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cornelious2 09-27-2009 01:09 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
my personal opinion is that the slick is caused from overheating. the screens on these phones are comprised of multiple layers of plastic (and I believe theres a layer of glass somewhere in there too) During this manufacturing there is a tiny am mount of gas from either the air or chemicals used to treat the plastic that gets caught between these layers, when the phone heats up the tiny amount of gas expands causing the layers to separate a bit.

*edit*

saw your post exiled I wanted to add that this DOES spread slowly. mine started as a small spot and now it takes over about 1/4 to 1/3 of the screen.

Exil3d 09-27-2009 01:14 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelious2 (Post 1196530)
my personal opinion is that the slick is caused from overheating. the screens on these phones are comprised of multiple layers of plastic (and I believe theres a layer of glass somewhere in there too) During this manufacturing there is a tiny am mount of gas from either the air or chemicals used to treat the plastic that gets caught between these layers, when the phone heats up the tiny amount of gas expands causing the layers to separate a bit.

*edit*

saw your post exiled I wanted to add that this DOES spread slowly. mine started as a small spot and now it takes over about 1/4 to 1/3 of the screen.

Yes.. you are right. I remember my Pro1 suddenly appeared out of nowhere. I never sat on it and left it in the sun. It just popped out.

themuffinman 09-27-2009 01:15 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1196516)
@themuffinman,
yeah that is pretty weird. i don't understand what this oil stuff is... like how does it even happen? if this is a display issue, i would think there would be logical explanations for them or comparisons to other devices that have the same problem. maybe i missed it, i dunno...

one more thing... did u have one of those screen protectors on them that use the spray solution to apply (zagg bodyguards or ghost armor)?

It funny you asked, I never used any screen protectors with the tp1(I do have one on my diamond though). For some odd reason the screen felt funny to me using a screen protector so after the first tp1 I had I stop using it after a couple of weeks.

themuffinman 09-27-2009 01:17 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1196539)
Yes.. you are right. I remember my Pro1 suddenly appeared out of nowhere. I never sat on it and left it in the sun. It just popped out.

All of mine popped out of no where too, it was not gradual process at all.

cornelious2 09-27-2009 01:18 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
yea in my opinion minor scratches look better than the screen protectors, its like putting plastic on the couch.

cornelious2 09-27-2009 01:21 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
yea mine popped out of nowhere too but it is growing slowly over the months...

Dragon2 09-27-2009 05:06 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
so 1 guy possibly has a oil effect or whatever and now htc has done a poor job? LMAOooo, wow.

rdd0512 09-27-2009 06:00 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
wow hope this dont happen to mine, had 3 tp1's and they all had it.

and on a side note, all you guys who sit there and go back and forth with exiled every time he posts is not helping you out at all. "never argue with an idiot because people from afar can't tell the difference". if you don't like what he has to say just add him to your ignore list and then you wont have to read his posts.

but he is right on this one the screens seem to be cheaply made, not the ideal place to cut costs if you ask me.

Dragon2 09-27-2009 07:38 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rdd0512 (Post 1196730)
wow hope this dont happen to mine, had 3 tp1's and they all had it.

and on a side note, all you guys who sit there and go back and forth with exiled every time he posts is not helping you out at all. "never argue with an idiot because people from afar can't tell the difference". if you don't like what he has to say just add him to your ignore list and then you wont have to read his posts.

but he is right on this one the screens seem to be cheaply made, not the ideal place to cut costs if you ask me.

the display is better than the tp1 IMO....... And 1 possible oil screen and stuck pixels that most people only see in a dark room with their brightness turned up staring at a black screen, IS CHEAP??????

MAN, some people can complain about anything........ The display/screen is beautiful, no offense to your statement but that was just Exil3d.....(exil3d= retarded statement........

