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according to this the hd2 does have the ability to run winmo7. i know someone said it was unlikely but it does have the specs. also it tells that capacitive screen and faster processor are needed for winmo 7.

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/...r-the-htc-hd2/

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HTC Russia probably redacted that statement because they weren't allowed to say anything regarding WM7 or WM7 on the HD2.

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I'm just bamboozled and confused beyond belief. You all remember the new HTC leaked line-up for 2010 right... Well what the hell is HTC doing with all those phones. Apparently none of them can run WM7 cuz the hardware doesn't meet the requirements. So does that mean they are hiding phones that will make us drool harder than a fat man in a cake factory? I hope so... i was very disappointed with that line-up.

Richard Kennedy

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its only being shown to the public in febuary not released

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Yes, that is very likely. The point I was really trying to make was the fact that WM7 upgrades are not going to be available for the TP2 and others.

wmpoweruser.com just posted a piece quoting a support person from HTC stating that the WM7 upgrade would be available for the HD2, but not until at least next November.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12145

Dave

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That wasn't a leaked roadmap. That was a leaked sales presentation (well a few slides from one anyway) where HTC was pitching potential devices to T-Mobile. None of those devices were running WM7 because Microsoft doesn't want that cat out of the bag yet.

The only device the general public has ever seen that is even capable of running WM7 is the HD2. HTC hasn't shown a single future device yet that will be running it.

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are these the only leaked pics of winmo 7?

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...2wm7mockup.jpg http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...lim/hd2222.jpg

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IMO, HTC Sense & SPB still light years ahead in appearance.

Hardware requirements = more power consuming = bigger battery needed = heavier.

Unless actual hardware is some new super efficient design to match requirements, I dont see these devices making it thru the day on a 1500ma bat..:scratch:

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sure itl be real. but not untill they release the version they are currently working on and then start making a new one.

they are working on 6.5.3. the beta is what they were showing off at CES. they wont be comming out with a new os untill they finish making the one they are currently working on.

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those images also looked tweaked...
windows has released images from 2 years ago...that says a lot...every other image of possible wm7 development has been closed or removed by microsoft...

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Dont look now but theres a woman FU&*ing a polar bear.

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this is what i've been thinking. I know winmo 7 is in the works and probably almost done, but more then likely they will be showing off 6.5.x or 6.6 because they haven't even shown that off yet and it hasn't officially launched. Only us on ppcgeeks and xda have used 6.5.x the rest of the world is only using 6.1 or 6.5. It makes no sense to show off winmo 7 when they havne't released 6.6 yet and we all know 6.6 is here.

On a side note i run 6.5.x roms and love them, to finally have the sip placement working and a working taskmanager I can't wait. Microsoft go ahead and release 6.6 so we can have some official roms.

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thought 6.5.X builds was just development towards WinMo7. I'm quite disappointed that MS is actually releasing 6.5.3 on devices. I prefer 6.5.X over 6.5...but I just tolerate those ungainly looking big buttons on the start bar. I actually think that we'll still see WinMo7 in Feb...and I think 6.6 will be eventually used for "low-end" WinMo devices (resistive) where as WinMo7 is for the "high-end" (capacitive).

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CDMA iPhone should be it by then - should be the end of wm as we know it

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By the time my contract is up.. I bet better phones will be out.

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Until they offer a physical keyboard, Apple and Steve Jobs can go to hell.

MANY of us will NEVER buy a phone without a physical keyboard.
Now, if Apple did offer one, I would honestly try it.
But, Jobs will never allow it. So for that, I hope he dies.

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I just read on 1800pocketpc.com that W7 will NOT be backwards compatible. I'm no rumormonger, but if this is true, I really hope they offer it as a companion OS for regular Winmo. If not- count me the hell out of this 'upgrade'. I do not know why companies do this(coughPALMcough), unless they just enjoy pissing off legacy users.

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honestly however... they said WM6.5 wouldn't be able to run on the mogul... until its 100% proven that its 100% different then the WM6/6.1/6.5.x platform (IE NOT CE5 based) then its not 100% certain that it WONT work on our TP2!

(you know thinking about my CE5 based comment... watch WM7 just be CE6 based... no real ****ing work at all...)

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I was thinking today, you can type on the iphone much quietly than you can tp2. ya know, no clicking buttons n'all

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what if we like the tactile feedback/sound? ever stop to think about that? (its a joke... take no offense to it, unless you think FM wouldnt be a good thing for the TP2 CDMA then you can take a long walk off a short pier)

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im thinkin from my wifes standpoint yellin at me for makin noise in bed when she's sleeping (i saw her wake up from a dead sleep because of a flee, im serious. a flee)

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I find that incredibly hard to believe -- it'd be insanely dumb. Though that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. MS is already struggling to attract developers to the platform (and keep the ones they have).

