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fair point, I forgot to add it has to be a HTC lol

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Honestly the further this thread goes, its just going to be people arguing how the Touch Pro 2 is better than any android device. This is only going to end with someone getting pissed, banned, and thread closed.

with that being said, i have almost all of my co-workers phones all spl unlocked or rooted for my customizing pleasure, and quite honestly, the TP2 upgrading just goes much smoother.

with the TP2, i run task29, load an .nbh file on a sd card and thats all.

with android i have to go through the recovery and wipe everything, load a .zip with the rom, load another .zip with alot of the needed programs, push a bunch of .apks through the ADB, customize some stuff, make sure everyone knows using a rom with HTC sense makes the built in alarm never shut up till you reset the phone, look for another alarm clock to push to it, find some bug fixes, and deal with everyone's Force Closes because they wanted to have one of the 65,000 apps. seriously. download one stupid app and you get force closes and you have to wipe the phone and start over.


but seriously, port me some windows 3.1 action. thats all it takes to get my rocks off.

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The HD2 is such an awesome phone, I would buy three of them immediately if I could use them on verizon service.

Switching to t-mobile is not a legit option for me however.

~John

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Android allows you to install apps from a storage card. Android has a ridiculous number of UI's. The task killer option? There are dozens of different task killers to choose from.

So basically all of your negatives on android were mistaken, except that yes there is no task killer built into the core android OS iteself, just like there is no task killer built into the core windows mobile OS itself. Third parties add their own.

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for the love of pete, this is theTP2 FORUM,

not a competition between windows and android, both have their strong points and weak points, its a matter of user preference, some prefer one, some the other, so can we just agree to kill this whole thing because its really annoying to open every new thread and see android can do this, and winmo could do this.

sorry for the rant, but dammit this is annoying

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I agree 100%. As soon as people with TP2's stop posting threads about how much better their phone is than Android to reassure themselves, it will all go away.

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yea but with respect, it doesn't help with some people poking at the fire so it blows up into a whole pissing contest

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Probably not. But its a little annoying to see people who obviously have never used Android making claims against it that are completely illegitimate just to boost their own ego or something. I mean, the TP2 is a great phone. Some Android phones are better. I really dont understand people that tie their phone OS of choice or consequence in with their ego, like they must have the "best" phone or they are less of a person. Get over it. TP2 hardware wise is way behind other phones. Windows Mobile is way behind other OS's. That doesn't mean that the TP2 with windows mobile isn't a great phone, its just that there are better phones out now, as there should be.

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that works lol

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You know what would be really cool? If we all go over to the Android forum and Rant and Rave over there. :cussing:


(At least then I won't have to read how much better the android is.) :banghead:

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I agree. If you want to make a post saying that the TP2 is better than Android, go over to the Android section where your assertions might be challenged.

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1. Centralized app store with 65,000 applications, most of which are free.

http://www.handango.com/app-store/Ho...rch=hpbutton_1

2.All app updates happen through a centralized app store, and you update with 2 screen presses.

With the Handango App.

"Automatic Updates – New content and promotions delivered automatically at
intervals YOU define"

3. Voice to text in EVERY search field in ANY application

Pretty dang close Tellme
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...ghlight=Tellme

4. The on screen keyboard takes control in text fields, allowing you to tap "Next" at the lower right to skip to the next text field and "Done" after you have reached the last. This is better than having to tap the screen hiding the keyboard, scroll down, tap the next text field which brings up the keyboard again.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=554240
Add Tab function.

5. Google search integrated searches the web, your files on the phone and your programs for ridiculously easy access.

Last time I checked I can use google.com I have a search feature on my phone to find things to.

5. Full Flash implementation which will NEVER come to Windows Mobile.

Skyfire

6. Entire OS actually utilizes the back button, including applications. Have never had to use the back button in windows mobile, and when I have used it, it never did anything predictable.

The Hardware back button never fails for me………………………..

8. The OS is designed completely to be used with fingers and not a stylus. No tiny OK buttons or menus to deal with. Windows Mobile has never rid itself of these completely.

Running 6.5.x (there are Official Phone on the market with it) only time I use the styli is on the occasion I need to Soft reset.

9. Keyboard auto capitalizes first letter of each word when in a name field.

Mine does too.

If you want to get technical than ya some of these are not pre installed with the OS, but there are lots of quirks that Android has that it takes additional software out of the box to get the full user experience.

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LOL, great post Wesley.

The amount of misinformation in that post you replied to is simply amazing.......

~John

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Thanks, I was going to post a reply to it yesterday but did not have the time, I found the time to respond today. I think its pretty cut and dry, if you have Android and WM on the exact same hardware your user experience is pretty much going to be the same. there is always going to be one app or another that does better on each platform, and there are always going to be fan boy's of each. Simply put I think they are both on a level playing field.

