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bobbyblack 06-27-2010 12:01 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Okay Okay... I'm not saying Droid is bad or that windows is better, I know with-in time I'll getting an Droid phone. But I need something thats really going to KNOCK my socks off ( in amazement ) and the Droids that are out now isn't that much different for me to go to Sprint and spent 312.00 Bucks on the EVO. I'm a Flash junky and there just not enough development for me ( MY OPINION ) Plus I love my keyboard and I havn't seen and Droid that beats the PRO 2 keyboard. Maybe in the future HTC will come out with an TP3 that's an Droid and maybe the development will be a lot better.

P.S.
Also there are a lot of good points a lot of people said in these post and it all boil down to being YOUR ON PERSONAL PERFERENCE.

redd214 06-27-2010 12:24 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyblack (Post 1840008)
I know with-in time I'll getting an Droid phone.

same way i felt, figured why procastinate might as well just do it now :D i too was a flashaholic but i kinda grew out of it i guess. i still flash my tp2 a lot but now its more of just experimenting. when the tp2 was my main squeeze i flashed to make it better because the starting point was so low, honestly i have no desire to flash my incredible, there really isnt a need to.

as far as your opinoin on the amount of development, are you basing that off what you see here on this site? i agree theres no where near the amount of android dev going on here as winmo but there are many android centric forums that are rocking just like this site. seems lately to me at least that this and perhaps xda are the only phone forums people visit. ive read a few post actually saying things like samsung and motorola android phones dont have a lot of development just because their specifc forums here are pretty dead. the original droid was/is the most popular android phone in the us, there is a LOT of stuff you can do with those and a lot of people hacking/tweaking/cooking for them.

htc does have a qwerty android phone floating around in the rumor pipeline but i doubt they would use the touch pro moniker for it. if they did bring back the touch pro name i would venture to say itd be a wp7 handset

boredandtattooed 06-27-2010 12:24 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyblack (Post 1833461)
1. So many ROMs to select from, some great and some good. theres roms for android too.. gotta remeber android is a baby, winmo is a grandparent and damn near retired..

2. Three Letters... *CHT* Need I say more? why would you need CHT on Android? with widgets you can put anything anywhere already, without the need to install a 3rd party software(CHT) to do so

3. The updates and constant changings. Android has had offical updates every several months since its birth.. its on its 3rd software update in less than 2 yrs hasnt it?? took MS almost 3yrs to offically go from 6.1 to 6.5..and 7 is rumored to be another 5.. winmo loses the update battle

4. Damn near every App. on Droid you can get on windows. maybe so, but like iPhone, Andorid is being chosen over winmo by corporations for offical apps.. ie-radio stations,pizza places,netflix,just a few

5. Maxsense, a growning U.I. that is the SHIZZ-NIT. Maxsense is an elaborate skin job.. plenty of people dont even use it, so this is just a preference by you, not actually something most of the Masses are using..

6. All the people that help, the community. like andorid has no support?? PPCG is a PPC site first, other OS' second.. theres millions of android sites and support

7. All the different CABS. and ZIPS; Themes (different colors) and customs. again, this is all existent for android

8. CHEF's: ERG, VINN, Mr.X (still using some of his app. in all the different ROM's I flash) and Mighty. all great chefs, but make ROMs for certain handsets usually... if you browse around, youll find lots of chefs just as dedicated as the ones mentioned above-for other devices, including Android...

9. Then your SATODS and BignAdad (I call him BIGGS)

10. I think the TP2 (HD2) has more fans. of course theres more fans, winmo has like 10years of production over android.. winmo despite having a license fee(android is free), winmo offers more free things and has little to no spam what-so-ever.. this is really your only statement i see eye-to-eye with you on

So on that note; I'll wait to get a DROID phone as long as they have the TOP TEN, MY TP2 IS A TEN, Till they come out with something that has all the above.:toothy7: - and you do realize a "DROID" phone, is a product line from VZW right?? "DROID" is not short for the Android Platform.. its a specific line of devices.. hence no other carriers Android devices being called "DROID"... theres lots of Android options aside from "DROIDS"- dont limit yourself

Please tell me what you think.

P.S. I'm still a noob... LMAO


theres my 2 cents

bobbyblack 06-27-2010 12:54 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed (Post 1840032)
theres my 2 cents

WOW!! That was more like a Quarter :-\"

tallblazer124 06-27-2010 03:55 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
I will not sit up here and list everything that makes me stick with a TP2, but I will let everyone know the main things for me. If you have sprint SERO SERO SERO SERO SERO

Keyboard- I haven't seen a high end Droid phone with a keyboard

The flexiability of Winmo will allow the phone to do just about anything.

Yes i know it wont get 4g or even take 720p videos, but hey I have a digital camera already and 3g moves pretty good for me.

