Who plans to go HD2?

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by gcianc

geeks upgrade a lot (see iphone) and sign 1-year contracts max

there is not a compelling fully 3G android device on any carrier except tmobile (nexusone) at this time.

the problem android faces is by the time contracts for casuals are open there will be substantially improved competition from windows phones, nevermind iPhone.

palm is better for women & casuals than android

android is also basically free to carriers so if you can't sell FREE then what the heck can you sell?

Did someone just bring the dying palm OS into the conversation? I'm not even going to discuss them. Android will have them beat in marketshare soon and that will be a travesty. The only way winmo will succeed is if they completely redo their os'. I know you joined the conversation late but salty was saying winmo 6.5 is just as functional as the newer next gen OS's currently out. Yeah 6.5 can do the samethings even more but the average things every OS does everything 10x easier and in less steps

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Did someone just bring the dying palm OS into the conversation? I'm not even going to discuss them. Android will have them beat in marketshare soon and that will be a travesty. The only way winmo will succeed is if they completely redo their os'. I know you joined the conversation late but salty was saying winmo 6.5 is just as functional as the newer next gen OS's currently out. Yeah 6.5 can do the samethings even more but the average things every OS does everything 10x easier and in less steps

Still waiting for that one example...

Man, I have never seen anyone talk so much without actually saying anything.

By the way- palm has almost 3 times the marketshare of Android right now. And that was while it was only on 1 carrier, and that carrier was SPRINT.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Still waiting for that one example...

Man, I have never seen anyone talk so much without actually saying anything.

By the way- palm has almost 3 times the marketshare of Android right now. And that was while it was only on 1 carrier, and that carrier was SPRINT.

damn salty i'm going to go ahead and say your an idiot. you obviously don't understand marketshare and you keep bringing it up. How long has Palm been around. That marketshare you're talking about isn't only comparing the the new palm os, its comparing palms in peoples hands in general, old palm and new palm. you act like android isn't the most rapidly growing os, it was even posted on the front of the ppcgeeks front page a couple of months back, isn't this a winmo website? i'm going to give you an example of marketshare your brain might be able to understand. If i create a flying car and the next flying car doesn't come out for 20 years, even if i fully agree that new flying car is better then mine, the fact that i've been out for 20 years will allow me to keep my marketshare forever. Now if i don't upgrade my flying car soon the new flying car will take over my marketshare. android has only been in the game a short while and they still sell their 1st ever android phone in stores, so how the hell can they be close to anyone in marketshare, but yet you see android commercials all the time. the fact that android is even as popular as it is shows winmo desperately needs a change to stay in the game.

you must not understand everything, sms feature is easier and more vibrant looking, web browsing is a better experience on any droid, contact card, mms, thousands of apps which are easier, gaming, you name it, its easier on droid, google maps, search feature, marketplace, you name it, its easier on droid. like i said the only advantage winmo has is slingbox and skyfire. androids memory management is better, i can keep going. and the things that aren't actually better, just look better with android. I use google even when i had winmo so everything that google incorporates for winmo is 10x better on the droid.

[fendi503]

sms is easier.......... Really?

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by fendi503

sms is easier.......... Really?

yeah that falls into the category of the things that aren't actually easier but look more vibrant, and yes the way you can pull up the contact card from that screen and the options it gives you is much better. Maybe i should sms you a youtube link and see what your phone does with it, and then we'll see what the nexus or any droid does when it receive that same link.

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by p-slim

yeah that falls into the category of the things that aren't actually easier but look more vibrant, and yes the way you can pull up the contact card from that screen and the options it gives you is much better. Maybe i should sms you a youtube link and see what your phone does with it, and then we'll see what the nexus or any droid does when it receive that same link.

umm, from my contact card, I can:
call
email
text
get directions to their house
b-day info pops up.

what else should i be able to do from a contact?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4

umm, from my contact card, I can:
call
email
text
get directions to their house
b-day info pops up.

what else should i be able to do from a contact?