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You have got to be joking. Handango is not a centralized app store. Find me Bing, Google maps, Tom Tom, Garmin, etc, etc, etc. They don't have it. They sell THEIR games and apps there, that is not a centralized app store and you look silly comparing that to the Android Market.

TellMe is not even remotely close. Tell me requires you to launch the TellMe app and has very limited functionality. Android has voice search in every aspect of the OS and throughout all programs. You again are making yourself look silly.

Skyfire is not a full flash implementation. Its server side rendering of flash. It does not function nearly as well as on Android and again is limited.

The hardware back button never fails, but what does it do when you are in Opera? Does it go back a page? Does it take you back into the OS? What does it do when you are in a menu? Its different every time you press it. In most programs it just kicks it back to the OS. That is not the same at all.

6.5.x does not make windows mobile fully finger friendly. Go into the settings and it instantly falls back to small non finger friendly lists and layouts.


That is the amazing response? Tell me and skyfire and Handango? These aren't even close to the same thing that android has, and makes me think you don't even know anything about Android. I WISH these things could compare, but I mean, they are not even close. People that have used both would be laughing out loud reading your post.

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Show me Native support for Exchange on Android, Oh wait its not there.

Show me Native support for Microsoft Office for Android, Oh wait it's not there.

Show Me How you can install apps without a Marketplace on Android, Oh wait you can't (without Modding your Device) and that would not be installed in the OS. I Enjoy the fact that I have choices where I get my software and I don't have big brother tracking what I use and someone Making the choice whether or not the App is ok.

I can go on and on all day long saying android sucks and WM rules, but you know what? I am not, I like both OS's and again I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this but both have there perk's and there flaws. if you can't handle someone debunking you than find some other website to troll on where they are going to let you.

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eh, wesley, you're fighting a losing battle on many of those points.... i use both the evo and tp2, love both, but for different reasons. Both have advantages but they are far from the same level. You can't be happy with the winmo equivalent to some of these points, it's just not possible if you've ever used the alternative.

Anyway, how can you compare han-f'n-dango to the android market? With handango, you're overcharged, quality apps are highly lacking and you won't find free apps that are actually useful (if any). It's a clunky way to download/install apps. I downloaded 30 (useful) free apps on my first day with the evo and in record time.

Again, you're trying to compare tellme to voice to text on android? Nah, sorry that's crazy. Something tells me you've never used android and have no idea how powerful that tool is. Tellme doesn't even work right for most devices because microsoft abandoned the project (it was supposed to come out for multiple phones last year, but only available on the intrepid - maybe 1 more). And when it does work, no it's not damn near close. It's a completely different type of voice to text. On android you can use anywhere you can enter text. Tellme is only used in that program and it sucks - I remember uninstalling on the first day.

Don't compare google search on android with the website. I don't think you understand the significance of integration... I won't even break it down for you.

Back button IS garbage on winmo and you know it (or maybe you haven't realized). For the most part, except surfing with some browsers, all it does is minimize/close crap, it doesn't actually go back an action like it should. There's a reason why people barely use it on winmo and also why developers have to create ways to go back within the software.

I agree that you don't need a stylus anymore on winmo thanks to HTC and/or 6.5.x, but the OS is far from finger friendly. Resistive screens are not finger friendly either, they're fingernail friendly. For the longest time i thought i was fine with resistive, then i tried capacitive for a week and realize how crappy resistive is. Only reason to like it is if you need it for character input like in china.

I applaud your effort, but you're defending the wrong points. Actually, you should be highlighting what WinMo can do OVER android, not what it can't do nearly as well. That just makes WinMo look bad. Unfortunately, as each day passes, WinMo is losing ground on what it can do over Android. That's why I'm using both platforms now.

This is coming from a user of both. I can list what i think is better on winmo, but that's for another day.

Btw, you can install stuff outside of the market easily without root.

Peace

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You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about.

You can install ANY application you want on android by selecting a SINGLE check box in the settings that says "allow apps of unverifiable source" or something like that.

Android has native exchange support through activesync.

OH NO, microsoft office isn't on android. There are a ton of alternatives. You are REALLY grasping here.


The fact is, you CANNOT go on all day saying how Android sucks and Windows Mobile rules, because half of the "points" you make are dead wrong and the other half are comically ridiculous like saying Handango is equal to the Android Market.

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I think that everyone needs to stop making this we got 65k in app's a deal closer, I mean realistically how many version's of solitaire do you really need. Yes they have a Ton of app's but WM has just as many. So ya not every single WM app is not in one place, you know what? thats ok because I don't have one company controlling over whether or not that or this app is acceptable.

There are TON's of FREE Apps,

http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com

http://www.pocketpcfreeware.org/

http://www.freewareppc.com/

I just don't see the Market place a winning argument.

Wait are you telling me that you would have to go somewhere else besides the Market place? would that not defeat the purpose of your argument of the Market place?