It also doesn't fit with their reported strategy of keeping 6.5.X around for lower cost devices. It is not a good idea to have two active platforms that require separate development and aren't compatible.

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Well it looks to be true, and it makes a lot of sense. WM7 is being developed with an all new core OS. This itself would make backward compatability difficult. It also makes sense as to why they are continuing down the WM6.5 path. This gives those who want to stay with legacy applications the ability to do so.

With Microsoft's mantra of "Three screens and a cloud" it would seem logical that they would have to make some major changes to Wiondows Mobile to work more seamlessly with other computers in the group.

To you and I it may seem very stupid not to have backwards compatibility, but I think in the big picture I'm sure it is worthwhile. It's not like the folks at MS don't see the drawbacks of broken backwards compatibility, that's why I say they have decided to continue down the WM6.5 path for a while.

Dave

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WM6.x will be supported & updated well into the future because people in the USA buy phones with 2 year contracts.

For that reason you could also argue "dump all legacy support" is not a real issue or problem.

But all conversation of it seems premature based on anything like this blog/report. There is NO DOUBT MS would want legacy support and it's non-inclusion would be for deadline reasons only (project dates slipping, remove huge obstacle to maintain deadline of xmas 2010 launch).

You'd need an instant "MARKETPLACE" of apps or games to launch with WM7 at it's launch, almost like a new game console in the USA requires a few dozen great launch titles. That seems foolish and unnecessary. Even if it only meant a recompile by developers.

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And Microsoft would never do something like that to its already existing business-class. That's the only thing they care more about than personal/home users.

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I really hate the whole "cloud" concept. It is the stupidest idea I've heard. You just can't base a whole device off of internet connectivity. What happens if there's an outage? Or the storage servers go down? Thousands of users will be SOL. And what of the users who don't sign up for data? Any mobile device should be 100% usable as a standalone. You should not need a good signal & a data plan to play music or watch a video.

Oooh this makes me mad. Why do they have to ruin everything? I guess if they keep normal WM around it won't be bad but if they try to replace it with this new cloud BS I'm gonna cry.

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I agree. Blackberry service is a perfect example. Out again today, out once a month at least. Plus, I feel sorry for those that live near just one tower, as if that one goes out, no service.

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I do to, and for pretty much the same reasons.

Dave

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Its too 'Beast' computer like and end of the book of Revelations to me.

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if you use the internet you use a cloud.

99% of smartphone users DO NOT want email/info stored EXCLUSIVELY (ie. locked) on a "single device" rather a server where it can sync any device you're presently using (phone, laptop, pc in transit, home, work for example).

you want to check mail on a phone, delete it and when you get on a PC the email is 100% in sync.

same for calendars, etc.

the clouds is only lacking because of half-baked implementation. (well unless you pay $100 for apple's mobile me or whatever it's called and restrict yourself to apple only yuk).

for example MS has not yet realized the ability to sync your CONTACTS simply from Hotmail to a windows mobile device using "cloud service". Windows Live (wm app) helps remove the no-imap hotmail support (allowing imap-like use) but fails to sync contacts nevermind allow the ease to enter contacts into your "network" to be sync'd.

no ability to sync bookmarks to your phone.

or contacts (well of course you can using google contacts but...).

this is computer 101 level stuff and it's not just MS missing the boat. But that will all change hopefully soon as real phones are released with adequate RAM, faster CPUs and software designed for the "cloud".

ps - any smart phone (or blackberry) sold today pretty much requires a data plan by any major carrier. if you're on "pay as you go" using a smartphone you don't count in their stats and are a loss-leader to the carriers

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I use Wifi and the phone itself more than I se the internet

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more being the key word.

for $1/day you'd want to forgo internet (data plan) but pay $300 more upfront for your TP2? cause that's what it would take.

or even worse pay $1.99 per MB of data to sync contacts, etc.

come on... heavy/exclusive wifi use is really atypical and certainly not a desirable customer to major carriers. They don't need to subsidize (ie. eat $300+ phone charge) for you to stream media/TV all day on a wifi enabled smartphone (or use skype, etc.). This is simply business 101 and also supply and demand (enough demand & new customers to let you walk)

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You're wrong. Windows Live DOES sync your contacts, and Microsoft's MyPhone syncs your contacts, calendar, tasks, and yes- your internet bookmarks too.

And I hate being forced to use a cloud. Yes, I like to use the cloud for email and stuff like that. But I don't want to be forced into it. If I decide to use a pop3 email and have everyting stored on my device, I want to have that option.

