Raphael/touch Pro Comin To Sprint??

[jaggrey]

I always thought the simultaneous text/data thing would come with EV-DV

[Surur]

Originally Posted by bedoig

Proof? Documentation? I've had this debate several times and I have yet to see anyone provide support for that proposition.

Nortel Demonstrates Wireless Broadband 'Triple Play' Solution

Technology Designed to Deliver Simultaneous Voice, Video, Data 'Anytime, Anywhere'

MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 12, 2005--Wireless service providers and their customers will soon be able to benefit from simultaneous delivery of voice, video and data virtually 'anytime, anywhere,' leveraging technology developed by Nortel (NYSE:NT - News; TSX:NT - News). This service bundling is designed not only to help create a new business model for wireless operators, but also to position them to increase revenue potential and enhance the subscriber experience.

Nortel plans to demonstrate real time applications and its 'triple play' solution over a live CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. A network at the 3G CDMA Americas Congress, September 12-14, 2005 (Room G, Miami Convention Center).

The ability to deliver simultaneous broadband data, VoIP and IPTV media services over a single EV-DO connection is another step in Nortel's plan to position CDMA operators to lead the shift to a converged business model.

"Today, people expect wireless services to be as fast, reliable and secure as their wireline connections," said Richard Lowe, president, CDMA, Nortel. "Nortel's DO Rev. A and IMS/MMD solutions will help make tomorrow's service aware networks more intelligent, and assist CDMA operators in increasing profit potential by creating new business models and service bundling opportunities to enhance the subscriber experience."

Nortel's DO Rev. A and IMS/MMD solution benefits include an open design to provide personalized services for each user; options for increasing revenue through innovative bundling of voice, video and data services; and higher network transmission speeds with lower latency to ensure the highest quality user experiences for gaming, music, VoIP, PTx (Push to Talk, Push to See, Push to Video), video telephony, and broadcast/multicast services.

In August 2005, Nortel and Airvana completed live 1xEV-DO Rev. A calls at Airvana's lab in Chelmsford, Mass. using test handsets provided by QUALCOMM. The calls reached peak download rates of 3.1 Mbps and peak upload rates of 1.8 Mbps -- approximately 12 times faster than available on today's commercial DO Rev. 0 networks. The test calls demonstrated average round-trip delays below 40 milliseconds, which is approximately two times faster than DO Rev. 0.

"We are excited to work with Nortel and be at the forefront of delivering 1xEV-DO Rev. A to market," said Randy Battat, chief executive officer, Airvana.

Nortel recently demonstrated live video streaming to an EV-DO enabled PDA at 25 frames per second, equivalent to the TV experience at home. This was accomplished in Telefonica Moviles commercial EV-DO network in Guatemala City, Guatemala in collaboration with SmartVideo Technologies, a leading provider of live and on-demand IPTV services.

"It is gratifying to have worked with Nortel on this exciting project," said Richard E. Bennett, Jr., president and chief executive officer, SmartVideo (www.smartvideo.com). "We are also working with Nortel on an interoperability testing program to enable delivery of advanced video services to subscribers."

"Our BroadbandAccess laptop service for business customers and V CAST consumer multimedia service are market-leading, thanks to support from EV-DO network infrastructure providers such as Nortel," said Bill Stone, executive director, network strategy, Verizon Wireless. "We will stay at the forefront of the 3G world by continuing to work with Nortel to attain the added benefits Rev. A will give the award-winning Verizon Wireless network."

In March 2005, Nortel announced plans to trial Rev. A with Verizon Wireless in 2006. Nortel's Rev. A technology is expected to be commercially available in 2006. Nortel supplies EV-DO equipment to 12 of the 21 operators across the globe currently offering commercial EV-DO service, including Verizon Wireless in the United States, VIVO in Brazil, Pelephone in Israel and Telstra in Australia. Nortel also provided EV-DO equipment to Eurotel for the first commercial 450 MHz EV-DO service in Eastern Europe. With its CDMA equipment designed to support 1xEV-DO through modular upgrades to existing hardware, Nortel re-uses existing base station equipment to help operators reduce or eliminate the need for costly hardware replacements.

MMD is a standard architecture designed by the 3rd Generation Partnership Project2 (3GPP2) to enable convergence of data, voice, messaging and multimedia technology over an IP-based common core network based on SIP. MMD will enable operators to cost-effectively deliver VoIP and multimedia services across mobile, wireline and converged networks.