More to come...........

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more robust exchange support will come with froyo.

of course as you said office isnt there but if we polled this forum on whether or not they use office mobile i would bet money that 75% would say no. now i use it exstensivly which is why docs to go was the first app i purchased. htc has quick office as well that comes preloaded you can only view however no editing.

as far as installing apps not from the market, not sure where you got your info but that is completly false. its a simple thing to allow in the settings, takes 2 seconds. the only carrier i know that doesnt allow that without rooting is at&t, guess why lol.

i use both os's daily and at the end of the day both have their good and bad, really comes down to each users specific needs. at this point in time i would call them about even, but remember android is coming up on 2 yrs and how long has winmo been out....?

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and tell me isnt anywhere near the same level as googles voice recognition. thats like michael jordan going one on one with an 11 year old, just chalk up and L on that point. winmo just doesnt have anything that compares, sorry.

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Uh, you were the one that said being able to install outside of the marketplace was a killer feature that Windows Mobile had that Android didn't. You were the one who said that you don't want some corporation deciding what apps were ok for you to install. And no, I am not telling you that you HAVE to go somewhere else besides the market. And no, it does not defeat the purpose of the market. What are you even talking about?

I suggest you really give Android a try. You can install it on the TP2 without much hassle at all, and it doesn't affect the windows mobile installation at all. Its a great OS with very few of the limitations that you think it has.

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You don't even know your own platform, man. Those sites are garbage and have been pretty much abandoned in the last couple years. Please, never mention those sites again because it's a buzzkill for my winmo fan side. The main freeware sites are freewarepocketpc.net and 1800pocketpc.com. The former even has their own freeware market you can install to device. Unfortunately, they're packed with 99% trash.

It's not about the quantity of apps. You are clearly missing the big picture. What's available on all these winmo sites and markets are, simply put, crap. Theyre outdated in functionality and looks, and some don't even work anymore. That explains why you listed the worst freeware sites of them all because even you don't care to investigate these alternate sources. You said how many versions of solitaire do we need? That's just it, the selection on winmo may be repeats and unimpressive, but you will be shocked by what is available on the android market already. Even the clones of the good ones are good, it's rather impressive to see after using winmo for so long. You really need to try before you try to say they're equal.

No matter how many markets or sites you provide for winmo, you cannot be happy to use it in argument because of the quality of the apps and the hoops you have to jump through - not to mention price. $30 for im+ full and resco explorer each? That's crazy!

Small and Major developers have abandoned winmo. Your boys at skyfire update the winmo version once a year? They keep updating it for android and they're putting their newest features in it. Same with opera mini, it actually gets updated and guess what, it works! Not to mention Dolphin browser HD is Fennec, but actually works. All the previous winmo only premium apps have already made it over and they're even better, which is a damn shame because i know winmo can do better. It's sad that not even fandango wants to make an app for winmo. You may not care for that app, but it's surely a sign of how bad things are in the eyes of companies/developers.

In the end, the developers decide which platform is better for apps. WinMo is done in that regard. If you're someone who likes apps, you're on the wrong platform. And if you've never spent a few days with android or iPhone, you don't understand the amount of quality apps/games out there...

Anyway, I'm done here... i'm wasting too much time debating points that shouldn't even be up for debate. Take my advice, stop trying to find winmo equivalents for what android can do and start looking for stuff that WinMo can do OVER or Better than android. That's the only path that can hold some water. Good luck.

PS: i use both platforms. I just can't get behind your points.

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Win mo has no future just because out of box its sucks.Thats why we all here to make it the way it should be.
But most of the people have no clue what is .cab,.tsk,regedit and when they come to the store to shop of course they will choose supersonic or evo or iphone 4 (front camera and video call is a killer)

BTW I love my TP2 especially after CHT showed up and Since Im with sprint,there is no way to get iphone4 lol

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Here is my honest opinion.

I bought my verizon tp2 on launch day and at the time it was the best smartphone money could buy. I've been flashing a bunch of roms but kept coming back to mighty mikes. The phone has been great and the battery life is just kick ass. But I keep feeling that app support was dying on this platform. Since I'm still serving time under a 2 year contract with the tp2, I decided to search craigslist for a moto droid thinking I can get one cheap. So on day 2 of looking, a software developer placed a new moto droid he got from the google i/o conference on craigs for $125. After finally getting the phone activated (don't ask) I instantly fell in love. I rooted the phone and was able to install custom roms (wonderful app called rom manager makes it simple) and I overclocked it to 1ghz without issues, the phone is just a beast. Google navigation just works (the gps picks up very quick and is very accurate); no need for a third party nav program but I do have copilot just in case. So many web browsers to choose from but the best is dolphin hd; best mobile browser I've ever used. The only thing lacking was a video player that played high res xvid but just today I downloaded "rockplayer" and it plays videos like butter. The craigslist and ebay apps are excellent and there is so much more to explore. The entire google experience is excellent. If I use igoogle on my computer all my appointments update instantly on the phone along with my contacts on gmail.
I can really go all day and I've only had the phone for 2 weeks. Today I preordered a droid x at bestbuy finding that reviews and early benchmarks puts the phone at the top of the list. The droid is going to the wife and I'm getting the X. I do hope that microsoft will get their act together with mobile 7 because I really do love the battle that's unfolding in the mobile arena. But I can't help but feel that microsoft let windows mobile out to die.

