Touch Pro Video output format?

[badchad]

Won't the Diamond have similar output?

I have a diamond coming in the mail, and I may open it up and look.

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by badchad

Won't the Diamond have similar output?

I have a diamond coming in the mail, and I may open it up and look.

Nope, that's one of the functions that separates the Diamond from the Pro.

[bedoig]

The HTC website says this:

"Built-in Wi-Fi and TV-out functionality* mean you can hook up to the local wireless hot spot to surf, then deliver the perfect PowerPoint® presentation without a laptop in sight."

To me that implies some kind of digital output (dvi/vga). I suppose most projectors have analog inputs as well though, so who knows. Unfortunately, composite seems like the most likely choice by far.

[Perasite]

If I had to guess before, I would have said HDMI, but after reading your posts, I could see it being composite. I can still hope for HDMI, though.

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by bedoig

The HTC website says this:

"Built-in Wi-Fi and TV-out functionality* mean you can hook up to the local wireless hot spot to surf, then deliver the perfect PowerPoint® presentation without a laptop in sight."

To me that implies some kind of digital output (dvi/vga). I suppose most projectors have analog inputs as well though, so who knows. Unfortunately, composite seems like the most likely choice by far.

VGA is analog, not digital. It specifically says TV-out, so why does that make you think digital? The vast majority of TVs still have no digital inputs, and since they phone can only do 640x480, lowest common denominator makes the most sense. And yeah, every projector I've ever seen has VGA, so they all do some form of analog. But since they specifically don't mention projectors, that may be a sign that they're not comfortable suggesting it'll work with all projectors. Composite, though, will work with every TV but the oldest.

[bedoig]

Originally Posted by TurboFool

VGA is analog, not digital. It specifically says TV-out, so why does that make you think digital? The vast majority of TVs still have no digital inputs, and since they phone can only do 640x480, lowest common denominator makes the most sense. And yeah, every projector I've ever seen has VGA, so they all do some form of analog. But since they specifically don't mention projectors, that may be a sign that they're not comfortable suggesting it'll work with all projectors. Composite, though, will work with every TV but the oldest.

That's true, don't know why I was thinking VGA was digital. Oops.

Why do you think the native resolution of the phone would be the cap for output as well though? I don't see any reason it would need to be.

I agree composite makes the most sense though. Since it says TV-out, you're right that it would have to be an NTSC/PAL signal. The bit about the PPT presentations just had me thinking in terms of a computer signal. I'd still like to see DVI, but its not likely I guess.

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by bedoig

Why do you think the native resolution of the phone would be the cap for output as well though? I don't see any reason it would need to be.

To be fair, it is an assumption, but I think an educated one. No other mobile device that I'm aware of (Creative Zen Vision: M, iPod, iPhone, Zune, Dell Axim X51v, etc.) outputs more than 640x480. Add to that how big a deal it was to get this device to that level, and how much extra work it takes for it to process four times the resolution of the more common devices, and I just think it's extremely unlikely that it'll output more than that. Also, I'm not sure WM6.1 supports higher resolutions than 640x480, although I may be wrong about that. Just all-in-all, I see nothing to remotely suggest it'll be capable of more than that. Would I like it to be? Of course. I just think it's a pipe dream.

[holo]

To dispell some rumors, VGA in this context is referring to the resolution (640x480), and has nothing to do with it being digital/analog. Plenty of digital displays/outputs boast 'vga' resolution. Also, 1024x768 is NOT VGA , this is XGA. As for the output, hdmi is certainly not to be expected. The pins required for this definitely exceed the number of available pins on the port on the bottom of the phone (which htc has already said will be where the output comes from). On top of this, do you really expect HDMI output on a cell phone when many pieces of A/V equiptment still do not include this output? To top it all off the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV is reported to use composite output and is considered the first model/variant of this phone.

[Bigcountryed]

I think that since HTC is using the USBext port for everything, the video out will be in the form of an adapter in the USB port. I read in another review that the likelihood of being able to use that adapter in the Diamond is going to be useless, because even though they're technically the same, it may be some "secret" code embedded in the Touch Pro. (which also theoretically means that too can be reversed by the dev community)

Since video out is considered to be something relatively new within the mobile phone technology, it most likely will be USB to RCA (yellow) or S-Video. Just because, its by far, the most cheapest and economical option for the company. Think about it, there intentions are for you to be able to use it as a entertainment convince, not to be your main source of media. Situations include, being late for a presentation and instead of waiting for the laptop to power up, you just plug in the phone and can still essentially accomplish the same thing. I'm sure, they want you to use it alot, but not rip your DVDs and put them on your card and expect to play it back in HD or close to HD resolution. (essentially talking the role of a portable DVR)

Remember that HTC is a corporation, and like every business, they're in it for one thing, to make money, if they put in either component, VGA, DVI or any other high-bandwidth interface as an output I/O, what are they going to do next? That would kinda be the pinnacle for output I/O and this is like I stated earlier, a relativity new concept for mobile devices.

I hate to even use this as an example but take APPLE iPhone3G, they know what there doing, they didn't put video calling (among 3G, and other things) in the 1st gen iPhone, so people were VERY anxious about that feature in the next model. Once the actual specs came out in the keynote and it was confirmed that the 3G iPhone wouldn't contain a front facing video camera, some people were upset but its something to hold them out till they get the exact model they want, with all the RIGHT features for them. Apple, along with every other phone manufacture, plays the classic game of "not laying all your cards out on the table" Otherwise we'll be able to customize every aspect of a phone, just like we can do to a laptop or desktop. (ex, adding more ram, rom, optional SD card slot, and so on). Making it a truly personal phone, then you wouldn't need another one for a VERY long time.

WHEWWW!!!!! Sorry for the long post........ just trying to get my thoughts out of my head and onto my fingers.........hehe

[holo]

FYI: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a...t=news&id=5455

shows composite output with audio cables