Nortel is an industry innovator and at the forefront of all broadband access technologies, including wide area cellular, wireline and wireless LAN. Nortel has designed, installed and launched more than 300 wireless networks in over 70 countries. Nortel was the industry's first supplier with wireless networks operating in all advanced radio technologies (GSM/GPRS/EDGE, CDMA2000 1X and 1xEV-DO, UMTS and WLAN), and is the only end-to-end provider of all next generation wireless solutions, as well as edge and core network solutions for IP, ATM and optical transport.

http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/552/64/

Read here about carrier grade VOIP on CDMA.
http://www.cdg.org/news/events/CDMAS...one-Lucent.pdf

Surur

[hindjew]

Originally Posted by saumaun

I'd say that's a very valid argument. Do you have any marketing experience?

It makes sense why they'd release the Touch Pro first...

Yeah just a little But in all seriousness, i really hope the Instinct and Touch phones help Sprint. Since they bought Nextel they've been struggling financially. So i really hope these units help us Sprint users out! (where else would you get such a kicka** deal on service without working for the carrier?)

[pg2k3]

Originally Posted by Tiberius85

even if it had a forward facing video camera, i doubt it would even work on Sprint's network. I think there is an underlying server layer or something it uses for video calling.

Not to mention video calls are expensive. 10 Bucks for only an 60 minutes of video talk? Prices could have changed by now but it was that expensive that last time I checked ATT's Pricing.

[bedoig]

Originally Posted by Surur

http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/552/64/

Read here about carrier grade VOIP on CDMA.
http://www.cdg.org/news/events/CDMASeminar/050208_VoIP_Summit/9-Mike%20Recchione-Lucent.pdf

Surur

That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

[hindjew]

Originally Posted by bedoig

That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

it's not like video calls will be standard. Most businesses will prefer standard voice calls. Plus with low bandwidth availability i'm sure it'll be pixelated and pretty crappy voice. BUT, it's a start! Think of it as a perk, sure it's crap, but it's something! Remember the good ole days w/those huge cell phones in the early 90s? Sure they were huge, low battery life, the signal was shot, and you were yelling on both ends, BUT it worked and gave you something. Not the best, but something.

That's what I feel about implementing video calls. As long as people understand it isn't streaming video that you get on webcams, i think it'll be a hit! Sprint and Verizon can really put a dent in AT&Ts iphone stronghold by adding these sort of features.

Ok enough of my 2 cents

[evilecho]

Originally Posted by bedoig

That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

agreed

[ksemt7781]

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Sorry I have been a bit quiet on the forums the past day, after MY photo ended up being stolen and branded by phonearena then ending up on engadget, Ive had to lay low for a bit at work. But I promise that I will get you some high res photos and video soon. To answer one question I saw come up in the forums, The back of the diamond is burgandy and ruberized like the palm 755 was. I too am sad to see we did not keep with the diamond backing. And from the bits ive been seeing about the touch pro it will be the same way.

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[Surur]

Originally Posted by bedoig

That's exactly my point. VOIP is of course possible, but I doubt any carrier will choose to implement it while they have all their existing 1x voice infrastructure in place (edit: at least until bandwidth is more abundant on 4G networks, that is). Simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data is not currently possible, regardless of some kind of "carrier implementation". I've never seen any evidence to the contrary.

Yep, it needs to be implemented, but going to a VOIP network would actually increase network capacity, and of course allow services such a video calling.

If video calls could be made in 2002 in UK on 384kb/sec UMTS connections, it would work fine on 2 MB/sec EVDO networks.

[chicubs3794]

Originally Posted by ksemt7781

<hiding out>
Sorry I have been a bit quiet on the forums the past day, after MY photo ended up being stolen and branded by phonearena then ending up on engadget, Ive had to lay low for a bit at work. But I promise that I will get you some high res photos and video soon. To answer one question I saw come up in the forums, The back of the diamond is burgandy and ruberized like the palm 755 was. I too am sad to see we did not keep with the diamond backing. And from the bits ive been seeing about the touch pro it will be the same way.

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so its just a FLAT backing?
like if we go buy a gsm diamond backing from ebay....will it fit?