Oditius 06-27-2010 04:00 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
I will list the reasons I am keeping my TP2

1) I just got it 6 months ago and still have 18 months on my contract

2) I don't have the money it would cost me to abandon the TP2 and buy the droid.

AB33 06-27-2010 07:33 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Having used the EVO for a week now, all I can say is, I am really liking what HTC and Android has done with this phone and if I had to choose between the 2 with no bias, I would take the EVO. I could be wrong but I think the Android Market has many apps that WinMo doesn't have like the Flixster app that let's me watch the movie trailers of the movies at the theater I want to go to, baby learning games for my kids, Trapster, 100% functional Pandora, etc. WinMo has Android beat on medical apps though. I don't like the fact that MS will make us pay for the same apps we used on 6.5 and under for WP7 and kill all ROM development. (not saying xda won't eventually crack the code, but it sounds like MS isn't playing). All that said I still love my TP2, hence the reason I am still over here and keeping my custom ROM signatures....LMBO

AB33 06-27-2010 07:38 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyblack (Post 1840008)
Okay Okay... I'm not saying Droid is bad or that windows is better, I know with-in time I'll getting an Droid phone. But I need something thats really going to KNOCK my socks off ( in amazement ) and the Droids that are out now isn't that much different for me to go to Sprint and spent 312.00 Bucks on the EVO. I'm a Flash junky and there just not enough development for me ( MY OPINION ) Plus I love my keyboard and I havn't seen and Droid that beats the PRO 2 keyboard. Maybe in the future HTC will come out with an TP3 that's an Droid and maybe the development will be a lot better.

P.S.
Also there are a lot of good points a lot of people said in these post and it all boil down to being YOUR ON PERSONAL PERFERENCE.

Good points, I only jumped when I realized I could sell my TP2 for the same price I got the EVO for and got a $70 credit from Sprint for renewing 2 year agreement on another line.

Bootup 06-27-2010 08:45 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
As a 'still' owner of both an Evo and a TP2 (i travel a lot overseas so the TP2 serves me well), I can only see the OP list has a some sort of last ditch effort to justify keeping the TP2 (which is a great WINMO phone..therein lies the problem...) over getting an Android. Only 3 reasons now I see to now that the TP2 has OVER any android phone: SERO, World capabilities, and the great keyboard. But, underneath it all, you're still attached to a dying OS that lags behind others in so many ways that no matter how many lists you want to produce from your heart.

More ROMS doesn't equal better. WINMO is so damn buggy, even today, that you need a lot of roms just to get most things to work right (and I speak from experience. I've tried damn near every ROM out there on my TP2). The one point about WINMO has a comparable app for damn near everyone in Android: No..not even close. And the few that they do share are done so poorly on Winmo.

I've been able to customize my EVO screens in ways I could only dream on TP2. No need nor care for CHT. Widgets sir..widgets...

I don't hate the TP2..never have never will...it was a reliable old car for me that did the job when I needed it to. But there are very few reasons to keep it over an android phone if you have the means to get one.

nrfitchett4 06-27-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muyoso (Post 1839190)
You have got to be joking. Handango is not a centralized app store. Find me Bing, Google maps, Tom Tom, Garmin, etc, etc, etc. They don't have it. They sell THEIR games and apps there, that is not a centralized app store and you look silly comparing that to the Android Market.

TellMe is not even remotely close. Tell me requires you to launch the TellMe app and has very limited functionality. Android has voice search in every aspect of the OS and throughout all programs. You again are making yourself look silly.

Skyfire is not a full flash implementation. Its server side rendering of flash. It does not function nearly as well as on Android and again is limited.

The hardware back button never fails, but what does it do when you are in Opera? Does it go back a page? Does it take you back into the OS? What does it do when you are in a menu? Its different every time you press it. In most programs it just kicks it back to the OS. That is not the same at all.

6.5.x does not make windows mobile fully finger friendly. Go into the settings and it instantly falls back to small non finger friendly lists and layouts.


That is the amazing response? Tell me and skyfire and Handango? These aren't even close to the same thing that android has, and makes me think you don't even know anything about Android. I WISH these things could compare, but I mean, they are not even close. People that have used both would be laughing out loud reading your post.

