Who plans to go HD2?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jimecm

yeah but that screen is big enough where you dont really need a keyboard

The size of it doesn't matter. I just need a keyboard. They have laptops with touch screens too, but without a keyboard, forget it. I have to actually feel the keys on my fingers. I can type much faster, and much more accurately with a real keyboard than with a virtual one. and it has little to do with the size. Honestly, the screen size on the HDS is only what- a fraction of an inch bigger than the one on the Touch Pro 2, right? So I think you guys are making way too much out of the size making it somehow work without a keyboard.

There is no way I would give up the keyboard on my Touch Pro 2, and I can't imagine a fraction of an inch bigger screen changing that.

[Mr.KLeen]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The size of it doesn't matter. I just need a keyboard. They have laptops with touch screens too, but without a keyboard, forget it. I have to actually feel the keys on my fingers. I can type much faster, and much more accurately with a real keyboard than with a virtual one. and it has little to do with the size. Honestly, the screen size on the HDS is only what- a fraction of an inch bigger than the one on the Touch Pro 2, right? So I think you guys are making way too much out of the size making it somehow work without a keyboard.

There is no way I would give up the keyboard on my Touch Pro 2, and I can't imagine a fraction of an inch bigger screen changing that.

true. but i dont text or email that much so i dont need it. depends what u need it for huh

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jimecm

true. but i dont text or email that much so i dont need it. depends what u need it for huh

Yeah I text way more than I actually talk, and I email a lot too. I also facebook, post on message boards, and even type word docs and spreadsheets. So yeah, when the screen on my phone lights up for any reason, most of the time my keyboard gets slid out too.

[mikeszekely]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Yeah I text way more than I actually talk, and I email a lot too. I also facebook, post on message boards, and even type word docs and spreadsheets. So yeah, when the screen on my phone lights up for any reason, most of the time my keyboard gets slid out too.

Likewise. Actually, these are things I wanted to do more of on my Omnia, but it was too much of a chore with the lousy screen on it. The on-screen keyboard on the TP2 is a huge improvement for doing little things, but I prefer the hardware keyboard.

features you want like an hd2 variant with a physical keyboard or a worthy android phone ala nexus on sprint.

I like HTC hardware, and I like Sense as a natural evolution of TouchFLO, but I'd still rather have WinMo underneath than Android.

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by mikeszekely

Likewise. Actually, these are things I wanted to do more of on my Omnia, but it was too much of a chore with the lousy screen on it. The on-screen keyboard on the TP2 is a huge improvement for doing little things, but I prefer the hardware keyboard.


I like HTC hardware, and I like Sense as a natural evolution of TouchFLO, but I'd still rather have WinMo underneath than Android.

WHY???? It's slower, OLD and less development for it

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

WHY???? It's slower, OLD and less development for it

Windows Mobile is not old. WM6.5 has not even been fully rolled out yet. So yes, PPC 2002 might be old, but WM6.5 is pretty freaking new, lol.

[brownhornet]

Please... the only thing new about 6.5 is the honeycomb menu. Take away manila and you have the same ol winmo from the mogul. I think its pretty much a concensus that hardly anything has been done to upgrade it other than to lay interfaces over the top of it to make it look pretty.

[mikeszekely]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

WHY???? It's slower, OLD and less development for it

How fast a given WinMo device is versus a given Android device is largely dependent on the hardware running it. Yeah, an older Qualcomm processor is going to drag compared to a Snapdragon. Early preview/review suggest that the HD2 is screaming fast because it has a Snapdragon. And either way, once I disabled push internet, I find my TP2 compares favorably to my friend's Droid.

And yes, WinMo is old. WinMo 6.0/6.1 was a coat of paint over WinMo 5's guts, and 6.5 is pretty much a tide-me-over update until 7 comes out. Despite its age, software like TouchFLO does a really good job of hiding WinMo's aging guts under a UI that can hang with any other modern smarphone OS.

Android is brand new. So what's its excuse for its bare-bones presentation of white font on black menus and a grid of icons that look ripped for a five-year-old Linux distro? Without a slick UI like Sense, Android looks as old as WinMo is.

As for development, the Windows Phone Marketplace is indeed lacking compared to the Android Marketplace. But that's where WinMo's biggest advantage really shines: it's an open platform. Pretty much anything I've wanted WinMo to do, I've been able to find an app for it with a quick Google search, including stuff that comes on Android like Google Maps.

[1999TL]

Originally Posted by mikeszekely

As for development, the Windows Phone Marketplace is indeed lacking compared to the Android Marketplace. But that's where WinMo's biggest advantage really shines: it's an open platform. Pretty much anything I've wanted WinMo to do, I've been able to find an app for it with a quick Google search, including stuff that comes on Android like Google Maps.

This is what really bug me about Microsoft. They only make a few apps to make their very own platform better. However, their Facebook application is HORRIBLE. There are too man areas where functionality is seriously lacking, such as being able to view all comments. Considering Facebook is the unquestioned leade in social networking, you would think that Microsoft would update their Facebook application. The app's shortcomings don't really bother me. What bother's me is that Windows Mobile is losing developers left and right to the Iphone and Android. Hell if Microsoft does not even want to spend time on their app for their OWN platform, what's that telling consumers and developers? And what's in store for the future?

I forgot to add that a lacking FB app from MSFT is compounded with a clumsy browsing experience via Internet Explorer on Facebook.com. If you guys have tried it, you can't even get the whole screen.

I'll add some screen shots.
Screen 1 & 2 are on the regular Facebook.com site. I had to open the phone to Landscape just so that I could access the scroll bars. I could not even move left and right. What you see in Screen 2 is basically all I could even access.

Then I went to Touch.facebook.com This site works fine for touch phones on Opera. Observe how it looks for IE. What a joke.

AB33, I would not consider the HD2 the same phone by any means. Double the processing power with a more efficient power consumption....NOT the same

[1999TL]

Originally Posted by rorytmeadows

But if you paid attention to the discussion, my original point is that no one could report any studies because they don't exist (non-partisan). And case studies or a friend's personal experience really doesn't count for proof.

You are right. I didn't fully read every detail of the thread when I started from the first post the other night. You obviously know what you are talking about. I'm just saying you are the one who corrected my sentence....which is still true. You applied my sentence into your own realm of thinking. I'll leave it at that.

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

The size of it doesn't matter. I just need a keyboard. They have laptops with touch screens too, but without a keyboard, forget it. I have to actually feel the keys on my fingers. I can type much faster, and much more accurately with a real keyboard than with a virtual one. and it has little to do with the size. Honestly, the screen size on the HDS is only what- a fraction of an inch bigger than the one on the Touch Pro 2, right? So I think you guys are making way too much out of the size making it somehow work without a keyboard.

There is no way I would give up the keyboard on my Touch Pro 2, and I can't imagine a fraction of an inch bigger screen changing that.

AMEN! I just got back from the gym. Streaming music via bluetooth and then trying to reply back to a text that you receive is painfully slow. I was wishing for more ram and a faster processor. Then I stopped and remembered how I felt when I upgraded from the Touch Pro I. I thought the TP2 was the best phone ever. I'll never be happy with he HD LEO. I need those specs with a hard keyboard. Texting without looking cannot be under-rated.