Camera Settings

[santod]

"Well, I meant at the same resolution, since they both are 3.2MP cameras."

That's kinda my whole point" They are the same resolution, spread out over more space(pixels)on the TP2. If they were not spread out more, they would look the same.

[bast525]

I routinely take pictures that I have snapped with my phone and move them over to my laptop (17" monitor) for viewing, fixing, and for sending to various family members/friends.

So no, my perception that the TP1 took better pictures than the TP2 is not simply because they are larger on the TP2 screen making them easier to see the flaws. This is comparing them on equal ground, and is both my opinion, and my wife's who instantly commented on how grainy and faded some outdoor shots were with the TP2, and how nice some comparative shots were from the TP1. On the same display.

The darker colors look washed out and show a very high level of digital noise or graininess, and the whites are overblown.

[linzgeneral]

Originally Posted by bast525

I routinely take pictures that I have snapped with my phone and move them over to my laptop (17" monitor) for viewing, fixing, and for sending to various family members/friends.

So no, my perception that the TP1 took better pictures than the TP2 is not simply because they are larger on the TP2 screen making them easier to see the flaws. This is comparing them on equal ground, and is both my opinion, and my wife's who instantly commented on how grainy and faded some outdoor shots were with the TP2, and how nice some comparative shots were from the TP1. On the same display.

The darker colors look washed out and show a very high level of digital noise or graininess, and the whites are overblown.

I totally agree, it is natuaral to expect a difference when viewing them on their respective screens but it is obvious when shown on a monitor that the TP2 pics are far inferiror. Very white washed out and a rediculous amount of noise/grainyness. I used to have a hard time convincing people that my Diamond pics was taken with the phone since they were so sharp and impressive. I wont even bother to show anyone now due to embarassment. I hope that some sort of hack or software come along since in reality it supposed to be the same camera.

[santod]

I guess nobody reading this understands what I am trying to explain, therefor I will give a little more input and then just accept that I see it different then some others do.

Just transferring the image to the PC does not effectively scale the photos the same, or at all for that matter.

Just imagine that the cameras are both accepting in the same image. After the image has been retrieved, it is then processed for the devices standard output. Which is wide-screen. So it takes in the same amount of raw data as the TP1, but has to spread it over a larger surface to be full screen our TP2. So being that it is the same camera, with the same size cmos sensor, it essentially has to lower the output resolution to fill the wider screen with the same amount of data. Resulting in a 2048 x 1216 resolution output for the image. Rather then the 2048 x 1536 resolution that the TP1 would output.

TP1 = smaller image with higher resolution essentially= 3.15 Megapixel image output
TP2 = larger image with a lower resolution essentially= 2.49 Megapixel image output

That's it, my last 2 cents worth, unless someone is interested in any actual technical explanations of what I'm saying. Makes perfect sense to me, but who knows, I may be a little different!!

[animez]

Originally Posted by santod

I guess nobody reading this understands what I am trying to explain, therefor I will give a little more input and then just accept that I see it different then some others do.

Just transferring the image to the PC does not effectively scale the photos the same, or at all for that matter.

Just imagine that the cameras are both accepting in the same image. After the image has been retrieved, it is then processed for the devices standard output. Which is wide-screen. So it takes in the same amount of raw data as the TP1, but has to spread it over a larger surface to be full screen our TP2. So being that it is the same camera, with the same size cmos sensor, it essentially has to lower the output resolution to fill the wider screen with the same amount of data. Resulting in a 2048 x 1216 resolution output for the image. Rather then the 2048 x 1536 resolution that the TP1 would output.

TP1 = smaller image with higher resolution essentially= 3.15 Megapixel image output
TP2 = larger image with a lower resolution essentially= 2.49 Megapixel image output

That's it, my last 2 cents worth, unless someone is interested in any actual technical explanations of what I'm saying. Makes perfect sense to me, but who knows, I may be a little different!!

First, you can simply turn off widescreen in the camera settings to take pics at 2048x1536.

Second, the difference is resolution is not a reflection of overall quality. If the settings are the same the pixel density is the same regardless of resolution.

Third, even though most don't explicitly state it, I think people are viewing the pics on their computers when they are seeing differences in quality. Besides, I'd say most have at least some pics they took on their TP1 on the memory card they are using with their TP2, so I'd say they have seen pics that were taken on their TP1 on the TP2 screen. If there is truly a difference that may be exactly why they are seeing it.

That being said IMO the pic quality between the two phones is pretty much the same. Neither is very good, but occasionally the stars align and you get a great pic.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by animez

the pic quality between the two phones is pretty much the same. Neither is very good, but occasionally the stars align and you get a great pic.

exactly & it has nothing to do with how many megapixels the sensor is.

These tiny little sensors have everything going against them when you are trying to take a quality pic. Making the resolution higher is noting but a gimmick/selling feature really (like the imagio & its five megapixels)

I have a pic of my daughter hanging on the wall in my family room that is enlarged to 24" x 36", mounted & framed. The quality is absolutely STUNNING (everyone who sees it is blown away by the quality). It is a creamy smooth picture with absolutey zero digital noise etc.

The funny thing is, it was taken with a three magapixel camera. It obviously wasn't taken with a three megapixel camera phone however. I do IT work, but part of my job also involves photography & I use pro quality equipment. I also have a portrait studio at my house as a side business.