I'm running 6.5 on an HD2 and it is very finger friendly. I have no problems at all checking boxes or pressing anything.
And skyfire plays flash videos just fine and has been doing it for 2+years. Does it really matter how the flash gets to your phone or that it works?

nrfitchett4 06-27-2010 08:51 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AB33 (Post 1840458)
Having used the EVO for a week now, all I can say is, I am really liking what HTC and Android has done with this phone and if I had to choose between the 2 with no bias, I would take the EVO. I could be wrong but I think the Android Market has many apps that WinMo doesn't have like the Flixster app that let's me watch the movie trailers of the movies at the theater I want to go to, baby learning games for my kids, Trapster, 100% functional Pandora, etc. WinMo has Android beat on medical apps though. I don't like the fact that MS will make us pay for the same apps we used on 6.5 and under for WP7 and kill all ROM development. (not saying xda won't eventually crack the code, but it sounds like MS isn't playing). All that said I still love my TP2, hence the reason I am still over here and keeping my custom ROM signatures....LMBO

1. use youtube to see all movie trailers
2. get your kids an ipod touch so they aren't always stealing your phone (or try resco brain games):-P
3. Winmo has had fully functional pandora longer than android has been out. It needs a new skin job, but it is fully functional (just ugly).
I think the only valid reason for the EVO is the specs that double+ all the tp2 specs. That's why I decided to get an HD2 and give t-mobile a try.

AB33 06-28-2010 10:27 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 1840564)
1. use youtube to see all movie trailers
2. get your kids an ipod touch so they aren't always stealing your phone (or try resco brain games):-P
3. Winmo has had fully functional pandora longer than android has been out. It needs a new skin job, but it is fully functional (just ugly).
I think the only valid reason for the EVO is the specs that double+ all the tp2 specs. That's why I decided to get an HD2 and give t-mobile a try.

Thanks for the humor in the post...LOL
Does the HD2 do the sleep of death thing and does it lag like our TP2's?

I was using Zillow for the first time on the Evo and it can track your location as you move to pull up the prices of houses.

bobbyblack 06-30-2010 07:56 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AB33 (Post 1842902)
Thanks for the humor in the post...LOL
Does the HD2 do the sleep of death thing and does it lag like our TP2's?

I was using Zillow for the first time on the Evo and it can track your location as you move to pull up the prices of houses.

You shouldve Task 29, that's a lot cheaper than buying a new phone... LMFAO

redd214 06-30-2010 09:21 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
task29 cant make the phone faster or add more processing power. the benefits from task 29 are no where near the benefits had from getting abetter phone, not sure how those 2 things are evn related

bobbyblack 06-30-2010 09:33 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redd214 (Post 1846463)
task29 cant make the phone faster or add more processing power. the benefits from task 29 are no where near the benefits had from getting abetter phone, not sure how those 2 things are evn related

OOOOoooKKKkkkAAAaaaYYYYyyyyy........ =D>

hemanolio 07-17-2010 12:37 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
The friendly community is the best. People working together!

SporkLover 07-17-2010 01:21 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Interesting thread.

The thing I find fascinating is that most Evo Owners in this thread are previous or concurrent TP2 owners and will openly and easily admit that the TP2 is a fantastic WM phone. WM is a good and flexible platform. That being said, using a new mobile platform has allowed those Evo owners to recognize some of the short comings of windows mobile. Some of those have been addressed here. Not sure why those opinions are discounted. There maybe some third party apps that try to address those shortfalls, but it's difficult to argue that those are = or > than an OS where those features were built into the OS to ensure seamless integration.

Many of the counterpoints have been pretty valid, in terms of modification, flashing, etc, there isn't really anything that puts one OS ahead of another, other than probably Android is still a living breathing OS, where WM is on the Wane in favor of WP7. But the best feature of any Android phone that WM has yet to come close to, is an Open and centralized market. I know Microsoft has tried creating one, and there are others, but they really pale in comparison to the Android offerings or even the Apple App store offerings. Truly a great feature, and the fact it's an open ecosystem (as compared to Apple's), makes it that much better.

If Sprint had the HD2, and WM had a GOOD centralized market, then the Android jump would have been oh so much harder.

The other thing I like, and this is more personal preference than anything, is that out of the box I had to do some flashing to get my TP2 to where I liked it. The Evo, or even my Samsung moment, I just rooted it, and added widgets for everything else I desired. Customization made easy, no need to rely on a chef to cook it into a ROM for me (like so many of us had to do for the various versions of sense floating out there).

All in all the TP2 was a great experience for me, and still a phone I would recommend for someone looking for a Windows Mobile Phone. But personally WM is not a viable option for me anymore (preference driven), until I see what WP7 offers, and what type of support it gets from the App developer community.

WarChild 07-17-2010 10:54 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyblack (Post 1833461)
1. So many ROMs to select from, some great and some good.

2. Three Letters... *CHT* Need I say more?

3. The updates and constant changings.

4. Damn near every App. on Droid you can get on windows.

5. Maxsense, a growning U.I. that is the SHIZZ-NIT.

6. All the people that help, the community.

7. All the different CABS. and ZIPS; Themes (different colors) and customs.

8. CHEF's: ERG, VINN, Mr.X (still using some of his app. in all the different ROM's I flash) and Mighty.

9. Then your SATODS and BignAdad (I call him BIGGS)

10. I think the TP2 (HD2) has more fans.

So on that note; I'll wait to get a DROID phone as long as they have the TOP TEN, MY TP2 IS A TEN, Till they come out with something that has all the above.:toothy7:

Please tell me what you think.