Exil3d 09-27-2009 10:51 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Well, some of you guys fail to see the objective of my criticism. I dont do it out of pleasure but rather as informative statements. We all must remember if we let quality control slip and give HTC a pass on every level then we will truly be cursed with badly build devices with sub par quality parts. Althou alot of ppl here hate to hear this but HTC has to surpass the iphone on all front. Not to make a sale but to rather help us snob the i-sheeps.

popularbelief420 09-27-2009 10:56 AM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
got it the 3rd month with my Diamond. Never bothered performance. More of an aesthetic flaw.

prfktgntlmn 09-27-2009 12:28 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
I've had 2 vogues, 2 touch pros before and never had an "oil slick" but did have burn spots on the vogues.

allwires 09-27-2009 02:22 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Sorry I haven't been posting more often in this thread, so here are some answers. The oil slick moves when you apply pressure on parts of the screen close to it.

It doesn't look like the oil slick on the TP that someone posted. That one seemed random but min is like concentric circles. You can distinctly see rings, not blobs. It was hard to take a picture of what it really looks like but it looks more like concentric circles than blobs.

orlandojumpoff 09-27-2009 02:26 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1196958)
Well, some of you guys fail to see the objective of my criticism. I dont do it out of pleasure but rather as informative statements. We all must remember if we let quality control slip and give HTC a pass on every level then we will truly be cursed with badly build devices with sub par quality parts. Althou alot of ppl here hate to hear this but HTC has to surpass the iphone on all front. Not to make a sale but to rather help us snob the i-sheeps.

you have to be joking. there have been problems with every htc device... you think you're going to change that? new tech brings new flaws. like i said before, can't wait for u to complain about tegra and capacitive screens. by the way you've been acting, the touch pro should be your last phone (even tho that device has many more flaws than the tp2). you said you won't give htc another dime until they fix issues. not gonna happen! so go back to dumbphones haha.

it's fine to inform people, but it's starting to become annoying even to people who found it tolerable at first... some things are worth pointing out, some are better left alone. act like you've owned expensive products before please. these aren't dumb phones that can be made by 5 year olds and still work flawlessly. they're highly complex devices with many intricate parts, so anything could go wrong - just as it does with most expensive products. everyone i know who has an xbox 360 got the ring of death, ps3s are starting to have major issues, psp has an actual pixel problem (not the invisible one on the tp2), computer lcd monitors have stuck pixels, tvs get rainbow screens, car dvd players stop working, zune hds are glitching...

while we enjoy our huge displays with great keyboards, you're busy trying to convince yourself not to upgrade. honestly, why do you spend so much time on the tp2 forum if you don't plan on buying it? enough.is.enough.

vzwdts 09-27-2009 03:13 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the TP2 began having this problem. HTC must source the cheapest LCD panels they can.

I've had this problem on my Sprint vogue and THREE VZW TP1's. I don't abuse my phone. I've had a smartphone since the Treo 600 days so I know how to treat my equipment. Oh well, this is what the warranty is for.

eldersoul 09-27-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1196958)
Well, some of you guys fail to see the objective of my criticism. I dont do it out of pleasure but rather as informative statements. We all must remember if we let quality control slip and give HTC a pass on every level then we will truly be cursed with badly build devices with sub par quality parts. Althou alot of ppl here hate to hear this but HTC has to surpass the iphone on all front. Not to make a sale but to rather help us snob the i-sheeps.

Pathetic and reported.

samadam 09-27-2009 04:28 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Everyone please, you are driving an EE crazy.

The effect is called "Thin-film interference."

It happens when there is a thin layer of material surrounded by other layers with different indexes of refraction.

Oil slicks do it because there is a thin layer of oil surrounded by water and air, all with different indexes of refraction.
This can happen in an LCD screen, especially a touch one, when the screen layers become slightly separated, or pressed together. This is a flaw, but there is no oil or liquid in there, to be clear. Maybe a slight adhesion issue that can be solved by even pressure, maybe with a warm, slightly damp rag to reseal them together.

Also, no company sources the cheapest anything they can find. They source the best one they can find for the money they want to spend. They keep source company histories, keep track of any issues with incoming parts, and review quality from each company daily, with big ones before each new project. It's a huge amount of effort (I have worked in quality engineering before). Don't rag on HTC because a bad few slipped through. See what you can do about getting a replacement maybe, but it's a pretty well acclaimed screen.

cornelious2 09-27-2009 04:59 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by samadam (Post 1197481)
Everyone please, you are driving an EE crazy.