Also note that whatever interface you are using will have a different one. The one in my SPB Mobile Shell- which automatically downloads the contact pictures from facebook, probably looks way nicer and more finger friendly than the stock contact cards on the Nexus One. I know for a fact it is way nicer than the ones on the G1.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by p-slim

damn salty i'm going to go ahead and say your an idiot. you obviously don't understand marketshare and you keep bringing it up. How long has Palm been around. That marketshare you're talking about isn't only comparing the the new palm os, its comparing palms in peoples hands in general, old palm and new palm. you act like android isn't the most rapidly growing os, it was even posted on the front of the ppcgeeks front page a couple of months back, isn't this a winmo website? i'm going to give you an example of marketshare your brain might be able to understand. If i create a flying car and the next flying car doesn't come out for 20 years, even if i fully agree that new flying car is better then mine, the fact that i've been out for 20 years will allow me to keep my marketshare forever. Now if i don't upgrade my flying car soon the new flying car will take over my marketshare. android has only been in the game a short while and they still sell their 1st ever android phone in stores, so how the hell can they be close to anyone in marketshare, but yet you see android commercials all the time. the fact that android is even as popular as it is shows winmo desperately needs a change to stay in the game.

you must not understand everything, sms feature is easier and more vibrant looking, web browsing is a better experience on any droid, contact card, mms, thousands of apps which are easier, gaming, you name it, its easier on droid, google maps, search feature, marketplace, you name it, its easier on droid. like i said the only advantage winmo has is slingbox and skyfire. androids memory management is better, i can keep going. and the things that aren't actually better, just look better with android. I use google even when i had winmo so everything that google incorporates for winmo is 10x better on the droid.

I'm an idiot for repeatedly proving that you don't know what the heck you're talking about? LOL, whatever man. No need to take that seriously because if I wait long enough I klnow you'll flip flop on that like you have everything else in this thread.

Again, for the morons who can't understand this- Windows Mobile user base GREW 5 TIMES as much as Androids in October of 2009. Do you understand that? Lert me say it again since you can't seem to grasp that- in the most recent numbers, which are from October of 2009- Android grew to it's all time high. In that same time frame- Windows Mobile added FIVE TIMES as many users as Android.

These are NEW users we're talking about, not the existing ones.

Man I actually feel sorry for you. You have continually made yourself look like a fool in this thread, and you have the nerve to call me an idiot. LOL!

[Deimoss]

Originally Posted by p-slim

damn salty i'm going to go ahead and say your an *EDIT*. SNIP i'm going to give you an example of marketshare your brain might be able to understand. If i create a flying car

You lost me at flying car but go on..

Originally Posted by p-slim

and the next flying car doesn't come out for 20 years, even if i fully agree that new flying car is better then mine, the fact that i've been out for 20 years will allow me to keep my marketshare forever. Now if i don't upgrade my flying car soon the new flying car will take over my marketshare.

Only that the Market wold collapse without competition? Or are you imagining a communist Nazi America, where you're the one and only developer of a flying car.. Sounds like an interesting movie plot, very sci-fi

Originally Posted by p-slim

but yet you see android commercials all the time. the fact that android is even as popular as it is shows winmo desperately needs a change to stay in the game.

This is all I have to say to this. *Warning Song Will Reside in your Head for a while*

[YouTube] Awesome WinPhone Commercial

Originally Posted by p-slim

you must not understand everything, sms feature is easier and more vibrant looking

I'll give you this one, Android supports more colors but as far as easier, HD2's Sense slider works very well for getting to SMS quickly and you could argue the Sense for WinMo has more "screens" dedicated with HTC Sense themed service i,e twitter, web (with updating bookmarks) settings tabs is awesome now, that's its been consolidated