P.S. I'm still a noob... LMAO


1-evo has a lot of ROMs too (better IMO)
2- ok you got me
3-same on EVO
4-wrong
5-sense on Evo....way better
6-GREAT help on EVO thread as well. (Most came from TP2 area)
7-Same as EVO
8-one ROM to rule them all (Fresh) and lets not forget OMJ
9-^^^^^
10.Evo's android OS is WAY smother than ANY WM ROM I have EVER used. I have been around her for a while now.

PS Have you even used and Android phone yet?




CW

teradog 07-17-2010 11:05 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
#1`reason TP2 is better? You can afford the monthly bill!!!
EVO = over $700 more a year (for those paying for it themselves (like me)... not including discounts!) (not using some old tricks...I do use..)

Here's a link to a hater thread..! HA! I was called a troll, etc ... LOL! ..and then some **** deleted***** closed it! No valid conversation or difference of opinion allowed! LOL again! (now my account will probably be closed! :>))

"EVO Expensive! $130/month? REQUIRES Everything Data + $10, over 2X the cost!"
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=123929

Jok3sta 07-17-2010 11:19 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Winmo WAS good but its days are over.. and we all kno winmo 7 is lame... im sorry but my next device is going to be an android phone.. after running android on my tp2 i get kinda depressed when i have to go back to windows. Winmo is too slow and laggy. Even on the hd2 its laggy despite all of the great specs the phone has ( trust me i have used the device).. And honestly the only reason most of us chance roms is because they never work right in the first place.. I am in no way a winmo hater (check my sig). I have been rocking winmo since the tmobile mda, and i was a diehard. But its just time to move on

And as far as the monthly bill.. im willing to pay the extra money if it means i have a phone that just works

flyers2114 07-17-2010 11:39 AM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 1834020)
here we go again....
seriously, give me 2 weeks with an HD2 and it will do laps around any android device.

I agree....if I could get an HD2 from Sprint I would be all over it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by muyoso (Post 1838995)
I agree 100%. As soon as people with TP2's stop posting threads about how much better their phone is than Android to reassure themselves, it will all go away.

We get it....you love android....just to post some clarity....it is just a phone..:sleepy2:....stop taking it so personal.....lol

chino331 07-17-2010 12:04 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
just read every post... great entertainment! I was using WM for like 5 years, finally switched to Android... I forgot how fast a phone can be. No lockups, no SOD, tons of free apps in the market place... I'm happy with my Android - but it's all about personal preference.

pimpsuprazx 07-17-2010 12:06 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
im ok with my blackberry too, i switched my from tp2 to my blackberry, still has its problems like any other device though

slidebabyslide 07-17-2010 01:12 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chino331 (Post 1870433)
just read every post... great entertainment! I was using WM for like 5 years, finally switched to Android... I forgot how fast a phone can be. No lockups, no SOD, tons of free apps in the market place... I'm happy with my Android - but it's all about personal preference.

I switched to android about a week ago. Supper fast I haven't had to reset my phone at all. I still use my tp 2 but only for school because its recognized as a safe device to log in to schools wifi.

WarChild 07-17-2010 01:31 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jok3sta (Post 1870365)
Winmo WAS good but its days are over.. and we all kno winmo 7 is lame... im sorry but my next device is going to be an android phone.. after running android on my tp2 i get kinda depressed when i have to go back to windows. Winmo is too slow and laggy. Even on the hd2 its laggy despite all of the great specs the phone has ( trust me i have used the device).. And honestly the only reason most of us chance roms is because they never work right in the first place.. I am in no way a winmo hater (check my sig). I have been rocking winmo since the tmobile mda, and i was a diehard. But its just time to move on

And as far as the monthly bill.. im willing to pay the extra money if it means i have a phone that just works

I agree with you 100%




CW

travissand 07-20-2010 05:33 PM

Re: Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]
 
Wow after reading all of this thread I want a EVO but it wont work with my sprint plan. Are there any other fast none HTC Android phones with a large screen? If not I bet there will be soon. I have been on WM since the Hitachi G1000, been flashing roms and cooking my own.
I'm fet up with the lag and I agree with everyones negative comments about WM here. I hate spending the time to customize my new phone just to make it they way it should have been out of the box. As for all of the good comments here about WM, most of them are not true. Im moving on! Windows Mobile can die a slow painful death with the die hards. Maby I will will eBay my new TP2.


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