The effect is called "Thin-film interference."

It happens when there is a thin layer of material surrounded by other layers with different indexes of refraction.

Oil slicks do it because there is a thin layer of oil surrounded by water and air, all with different indexes of refraction.
This can happen in an LCD screen, especially a touch one, when the screen layers become slightly separated, or pressed together. This is a flaw, but there is no oil or liquid in there, to be clear. Maybe a slight adhesion issue that can be solved by even pressure, maybe with a warm, slightly damp rag to reseal them together.

Also, no company sources the cheapest anything they can find. They source the best one they can find for the money they want to spend. They keep source company histories, keep track of any issues with incoming parts, and review quality from each company daily, with big ones before each new project. It's a huge amount of effort (I have worked in quality engineering before). Don't rag on HTC because a bad few slipped through. See what you can do about getting a replacement maybe, but it's a pretty well acclaimed screen.

im pretty sure thats what I said lol

jmorton10 09-27-2009 05:28 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1196526)
I wont get any worst but its rather annoying under florescent lights.

How do you know??

Did you actually buy a TP2 or are you still posting all your BS 2nd/3rd hand??????

Can you post a pic of your TP2 with the annoying screen??

~John

eldersoul 09-27-2009 05:52 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1197574)
How do you know??

Did you actually buy a TP2 or are you still posting all your BS 2nd/3rd hand??????

Can you post a pic of your TP2 with the annoying screen??

~John

He doesnt, he didnt, and he is. Report all of his vile with the red exclamation point at the top right of each post.

WhiteBlazer01 09-27-2009 06:11 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1197281)
you have to be joking. there have been problems with every htc device... you think you're going to change that? new tech brings new flaws. like i said before, can't wait for u to complain about tegra and capacitive screens. by the way you've been acting, the touch pro should be your last phone (even tho that device has many more flaws than the tp2). you said you won't give htc another dime until they fix issues. not gonna happen! so go back to dumbphones haha.

it's fine to inform people, but it's starting to become annoying even to people who found it tolerable at first... some things are worth pointing out, some are better left alone. act like you've owned expensive products before please. these aren't dumb phones that can be made by 5 year olds and still work flawlessly. they're highly complex devices with many intricate parts, so anything could go wrong - just as it does with most expensive products. everyone i know who has an xbox 360 got the ring of death, ps3s are starting to have major issues, psp has an actual pixel problem (not the invisible one on the tp2), computer lcd monitors have stuck pixels, tvs get rainbow screens, car dvd players stop working, zune hds are glitching...

while we enjoy our huge displays with great keyboards, you're busy trying to convince yourself not to upgrade. honestly, why do you spend so much time on the tp2 forum if you don't plan on buying it? enough.is.enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldersoul (Post 1197469)
Pathetic and reported.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1197574)
How do you know??

Did you actually buy a TP2 or are you still posting all your BS 2nd/3rd hand??????

Can you post a pic of your TP2 with the annoying screen??

~John

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldersoul (Post 1197628)
He doesnt, he didnt, and he is. Report all of his vile with the red exclamation point at the top right of each post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1196487)
Amen! U see... I might sound like that cr4azy old man down the strreet, matter of fact even the scam niggerian homeless guy is pisst off aT ME. BUT... i DO HAVE VALID POINTS ON htc QUALITY CONTROL OR RATHER SAY QUALITY PURCHASING LCD DECISIONS. htc SUKS ROYAL GREASY OILY STUCK DEAD PIXELS PERIOD. Thats why i refuse to give em 1 more penny. I rather give the homeless guy a penny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy8813 (Post 1196517)
WTF do you mean by this? i am NIGERIAN! should i take offense to the way you misspelled it too? watch yourself man!


You guys are definitely not the only one annoyed to hell with this kid trashing around the forums. And what happened to the comment about the "Niggerian homeless guy"? Learn how to spell, and not offend honest, hard working Nigerians. I'm gladly reporting all his useless complaints on this board. He doesn't have a TP2, yet he's in every topic regarding a problem about the TP2? Get off the forum!