See what happened to Sidekick users for the dangers of a cloud based service. They were without their calendar, even without their contacts- just because they lost access to the server. No thank you. I'll keep my stuff on the device, thank you very much.

When my devices get old and replaced, they live on as dedicated mini computers. Some make it to the car as GPS units. Others make it to various room in the house connected to stereos as a means to stream music from my home server. My next batch of new phones will retire my Touch Pro 2's to my weight room- as a means to stream music/video/ifit files from my home server, and access the workout spreadsheet. It's nice to run apps without having a data connection and a subscription to some service.

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sorry but WindowsLive syncs only contacts in "my network" which requires verification/invites to get a contact into. Terrible idea.

MyPhone is a BACKUP service.

Both half-baked implimentations that NEED correction & more for 7 to be a success.

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Whoooa dude. You are way off on this. First, the 99% number you mentioned is nothing more then a number you invented, not based on fact in any way. Your vision of cloud computing is way off when you compare it to email only. Furthermore there is a great difference in not wanting email on a single device, and having reside solely in a cloud.

There are some real cultural type changes that we have to accept before the masses are going to be willing to fully embrace the "cloud"

Dave

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#1: You're wrong man. Windows Live syncs whatever contacts you have in your hotmail address book. No invite needed. it syncs yoru contacts, period. Maybe you haven't used the app, or maybe you don't have a hotmail. I don't know why you wouldn't know this, but it's true- Windows Live DOES sync your contacts if you choose to allow it.

#2: MyPhone backs up- yes, and it also syncs. Don't believe me? Delete something off the website and see if it disappears off your device the next time it "syncs." Let me advise you in advance to back it up somewhere else, because I can promise you it will be gone from your device. So therefore it is not only backing up, but also syncing.

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I think the definition of "cloud" is creating some miscommunication here. Cloud is not all or none. If you think "cultural" changes are required to allow people to use cloud then you are totally mistaken or have a very different use of the term "cloud" as what it really means to mass-market and phones. Let me explain...

First off, I'm not talking about "cloud" as abandoning traditional PCs & hard drives or having terminals only with all of your personal (and corporate) data in "clouds" managed by an anonymous party. That is fantasy land nowhere close to reality. There is obviously a need now & in the future for local data (and local apps) as well as "cloud" data (as well as web/cloud apps). The need for both will remain distinct for years to come, even if you had worldwide 5G unlimited bandwidth devices.

Cloud data - so to speak - CAN/NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE LOCALLY. For example your google calendar (in a cloud) sync'd to outlook mobile. The cloud complaints fail to realize this or think it will be a non-option one day. BTW it's also why google docs has an "offline mode".

People have been using "clouds" since ftp and made mass-market by webmail which of course was introduced many years ago. Of course you know of the services like Microsoft Office "cloud", nevermind the huge success of google docs, photoshop online, etc. You might not see that as a "cloud" but it sure is!

Unfortunately MS is just a few years late and not implementing cloud integration which is absolutely necessary and expected for mass market devices (ie. smartphones in 2010+).

People want to gain access to commonly used info wherever they are on all devices. Clouds allow that (even though it's confusing and essentially should be invisible to the customer). Mobile phone bandwidth limits cloud & sync presently to things like calendar, contacts, bookmarks, notes/memos, etc. Even streaming music or media from a "cloud" is not reasonable and will be excessive bandwidth.

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I'd love to be wrong.... of course i have both the WL mobile app and hotmail accounts

go to hotmail contacts (shared with windows live contacts as you know)
http://people.live.com/?rru=contacts

now add a contact or business phone# without email (ie. local restaurant). They need to be emailed or invited to get into "network".

only those in "network" get sync'd in Windows Live (latest version wm6.5).

The fact that you can't force someone in "network" by simpy adding them to contact list without the invite is absurd.

Yes MyPhone syncs but it's totally clumsy and half-baked.

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You are still talking about cloud computing as it relates to email. Yes, we all want a cental "cloud" for access to email from anywhere, but future cloud computing goes much further.

Dave

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You are wrong man, lol. Yes, I know that someone has to be notified before they can be in your network. But they don't have to be in your network to be in your contact list. And it's not only network contacts that get synced. All of my hotmail contacts get synced. There may be some sort of option in hotmail to only sync network contacts or something, I don't know. But I do know that all of my hotmail contacts sync when I sync them, and not all of my contacts are in my network.

You may think MyPhone is clumsy and half baked, but that is only your opinion. The fact is, it DOES sync, and you claimed it did not, and then tried to argue the matter when I pointed out that yes it does. My only real beef with MyPhone is the storage limit. Sure, there are a couple of things that could be done better (manually select folders instead of only selecting file types) but all in all it's pretty good. If you only sync contacts, calendar, and tasks (as I do) then it's pretty awesome.