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Cheers Vin! Your 6.5.x ROM builds have made my TP2 incredibly solid and loaded with eye candy for many months now. Thanks so much again!

In regard to strong and weak points of each OS, the fully integrated speech to text with Android is a great feature, and something I'd like to see integrated in WM or at least in the forthcoming WP OS. That said, bing and Tellme have been somewhat of a start, but again full integration would be fantastic.

One of the missing Android features that's been major deal breaker for me, was the lack of blue-tooth voice dialing directly from the headset. Thankfully, this issue has just recently been fixed with the Froyo release. Nonetheless, if your Android phone does not have Froyo yet. It's still missing a major phone feature that's been available for years on other platforms. Moreover, the lack of this ability has limited Android's use as an actual phone for myself and many others, as hands free only phone use is the law while driving here.

One thing that I really miss with the capacitive touch only iPhone and Android type screens verses the TP2 and older WM phones, is the ability to use a stylus to write notes, work on diagrams or sketches, get signatures for invoices easily, or just use a finger nail to select something. Plus, it's just nice to have the option to use an accurate down to the pixel stylus instead of having to finger the screen all the time.

As far as my business use goes, the TP2 has no equal yet, largely due to it's keyboard, as well as it's exchange, office, and mobile invoice software integration. For personal use, I think WM, iOS, and Android are all fairly equal when each is unlocked, loaded with apps, and optimized. With regard to speed, obviously the EVO or HD2 or anything with double the processing power and ram outperforms the TP2 or Diamond or older iPhones.

As far as which OS is best, heck, I enjoy modifying my iPhones once jailbroken almost as much as WM when unlocked, and I'm sure I will enjoy tweaking Android as much once rooted. In accordance with full disclosure, my experience with Android is limited to testing out the Droid for a few weeks, the EVO recently for the weekend, and loading 2.1 on my Diamond, TP2, as well as loading Froyo on my old iPhone 3G. My bottom line is that all our current mobile platforms have pluses and minuses, and all have plenty of room for improvement. In turn, it's really up to each user to customize each OS and UI for their specific needs. In that respect, I have really appreciated the great work done through the years by members here at ppcgeeks and over at xda. Without them, WM would suck, as Vin put it so succinctly. IMHO, everyone should just enjoy what they have to the max, be thankful we have many options and great sites to help us modify our systems, and try not to be full of hate or envy.

Best to all,
R

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I know what ima do, I'm just gonna go in the android forum and be like

WINDOWS RULES

lol

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i'm just posting to eveyone can check out my sig!

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Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Comes down to preference.

Use what you want, how you want to use it.

If you're not happy....SWITCH

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and to add to that, if you switch, leave everyone else alone lol, like if you switch to android, dont say windows, sucks, or if you switch to windows, don't say android sucks, we got enough of this winmo vs. android crap right now, and when I say crap its not referring to android, its the situation at hand, so silence

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Mac vs. PC anyone? hahaha

Pick your side on the WinMo & Android issue, be mature about it, don't bash the other side, and enjoy your decision. Easy as that

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yessir, agreed

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I have had wm since the cingular 8125 and was anti android... I really was anti everything pretty much die hard wm.

After giving it a shot I just can't go back because for me it its smoother, faster, more refined. Everything including surfing and text input doesn't lag plus I don't find myself ever having to reset the phone.

The android market also is really impressive, I've never had such an integrated experience.

WM has its niches but overall I cannot trade off this performance and stability. If I need an app to do anything my wm would it's a cinch to find with all of the android development engulfing the mobile world.

Evo via tapatalk.

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so far so good for me, the wife's was DOA so they are sending another. The thing is fast and the network is great when you have signal. I don't have the signal at work that I did, but I can't blame t-mobile though, we have sprint boosters in the building.

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Dude, what an awesome pic!!

~John

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come on and join the gang :)!

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I think everyone is for getting the 1st post and turning this into a vs. thread, when all the Droid people are still in the PRO 2 posts... Because there's only like 5 people over there HEHE, HAHA

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thats because many of us still have/mod our tp2's as well sport

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Also, might be because Android is being ported to the TP2 and many people are trying it on their phone and are surprised at how even a buggy feature missing build is performing and how many amazing features it has that are lacking on WM.