Ralph. Excuse, I think I'll go to the bathroom and ralph.....

**t0mmyr** · #42 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 02:02 AM

damn what the hell the diamond still doesnt have a flash for camera??

and what is ISM? why does the diamond have more than the herman?

**Trident** · #43 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 11:34 AM

One. I hope that all of you that hate the names don't buy the phones. It will make it easier to get for those of us more interested in features than names. They could call this phone the crap-basket and I'd still buy it. (I don't think I'd tell my friends what it was called, but none of them likely care either.)

Two. I think that it's a good thing to have less ISM. From what I've read, ISM stands for Intimate (or Internal) Shared Memory. Think of it as a PC with onboard video vs a dedicated video card. You'd much prefer to have less shared memory!

m0nti13 · #44 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Trident

Two. I think that it's a good thing to have less ISM. From what I've read, ISM stands for Intimate (or Internal) Shared Memory. Think of it as a PC with onboard video vs a dedicated video card. You'd much prefer to have less shared memory!

I don't believe that would be entirely accurate... Shared memory is many time used as a communication mechanism between two processors. Now I don't know specifically about ISM or GPU/CPU communication, but it would seem to make sense that the messaging stack being larger would alleviate the needs for throttling and stalls on a RTOS...

**[sammich]** · #45 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nti13

I don't believe that would be entirely accurate... Shared memory is many time used as a communication mechanism between two processors. Now I don't know specifically about ISM or GPU/CPU communication, but it would seem to make sense that the messaging stack being larger would alleviate the needs for throttling and stalls on a RTOS...

I'm split between both of you.

On one hand, less ISM would mean that more memory could be directly allocated to the graphics

But on the other, it could mean that by having less ISM, performance would suffer due to lack of directly allocated memory in the first place.

m0nti13 · #46 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 01:34 PM

And... There is also the redundancy of shared data which gets saved... But, like all Hardware, software, embedded and host/app programming, limitations force you to negotiate give and takes for the usability and efficiency of the whole project... You just have to hope the hardware/software engineers have some clue about what their doing... I'm pretty young and still have some faith left

**Trident** · #47 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by m0nti13

I don't believe that would be entirely accurate... Shared memory is many time used as a communication mechanism between two processors. Now I don't know specifically about ISM or GPU/CPU communication, but it would seem to make sense that the messaging stack being larger would alleviate the needs for throttling and stalls on a RTOS...

This may well be true. I don't profess to be an expert.
I just remember reading that what was really important was the total amount of Program memory that was available. It may be that with the large amounts of flash memory these devices have, it's irrelevant whether one has 32Mb more or less shared with some other processing load.

RicoRich196 · #48 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 04:37 PM

My opinion of the difference in ISM is for the Verizon devices to compensate for the older 7500 Qualcomm that lacks video drivers and is SLOWER (@ 400 Mhz) than Sprint's devices.

MooZx3 · #49 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 12:06 PM

Could is be that ISM really means thats the TOTAL amount available to use between hardwares. And less of it is actaully bad.
It would be fine if no hardware devices had thier own personnal memory, so long as there was a huge bank of it somewhere.... In theory. Though this isn't exactly how it works due to latency.

Overall the intial reviews I've seen from the few that have been released so far aren't good.
Most complain of sluggishness.
So I'm not apt to say any of these features matter.
it's the software that's really going to come into play.
I think Software for PDAs is totally overdeveloped. Too much garbage taking up what is a very small amount of rescources to begin with.

I won't be happy until it gets release in the U.S. by a big name carrier and someone tells me it operates better and faster than the phone it's replacing. (mogul)

Til then these are exactly what they are. Numbers on paper. I want to see them in action.

EtherealRemnant · #50 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:11 PM

I have a friend that has a Diamond on Sprint already... he said its by far the best device he's ever used and that Sprint and HTC did a fantastic job of cleaning up the performance issues. Battery life, however, he's still not too sure about.