The three megapixel camera that took that pic was a pro quality digital SLR (Canon D30). It was taken about eight years ago. I don't remember how much the camera was worth at the time (I don't have it anymore), but the lens alone was $1500.00

The sensor in that three megapixel camera was HUGE compared to a camera phone even though they call them both three megapixel. The sensor in the TP's is smaller than a pencil eraser (A LOT smaller) & the sensor in that old pro camera looked like a large postage stamp.

~John

[linzgeneral]

Originally Posted by animez

First, you can simply turn off widescreen in the camera settings to take pics at 2048x1536.

Second, the difference is resolution is not a reflection of overall quality. If the settings are the same the pixel density is the same regardless of resolution.

Third, even though most don't explicitly state it, I think people are viewing the pics on their computers when they are seeing differences in quality. Besides, I'd say most have at least some pics they took on their TP1 on the memory card they are using with their TP2, so I'd say they have seen pics that were taken on their TP1 on the TP2 screen. If there is truly a difference that may be exactly why they are seeing it.

That being said IMO the pic quality between the two phones is pretty much the same. Neither is very good, but occasionally the stars align and you get a great pic.

You hit the nail right on the head, I personally do have pics taken with my Diamond on a memory card and the difference i astonishing. I look at a Diamond pic, colors are sharp, accurate, with absolutely no noise. Pics taken with the TP2 are white and grainy. When I first took pics with the TP2, I figured that it was the bigger screen and once transferred to monitor it would look better. Just the opposite as it looks even worse. The Diamond pics actually look even better on a monitor. Based on my simple analysis, its no secret that I am no camera/photography expert but I know my eyes dont lie and the differnce is see is depressing.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by linzgeneral

I know my eyes dont lie and the difference is see is depressing.

I'll tell you what's REALLY DEPRESSING.

My wife has an old Samsung flip-phone. It is a fantastic little thing if you just want a basic cell phone with no frills. It is tiny & the call quality is fantastic & it has your basic 1.3 megapixel phone/camera also.

I swear that camera takes pics that are 99% as good as any TP & it's so simple to use it's ridiculous..(it has a dedicated hardware button that turns on the camera & then you hit enter & you have an image right then, no waiting-end of story) You don't have to duct tape your kids to the floor for 30 seconds so they don't move while you wait for the thing to auto-focus like the TP's. The pics are almost always well exposed (as long as you're not in a dimly lit room where any camera phone struggles) & for basic snapshots it works perfectly.

My Wife snaps great little basic pics with that phone all the time & if I handed her my TP2 I doubt she would ever even bother to use the camera as she would almost NEVER get a decent pic with it.

Personally, I could care less about the TP2 camera quality as I never use it anyway unless it's an absolute last resort & then I don't care about quality. You really would think the TP2's image quality should at least EQUAL that of the original TP's but that apparently is not the case according to whats been posted here however....

~John

[lefty11]

Originally Posted by linzgeneral

You hit the nail right on the head, I personally do have pics taken with my Diamond on a memory card and the difference i astonishing. I look at a Diamond pic, colors are sharp, accurate, with absolutely no noise. Pics taken with the TP2 are white and grainy. When I first took pics with the TP2, I figured that it was the bigger screen and once transferred to monitor it would look better. Just the opposite as it looks even worse. The Diamond pics actually look even better on a monitor. Based on my simple analysis, its no secret that I am no camera/photography expert but I know my eyes dont lie and the differnce is see is depressing.

Many of us here who have noticed the differences via pc, old pics from memory card to new ones , converted picture size to match, comparing same settings , resolutions , eveything......there still seems to be differences or this thread would have closed by now probably. I have noticed a commonality and was one of my complaints that I do not see addressed by resolution size , or any explanation yet. The white wash out, there's a difference partially with whiteness it appears from different posts. I seem to notice a bad effect near the top 1 /3rd of the image with whiteness being more noticeable in this area. I have seen it on my pics and jimmiekaine;s posted and am sure others have too . To me it's definitely pronounced in brighter light pics. Obviously the low light pics suck to the max without a flash of some type.It gives me hope that there could be a fix with settings that are not available yet or maybe sophisticated enough. Either way you dice it up , the eye doesnt lie, and the pics just aren't quite as good on the TP2 with the current configuration , be it hardware, or software.

[deadwrong03]

is there anyway to go back to the default settings in the camera? if not what were the default settings?

im still kinda of not satisfied with the camera i've tinkered around with some of the settings posted here and they either look too dull or too dark on the phone im going to put them on my computer to see how they look

EDIT: Just loaded them on my computer...heres my take....

If you havn't adjusted anything, I would suggest a few things. Try setting image quality to super fine. Sharpness set to +5, contrast set to +4. See if that looks more like what you are after. Also in the white balance, try the setting that looks like headlights or a flash bulb going off.

These settings looked absolutely awful when i loaded them to my computer very grainy

Originally Posted by trids

I just upgraded from a TyTN2/Kaiser to my new TP2, and I must say that i was at first bitterly disappointed with the image quality.

But after changing the settings from the defaults, I am now very pleased indeed! My settings now are:

• Max Resolution (3M=2048x1216)
• Touch Focus = On
• Quality = Super Fine
• Contrast = +3
• Saturation = +3
• Sharpness = +1
• Metering Mode = Center Area
• Flicker Adjustment = Auto

I noticed that my camera version is older than yours, jimmiekain. So in the interests of clarity: the Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness settings available on mine go from +1 (minimum) to +5 (maximum).

I found that with higher Sharpness settings, the image is smothered with little crosses when you view at 100% zoom .. but dropping the Sharpness way down takes them away and leaves the option open for subsequent Sharpness tweaking of the images taken.

these settings looked ok but they were very dull