Calendar appointments off 1 hr. -- this is absolutely driving me to drink!

[unitmonster]

DLC....when you apply the patch, are your appointments correct initially (before reset)? That is what was happening for me, but then it would stop working after a reset.

In your previous post it seems like your issues were specific to the all day events. Are you also having problems with hourly appts being incorrectly listed as an hour earlier? For me, after all of the steps, my hourly appts were fine, but I still had to manually correct the all day events (like Independence day showing as July 3rd). Once I did that though, the changes stuck. Also, new appts seem to be entered and holding correctly for me.

Curious to see how close your problems are to what I was experiencing. I agree, this is a complete mess. There is no way that DST should cause this much headache. I am not a computer programmer, but this should be a simple fix...

[DLCPhoto]

Originally Posted by unitmonster

DLC....when you apply the patch, are your appointments correct initially (before reset)? That is what was happening for me, but then it would stop working after a reset.

I don't think I checked the appointments immediately after installing the patch.

Originally Posted by unitmonster

In your previous post it seems like your issues were specific to the all day events. Are you also having problems with hourly appts being incorrectly listed as an hour earlier? For me, after all of the steps, my hourly appts were fine, but I still had to manually correct the all day events (like Independence day showing as July 3rd). Once I did that though, the changes stuck. Also, new appts seem to be entered and holding correctly for me.

I have both - all day events showing up a day early, as well as individual appointments showing up an hour early.

The problem with events like Independence Day is that at least on my system, they show up in Outlook 2007 as individual events for each year, rather than an annual recurring series. Kind of makes it hard to fix!

Originally Posted by unitmonster

Curious to see how close your problems are to what I was experiencing. I agree, this is a complete mess. There is no way that DST should cause this much headache. I am not a computer programmer, but this should be a simple fix...

Agreed; this is ridiculous.

I installed the Outlook Time Zone Update program, ran it, and it found no items in the calendar that needed to be updated. So it apparently did nothing at all.

I may try to uninstall the Patch on my TP2, reset, and try again. I can't exactly remember if it automatically reset after the patch was installed, which it apparently is supposed to do. And maybe this time around I'll leave the Network Sync unchecked, and see if that makes any difference.

[unitmonster]

I would definitely check your appointments immediately after applying the patch to see if it at least works temporarily. If so, then some of the other steps may be helpful in getting the changes to stick permanently.

[DLCPhoto]

Well, I uninstalled the Patch, Reset, Re-installed the Patch, Reset, Disabled Network Sync, Changed Time Zone to London, Reset, Changed Time Zone back to Eastern, left Network Sync unchecked, and Reset.

The times now show correctly!! Interestingly, when I look at one of the events that is effected, it first shows up with the incorrect time, and quickly changes to the correct one. Not confidence-inspiring, but at least it gets corrected.

The main remaining problems is the Holidays. In Outlook 2007, I was able to "Import" United States Holidays into the Calendar, and these appear just fine. But each of them is a single, annual event, rather than an annually recurring series.

On my TP2, these all appear 1 day early, and again they show up as individual annual events.

So there's no practical way of editing each and every U.S. holiday, for every coming year. I tried changing one even on the TP2 from a single event to an annual series, and it ended up disappearing on the Outlook calendar! Another event changed from once a year, as I set it up on my TP2, to once every 12 years!! I've seen that bug spoken about too.

I can change the individual Holidays in Outlook 2007, make them annual, and they will then show up correctly on my TP2 (I make the change with the TP2 in Activesync connection, so they sync immediately). But I then end up with double entries for each of these in subsequent years, since it has individual entries for each holiday for each year (pretty stupid!!).

So my personal dates and events seem to be working correctly; it's just the Holidays that are still screwed up, thanks to Outlook 2007's method of having them as single annual events, rather than a recurring annual series.

(And in retrospect, I think I omitted the reset after installing the patch the first time around, which is why it didn't work that time.)

[DLCPhoto]

Hopefully my final post here. I think I've fixed everything.

In Outlook 2007, I went to View...Events... and was able to see all the Holidays previously imported, which are basically messed up on my TP2. I selected and deleted all of these. Again, I did this with my TP2 connected via ActiveSync. It took a minute or so to Sync, and all Holidays were removed from my TP2.

I then went in Outlook 2007 to Tools...Options...Calendar Options...Add Holidays... and again imported U.S. Holidays. It warned me that these had been previously imported, but allowed me to do it again. Once again, it took a minute or so to Sync with my TP2, and now these Holidays seem to be present on the correct days.

So after hours devoted to this problem, I'm back to where I should have been to begin with, having a Calendar that actually shows the correct dates and times for events!!

The only thing that is different is that I haven't re-enabled Network Time Sync. While I don't see why that should make a difference, I'm also reluctant to upset the status quo. Perhaps I'll do an SPB backup first, and then try that out.

Hope this will be of help to others with these problems.