To the original poster - Sorry to hear about your screen problem, that's too bad. I haven't experienced this with my TP, but really, the only solution is to exchange it under warranty. Such a company (HTC), makes such great, advanced phones, many, many features, in a small compact stylish design, a few small things go wrong with it (yes, these issues are small relative to what could happen, or what is involved in making these phones), and they stand behind their product to give a full exchange warranty. Some companies provide repair only warranty. Want to be without your phone for a few weeks while they repair each problem that occurs? All I'm saying is be glad for the good things.

jmorton10 09-27-2009 06:13 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1197281)
while we enjoy our huge displays with great keyboards, you're busy trying to convince yourself not to upgrade. honestly, why do you spend so much time on the tp2 forum if you don't plan on buying it? enough.is.enough.

Well put, I agree 100%.

The really annoying things is, a brand new user here might conclude that the TP2 is a real POS reading all this guys negative posts.

I have owned a 6700, three xv6800's & four TP's & I can state 100% that this is the best phone I have ever used period. I use & help with tech support on all kinds of cell phones at work, so I use all kinds of different phones all the time. All these high end phones (we have iphones, BB's etc etc etc on our corporate account) have certain problems, none of them are perfect, but the TP2 is as close to perfect as anything out there at this time....

~John

8notime 09-27-2009 06:25 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by samadam (Post 1197481)
The effect is called "Thin-film interference."

It happens when there is a thin layer of material surrounded by other layers with different indexes of refraction.........

Thanks for explaining this. That makes a lot more sense.

ksg 09-27-2009 06:31 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
I had the oil slick issue on my Apache. It happens.

AFAIK, it doesn't affect usage (it is just really annoying to look at). :silent:

ksg 09-27-2009 06:33 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1197657)
The really annoying things is, a brand new user here might conclude that the TP2 is a real POS reading all this guys negative posts.

With any production run, there are going to be good batches and bad batches.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorton10 (Post 1197657)
but the TP2 is as close to perfect as anything out there at this time....

Perfect, eh? Where's the LED flashlight/camera light and D-Pad for one handed operation? Yep, thought so. :drunken:

8notime 09-27-2009 06:37 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1197694)
Perfect, eh? Where's the LED flashlight/camera light and D-Pad for one handed operation? Yep, thought so. :drunken:

Who cares? Neither one of those things added any value, and the D-Pad in particular was a piece of crap.

jmorton10 09-27-2009 07:00 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1197694)



Perfect, eh? Where's the LED flashlight/camera light and D-Pad for one handed operation? Yep, thought so. :drunken:

Huh??

Since when it a flashlight a requirement of a perfect PPC??

~John

jmorton10 09-27-2009 07:02 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Heck, I still miss all the hardware buttons of my old xv6800's (I loved the hardware scroll wheel) but that doesn't make the TP2 any less of an awesome phone........

~John

orlandojumpoff 09-27-2009 07:23 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ksg (Post 1197694)


Perfect, eh? Where's the LED flashlight/camera light and D-Pad for one handed operation? Yep, thought so. :drunken:

cheap shot! how's that tiny vga screen doing? i tried using my tp the other day and i felt like i needed reading glasses... ha jk.

i loved my tp, but i love the tp2 a lot more. the flashlight is nice and i do miss having the option, but i can count the number of times i've used it on my tp on both hands (over 10 months). half of those times was just me showing off to friends heh. the dpad is a different story. the tp1's dpad freakin sucks. the buttons are cheaply built and it's annoying having to click inbetween the other hardware buttons. Besides, u can add in dpad functions on the tp2:mrgreen:. the only thing i liked about the tp1s dpad was the light ring during charging. the capacitive hybrid crap is just a gimmick.

ksg 09-27-2009 07:51 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by orlandojumpoff (Post 1197839)
cheap shot! how's that tiny vga screen doing? i tried using my tp the other day and i felt like i needed reading glasses... ha jk.

i loved my tp, but i love the tp2 a lot more. the flashlight is nice and i do miss having the option, but i can count the number of times i've used it on my tp on both hands (over 10 months). half of those times was just me showing off to friends heh. the dpad is a different story. the tp1's dpad freakin sucks. the buttons are cheaply built and it's annoying having to click inbetween the other hardware buttons. Besides, u can add in dpad functions on the tp2:mrgreen:. the only thing i liked about the tp1s dpad was the light ring during charging. the capacitive hybrid crap is just a gimmick.