Originally Posted by p-slim

web browsing is a better experience on any droid

One word. Flash big part of the Internet as we know it in this present day. Until Android gets flash its not better. I'm not just talking skyfire here, IE mobile supports you-tube natively aswell. Adobe plans to have full Flash 10.1 on Windows Phones shortly as well [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by p-slim

contact card, mms, thousands of apps which are easier

Contact Card - Manila Sense Contact Card check
MMS - Stock HD2 ROM will come with working carrier MMS
APPS- Windows Mobile has by far the largest application catalog, Just because they've been around longer does not make this not true, Some Apps designed for WM6.0 and 5.0 have they're quirks but im still amazed at some of they're versatility. Windows Mobile 6.5 apps now support a larger amount of screen resoltions, and compatibility such as finger friendly tools and kinetic scrolling thanks for Windows 6.5 kinetic engine"

Originally Posted by p-slim

gaming, you name it, its easier on droid

Show me game on the Android Marketplace that's better than running a home backup of an awesome Playstation Game?[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Google maps, search feature, marketplace, you name it, its easier on droid.

-Google Maps - HD2 with Digital Compass fast processing 1GHZ - Yea I think that'll do nicely, which way is north again?

Windows MarketPlace - I think yours is called Android Market or something childish like that

-You name it I can almost definitely find it better on the HD2

Originally Posted by p-slim

like i said the only advantage winmo has is slingbox and skyfire.

Once again, you're talking in extremes, watch here as the keyword is (only)

There are are so many things people will enjoy more an a business oriented device, i.e word, power point, pico projector which offers entertainment applications aswell such as full playstation emulation on the Expos (1ghz Snapdragon + a Projector and some bluetooth Controllers = Office Party.
music apps, Opn Market, alternative browsers/flash support, It's a wonderful world on Windows Phone

Originally Posted by p-slim

androids memory management is better, i can keep going. and the things that aren't actually better, just look better with android. I use Google even when i had winphone so everything that Google incorporates for winphone is 10x better on the droid.

Windows memory management got better in Windows Mobile 6.6 or 6.5.3, anyway, the official SDK is out and RTM'ed at Windows Mobile Build 23090

improved memory management was on the list somewhere, if you believe update reports which you seem to, because that new Nexus update magically fixed everyone's spotty NexusOne tmbile 3G coverage.

I still say the day the vast majority of people believe software and technology is absolute "magic" as Steve Jobs loves to say about the IPad, is the day humanity steps backwards in evolution and we digress into two separate but somewhat familiar species.

p.s this was one just one of pSlims comment posts, I took the liberty of observing

[gcianc]

i agree with both of you in that wm needs overhauling (see wp7) but also wm6.5 does not limit the average person buying a smartphone (in 2010+ more people will buy smartphones and do less with them then ever before except simply check facebook, email and basic browsing). HARDWARE (phones lack of cpu, program memory and internal storage) & CARRIERS limit smartphone users more than any phone OS does today.

remember carriers now force data plans on basic media phones... this means more dumb smartphone buyers

we all know WM6.x needs improving and wm6.5.3 missed the holiday deadline. none of this is particularly important long-term though, only makes for boring blogger fanboy debates.

Andoid is limited
WM6.x is limited
iPhone is limited (but easy for casuals)
Palm is limited (but easy for casuals)
Rim is now attracting casuals

we all see a pattern yet? marketshare is not a great indicator of anything either. iPhone might be the smallest marketshare (due to carrier & price restriction) in a few years yet the most profitable to carrier (att) and marketplace.

the better question is what will improve more substantially in late 2010 & 2011... android or windows phone?

you should hold off this conversation until next Monday when WP7 is said to be announced hopefully with some actual devices (although that seems more likely for summer)

Originally Posted by p-slim

Did someone just bring the dying palm OS into the conversation? I'm not even going to discuss them. Android will have them beat in marketshare soon and that will be a travesty. The only way winmo will succeed is if they completely redo their os'. I know you joined the conversation late but salty was saying winmo 6.5 is just as functional as the newer next gen OS's currently out. Yeah 6.5 can do the samethings even more but the average things every OS does everything 10x easier and in less steps