[unitmonster]

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.7 (WindowsMobile; PPC; Opera Mobi/35267; U; en; Presto/2.1.1))

DLC - glad to see you got things working. Please post the results if you go back to the setting to sync time with the network. My feeling is that it should be fine, but i haven't felt like risking it.

One other thing I noticed...the quick moment where htc sense/manila calendar shows the incorrect time before adjusting to the right time does not occur in the regular windows mobile calendar. My guess is that sense/manila just takes an added moment to apply the patch.

Man, i will be really upset if everything gets messed up again on 3/14...lol.

[physicsguy]

I use Activesync with Google and had the same problem and here is what has worked for me (at least for now). I installed the Microsoft DST cab on my phone (catalog entries already synced to the phone). I changed the time zone and saved that. I then disabled time synchronization in the phone settings under CDMA. Then I went back to clock settings and changed it to my current time zone. Now the catalog entries after March 14th display the correct time and this has remained true after a soft reset.

Of course I won't really know if this is working until we get to March 14th but I hope this is finally fixed.

I can't believe that Microsoft released 6.5 with the same issue that they had in 6.1 with DST.

[three west]

I'm still dealing with some of the same issues here.

couple of thoughts

I wonder if some of my annually recurring events (birthdays/anniversaries) that have a begin date before the DST change are causing a problem?

I wonder if using outlook 2003 (for a few more weeks) on my exchange acct and Outlook 2007 on my personal pc is causing any issues.

just thinking out loud, maybe we'll figure this thing out yet...

[EngravEER]

Originally Posted by unitmonster

Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.7 (WindowsMobile; PPC; Opera Mobi/35267; U; en; Presto/2.1.1))

DLC - glad to see you got things working. Please post the results if you go back to the setting to sync time with the network. My feeling is that it should be fine, but i haven't felt like risking it.

Man, i will be really upset if everything gets messed up again on 3/14...lol.

unitmonster & everyone else working thru this problem...

Do NOT -- I repeat do NOT -- re-enable the Time Sync w/ Network option!!!!!!!

After playing with this thing, here's what I found works (and doesn't work )...

First-off, I installed the Daylight Savings Time patch on BOTH the PC (the one for Outlook 2003 which is the version of Outlook I'm using) and the phone (see post #1 in this thread). Then went into the Phone Settings menu and DISABLED the Time Sync w/ Network option. Changed my timezone from US Eastern (GMT-5) to GMT. Soft reset... phone booted to GMT (good ) Back into settings and reset my timezone for US Eastern (GMT-5). Soft reset... phone booted to US Eastern (GMT-5). At that point, went into Pocket Informant and checked my appointments and everything was fine -- including appointments in the DST period (March 14th - November 7th)... start/end times for hourly appointments right where they should be... all day appointments on their correct day (not one day earlier as was the case previously).

Everything held once the clock flipped to the next day, held after soft resets and held after re-syncing with Outlook 2003 via ActiveSync.

Was feeling supremely confident this evening after seemingly grabbing this tiger by its tail the past day or so... so went back in and re-enabled the Time Sync w/ Network option on my TP2. BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! Just like that, ALL of my hourly apppointments during the DST period went back one hour earlier; all of my all-day events went back one day earlier.... the tiger had turned-around and bit me!

Time Sync w/ Network is the debil!!!!!!! (At least it is for this Sprint user... don't know about Verizon, AT&T, et. al.)

After a "wash, rinse, repeat" of the original steps outlined above (unitmonster gets full credit for those from his earlier post), I'm back in business and everything is fine.

Remember folks... do NOT re-enable the Time Sync w/ network option!

Now of course, the next big hurdle is to see what happens to all of us at 2:00am on March 14th? Do our calendar appointments stay right where they should be or is it "The End of The World As We Know It"? (my apologies to R.E.M. )

[DLCPhoto]

Originally Posted by EngravEER

Do NOT -- I repeat do NOT -- re-enable the Time Sync w/ Network option!!!!!!!
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Was feeling supremely confident this evening after
seemingly grabbing this tiger by its tail the past day or so... so went back in and re-enabled the Time Sync w/ Network option on my TP2. BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!! Just like that, ALL of my hourly apppointments during the DST period went back one hour earlier; all of my all-day events went back one day earlier.... the tiger had turned-around and bit me!
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Time Sync w/ Network is the debil!!!!!!! (At least it is for this Sprint user... don't know about Verizon, AT&T, et. al.)

Many thanks for "taking one for the team"!!! I haven't yet done this experiment, but even though I'm on Verizon, I have little doubt that my results would be any different from yours. At least you were able to reverse it again.

It would be great to get the ear of somebody at Microsoft/Verizon/Spring, etc. and point out this problem, but that seems virtually impossible.

What really perplexes me is why everybody isn't howling about this. Is it really that only a few of us are effected, or has nobody else just not noticed this???

I would be interested in the experience of other users here:

- do you simply not have this problem on your Calendars? Have you looked?
-If you don't, had you previously applied any of the patches referenced here?
-do you have Automatic Network Time Sync enabled or disabled?

In any case, thanks again to EngravEER for identifying this as at least one of the key issues here.