Cheap shot? Perhaps, but not untrue.

Not saying that the lack of those features are deal-breakers but sure do make them 'less than perfect.' An LED bulb is what, $0.02? If they were worried about the physical space of a full d-pad then a scroll wheel (like the Titan had) would have been sufficient.

"Perfect" -- to me, would be the addition of features and or streamlining of features NOT the absence of features.

Maybe I just have a higher bar of perfection than you... [-X

Exil3d 09-27-2009 08:07 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Get back on track members. Op, if you have TEp then just walk in to the Sprint Store and have them swap it out. I think they still dont have any Pro2 on the shelves but as soon as they do, they will swap it out as long as your in thew 30 day window or use your TEP. Any anomalies in the LCD is covered by your TEP.

Exil3d 09-27-2009 08:10 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Remember, they will try to blame it on you and say you sat on the phone or left it in the sun. Be firm and tell them you baby the phone and never carry it in your back pocket. Then there should not be any issues in swapping it out.

Mayonesa 09-27-2009 08:11 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
when cleaning the screen dont press on it too much or rub the same are for too long... this happened on my TP and when i got it replaced i was more careful. didnt have the same problem again


heat and pressure is the screens worst enemy and it will cause this.

Exil3d 09-27-2009 08:13 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Honestly I think its the screen itself. Theres 2 types of screens for htc phones. Rigid solid feeling screens and the smushy type that fells soft to the tap. I noticed the smushy ones have the oily problems.

Mayonesa 09-27-2009 08:31 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
yeah it has something to do with the type of screens cause these type of screen are sensitive to heat and pressure...

dont know if it has happened to you but for those that use ketchup... have you ever gotten a bottle that the layers of plastic separate?

kinda the same thing with these screens... and heat and pressure will cause the layers to separate giving you that look

the Hero is glass so it wont happen with that phone.

Dragon2 09-27-2009 08:42 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
lmaoo, one oil problem and were all so worried now.lol untill it happens to more or becomes a problem, this is a pointless topic..... It was on our tp1s, not these tp2, yet anyways........ So forget about it if or untill it becomes a problem.......

Exil3d 09-27-2009 08:45 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragon2 (Post 1198104)
lmaoo, one oil problem and were all so worried now.lol untill it happens to more or becomes a problem, this is a pointless topic..... It was on our tp1s, not these tp2, yet anyways........ So forget about it if or untill it becomes a problem.......


How about you stay off the thread if you have nothing good to imput?

Dragon2 09-27-2009 08:57 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1198113)
How about you stay off the thread if you have nothing good to imput?

are you for real??????

dude, take ya own advice and scram........ You dont even own a tp2........ I wish the mods delete you azs, your a parasite making people feel bad about getting the tp2....

edit: i apologize, but man this is a great phone... I only agree about the bad pixels as a grip, even though i cant ever see it even barely looking hard on the camera screen.... Now if this happens to alot then by all means go for it..... But please man, I could see reading problems and feeling biast towards the tp2 being as ya dont have one in hand.......... Its really a great phone.... That being said, bltch away, i will ignore.... Have a great tp2ish day........

eldersoul 09-27-2009 09:58 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exil3d (Post 1198113)
How about you stay off the thread if you have nothing good to imput?

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF TELLING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE GOOD INPUT YOU WORTHLESS TROLL! You have no problem spreading hate and the moment we show solidarity you tell everyone to "get back on track" and put on your sweet face for two posts. No one wants you here you pathetic loser, just like everyone else in your sad little world. Go DIAF, the world will be a better place for it.

orlandojumpoff 09-27-2009 10:04 PM

Re: Is this the "oil slick"?
 
he probably already has the tp2, look at his signature... it would explain why he's on this forum every day.


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